The Offroad Rims & Tyres Thread

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 31st March 2009, 17:07

Dear Ym-enjn (Jaipur BHPian) - I am busy now, will reply to you by tomorrow. Please do not purchase tyres till then.

Dear Shahnawaz - ignorance is bliss applies to most countries. However in the West, the regulations are so sringent that trash is kept out by law. Believe me, I know what all we go through. You have a unique Gypsy. See what all you went through to get exactly what you wanted inside the axle. And please count how many people actually helped you? You will get the answer yourself.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

trammway · 31st March 2009, 18:11

I’m planning for buying set of Jeep Rims (steel) for offroad purposes.

Is the below rims better than Gypsy 15” rim?

The Offroad Rims & Tyres Thread-wheels.jpg

Secondly let me know if I wanted to go for 16” rim which one is the best for Mahindra Classic (No Alloy suggestions)

whitemm550 · 31st March 2009, 19:02

hi mate, about using the brute 4x4 on your vehicle, i would suggest go ahead, as i have already used them on my MM550 during the Coorg great escape with fantastic grip and success.. i rate them highly, very highly, even though i am a dealer for Ceat tyres for whole of Goa

khan_sultan · 31st March 2009, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

...Use JK Brute 215.75R15 or MRF 215/75R15....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ym-enjn

... I did research on Brute, there are two sub categories. 1 is Brute and other is Brute 4x4 and found they are officially recommended by JKtyre site for Classic and similar for offroad.....

Hi Mr. Khan see this:

I found this here:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-of...ape-goa-2.html

But still would like to hear Behram on this.. EDIT: just did above.

Here are pics from JK Tyre site:
JK Tyre,Tyres,Passenger Car Tyres,LCV Tyres,Truck Tyres,Bus Tyres

Quote:

Originally Posted by randeep04

... They performed really well in the Classic ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitemm550

hi mate, about using the brute 4x4 on your vehicle, i would suggest go ahead, as i have already used them on my MM550 during the Coorg great escape with fantastic grip and success.. i rate them highly, very highly, even though i am a dealer for Ceat tyres for whole of Goa

That's really surprising. One of my friends here in bangalore has JK Brute 4x4 on his MM540 and he really 'curses' the tyres. (and they are very new & less used) I have seen them struggle on slightest sight of slush. Infact he is so pissed with these tyres that he is thiking of buyiong a new 'proper' off-road tyre set.

Now am wondering what could the issue be.!!!

ex670c · 1st April 2009, 13:43

Hi Guys,

Since I don't know any Tyre Dealers who wear "Tight Tees and Earrings"

I would suggest the following for a CJ3B
1) 7.00X16 NDMS
2) Maxxis Trepador 235-75-15
3) BFG AT/KA 235-75-15.

From my experience 235-75-15 (29") is the ideal size for a CJ3B/CJ340/CL340, Without affecting the turning radius and wheel down force and weight.

Infact the export model CJ340/CL340 were shod with 10R15 (255-70-15) General Grabber/Goodyear AT or 7.50X16 Firestone MT.

The American military export CJ3B (M606) were fitted with 7.00X16 NDCC on a 4.27:1 diff-ratio.

For a Mahindra Great Escape, the "Fancy Stuff" will not be required....hell even 4WD is not required

.

Regards,

Arka

khan_sultan · 1st April 2009, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ym-enjn

....

Khan on your thread of spoa there is a mention on Brute 4x4, infact someone saying not to sell them?

The SPoA Project - page 3

...

Yes, that's true. What he meant was that since they (brute 4x4 tyres) don't perform well on OTR's don't sell them but use them as 2nd set for Highway/Bad Road use. My friend has bought an extra set of wheels to put in proper A/T or M/T tyres that will be used only for OTR's.

Kandisa · 1st April 2009, 16:07

HI trammway,
what rims are these and how wide they are? I guess the advantage with the gypsy rim is it is cheap and can comfotably handle tyre of 235 width. Barring alloys and the OE rims of the 540's, i think the only available option in 16 inch will be the army rims. Don't know whether they will be suitable for classic.
-regards,

Ym-enjn · 1st April 2009, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by khan_sultan

Yes, that's true. What he meant was that since they (brute 4x4 tyres) don't perform well on OTR's don't sell them but use them as 2nd set for Highway/Bad Road use. My friend has bought an extra set of wheels to put in proper A/T or M/T tyres that will be used only for OTR's.

My personal favorites are Goodyear Wrangler M/T R. But I do not have any idea about its price, availability or suitability to my Jeep. And also that everyone suggested not to go for MT as I will do highways from Jaipur to NCR for OTR.

But keeping two set of rims and tyres is good idea.

PS: OTR is Off the Road- right?

Baburajs · 1st April 2009, 18:22

I have CJ 340 with stock steel rims. Have 235/75/R15 tyres on them. But these are hitting the leaf springs which I turn to the right or left extremes. Have to go a negative offset rims. Which one should I go. Will gypsy wheels suffice. I dont have the manna to go for Alloys now. Please suggest.

khan_sultan · 1st April 2009, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baburajs

I have CJ 340 with stock steel rims. Have 235/75/R15 tyres on them. But these are hitting the leaf springs which I turn to the right or left extremes. .... Will gypsy wheels suffice... .

I doubt if the gypsy wheels will serve the purpose. I had 235/75/15 on stock gypsy rims and they used to touch the leafs at L/R extremes.

Baburajs · 1st April 2009, 19:34

Then can some one here throw light on what can be done to solve this issue. I am really struggling with the problem that my turning radius is more than that of a TATA BUS without PS

Tusker4x4 · 1st April 2009, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ym-enjn

PS: OTR is Off the Road- right?

Correct is simple

MT is good romijee has them on pili begum. Try the Geolander A/t also

DesertKing · 1st April 2009, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baburajs

Then can some one here throw light on what can be done to solve this issue. I am really struggling with the problem that my turning radius is more than that of a TATA BUS without PS

PS is no way going to help you to decrease the turning radius, PS is just to make you puting less effort to turn the steering wheel. You need to increase the track and the easiest way to put the wheel which has nagative offset (i.e. the PCD plate should be not in the center, instead a bit in inner side).

Brutus · 1st April 2009, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

I would suggest the following for a CJ3B
1) 7.00X16 NDMS

The American military export CJ3B (M606) were fitted with 7.00X16 NDCC on a 4.27:1 diff-ratio.

Arka

Ditto

,
and if you were able to locate em, do let me know too

Alfa_Kilo · 1st April 2009, 23:26

The orignal tyre size for the 340 is F78-15, which is close to 205/75R15 metric. You may want to change your axle ratios if you go in for substantially larger tyres.

31st March 2009, 17:07	#481
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,354 Times	Dear Ym-enjn (Jaipur BHPian) - I am busy now, will reply to you by tomorrow. Please do not purchase tyres till then. Dear Shahnawaz - ignorance is bliss applies to most countries. However in the West, the regulations are so sringent that trash is kept out by law. Believe me, I know what all we go through. You have a unique Gypsy. See what all you went through to get exactly what you wanted inside the axle. And please count how many people actually helped you? You will get the answer yourself. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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31st March 2009, 18:11	#482
trammway Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bridgewater USA Posts: 1,150 Thanked: 475 Times View My Garage	I’m planning for buying set of Jeep Rims (steel) for offroad purposes. Is the below rims better than Gypsy 15” rim? Secondly let me know if I wanted to go for 16” rim which one is the best for Mahindra Classic (No Alloy suggestions) Last edited by trammway : 31st March 2009 at 18:14.
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31st March 2009, 19:02	#483
whitemm550 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Margao goa Posts: 368 Thanked: 108 Times	hi mate, about using the brute 4x4 on your vehicle, i would suggest go ahead, as i have already used them on my MM550 during the Coorg great escape with fantastic grip and success.. i rate them highly, very highly, even though i am a dealer for Ceat tyres for whole of Goa
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1st April 2009, 13:43	#485
ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 1,939 Times View My Garage	Fancy Stuff Hi Guys, Since I don't know any Tyre Dealers who wear "Tight Tees and Earrings" I would suggest the following for a CJ3B 1) 7.00X16 NDMS 2) Maxxis Trepador 235-75-15 3) BFG AT/KA 235-75-15. From my experience 235-75-15 (29") is the ideal size for a CJ3B/CJ340/CL340, Without affecting the turning radius and wheel down force and weight. Infact the export model CJ340/CL340 were shod with 10R15 (255-70-15) General Grabber/Goodyear AT or 7.50X16 Firestone MT. The American military export CJ3B (M606) were fitted with 7.00X16 NDCC on a 4.27:1 diff-ratio. For a Mahindra Great Escape, the "Fancy Stuff" will not be required....hell even 4WD is not required . Regards, Arka
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Kandisa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Noida Posts: 1,118 Thanked: 559 Times View My Garage	HI trammway, what rims are these and how wide they are? I guess the advantage with the gypsy rim is it is cheap and can comfotably handle tyre of 235 width. Barring alloys and the OE rims of the 540's, i think the only available option in 16 inch will be the army rims. Don't know whether they will be suitable for classic. -regards,
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1st April 2009, 18:22	#489
Baburajs BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 265 Thanked: 14 Times	I have CJ 340 with stock steel rims. Have 235/75/R15 tyres on them. But these are hitting the leaf springs which I turn to the right or left extremes. Have to go a negative offset rims. Which one should I go. Will gypsy wheels suffice. I dont have the manna to go for Alloys now. Please suggest.
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1st April 2009, 19:34	#491
Baburajs BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 265 Thanked: 14 Times	Then can some one here throw light on what can be done to solve this issue. I am really struggling with the problem that my turning radius is more than that of a TATA BUS without PS
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1st April 2009, 23:26	#495
Alfa_Kilo BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jaipur Posts: 328 Thanked: 13 Times	The orignal tyre size for the 340 is F78-15, which is close to 205/75R15 metric. You may want to change your axle ratios if you go in for substantially larger tyres.
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