Trax Gurkha Test Drive on Horrible roads and Off-road too

anupmathur · 22nd November 2007, 21:43

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Originally Posted by rrnsss

But with a BSIII there is so much electronics below the snorkel line, the snorkel is a moot point. The electronics will short out long before the engine starts taking water.

That is the case even with the Humvee, then! The Electronics is supposed to be all sealed up well.
And a snorkel is not only for fording streams but also because the dust ingress (into the air filter) with a snorkel is dramatically reduced in dusty terrain.

Torqy · 23rd November 2007, 14:26

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Originally Posted by rrnsss

the gurkha looks BEAUTIFUL. Much better than mine. The power steering problem is a common one. It needs to be adjusted so that it is a bit harder to turn at low speeds ( just a bit ) but will give a stable feel at high speeds.

I face the same power steering problem with my Bolero.
Is there a solution and who in Bangalore can do it?

-- Torqy

anupmathur · 23rd November 2007, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Torqy

I face the same power steering problem with my Bolero.
Is there a solution and who in Bangalore can do it?

-- Torqy

I would suggest M&M. Ask the service centre to reduce the assist. There usually is a single screw adjustment.

Torqy · 23rd November 2007, 22:01

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

I would suggest M&M. Ask the service centre to reduce the assist. There usually is a single screw adjustment.

Thanks Anup.
I'm gonna try that in the next service.

DirtyDan · 24th November 2007, 02:21

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

That is the case even with the Humvee, then! The Electronics is supposed to be all sealed up well.
And a snorkel is not only for fording streams but also because the dust ingress (into the air filter) with a snorkel is dramatically reduced in dusty terrain.

The U.S. Army Humvee has sealed electronics. I have seen it ford streams with water up to the windshield. I do not know about the H2 civilian "wannabe" (want to be).

But the other thing about the humvee, it ain't light. Could be the AWD, weight distribution, electronic slip sensors and tires are so good it just does not matter in this case.

Traxter · 24th November 2007, 18:49

Missed this thread because of I was on the road...

As usual, Nice review and nice pictures Samurai!

Some comments compared to my Trax 4WD (which is not called Gamma for whatever reason) that was delivered about 6 months back ( I had given up waiting for Gurkha)..

The body looks like someone hammered it here and there to bring to shape/form instead of using machine press - is the effect of black color and picture? My white one looks well pressed..
The seats and interiors are as rrnss pointed out, about 10 years ahead of mine and seems Force is entering the 80s at l(e)ast..Hope it is not just the lighter color that makes it look better.
Even my manual steering is a bit vague over 70 but I attributed it to my lack of experience in driving and normally drive under. The vehicle is fun to drive, despite its size. I got used to the manual version.
The gear levers, dials/console are exactly the same, no improvement. Of course I dont have AC.
Pleasantly surprised to hear from Samurai the ride quality is better than his GV. I have not had a chance to compare with higher quality vehicles on same roads, so this is nice to hear
The wheel caps are nicer

How noisy is the engine (BSIII)? Mine the BSII is a factory and I should throw away the ICE. I am told it gets smoother after first oil change, waiting for that to happen since it is run about 6500km now. May be we only get used to it.

supercars · 26th November 2007, 00:11

Thanks for the write - up once again and the Trax has gone out of the window of my buying opportunities.

Victa_OR_Bolero · 26th November 2007, 19:56

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Originally Posted by rrnsss

samurai > actually you can get it with a/c , p/s and diff locks. Yes no snorkel. You are right.

But with a BSIII there is so much electronics below the snorkel line, the snorkel is a moot point. The electronics will short out long before the engine starts taking water.

If this is the case then why do pictures of the new Gurkha Black Beauty (soft top 2005 with a BSIII engine - TD2600 FTI Direct Injection Turbocharged and Intercooled unit with EGR n Oxycat)that I have seen in the brochure show a Gurkha fording thro' a rivulet with water reaching upto the top level of the wheel arches...

I dont know how to attach pictures to this message so if someone is interested to see the picture..please tell me how to do it..

Rudra Sen · 26th November 2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Victa_OR_Bolero

I dont know how to attach pictures to this message so if someone is interested to see the picture..please tell me how to do it..

Read this for details.

Samurai · 26th November 2007, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Victa_OR_Bolero

If this is the case then why do pictures of the new Gurkha Black Beauty (soft top 2005 with a BSIII engine - TD2600 FTI Direct Injection Turbocharged and Intercooled unit with EGR n Oxycat)that I have seen in the brochure show a Gurkha fording thro' a rivulet with water reaching upto the top level of the wheel arches...

Is this the one? template(force)1

anupmathur · 26th November 2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Victa_OR_Bolero

with water reaching upto the top level of the wheel arches...

I don't think so. Top of the wheel arches is what he says.

Victa_OR_Bolero · 26th November 2007, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Rudra Sen

Read this for details.

Thanks Rudra Sen,

Here is the image of the New Gurkha Black Beauty with a BSIII engine fording a rivulet...

Samurai · 26th November 2007, 21:36

It is from the same TD as the eariler image. The driver is Adil Darukhanawala, but I don't think it is the 2005 BSIII engine. I have read this review, need to find the link.

4x4addict · 26th November 2007, 21:57

I actually prefer the round headlights to the square ones. Gives it the classic G-wagen look.

Victa_OR_Bolero · 26th November 2007, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Samurai

It is from the same TD as the eariler image. The driver is Adil Darukhanawala, but I don't think it is the 2005 BSIII engine. I have read this review, need to find the link.

I have tried to post relevant text from the scanned page from the brochure... I am sorry as I dont remember the link to it .... was googling one day for the Gurkha and came by it....you are right about the driver / story being written by Adil Jai Darukhanawala

It clearly states that is a BSIII, hope the pic I post shows the text....fingers crossed....

Sorry.. imageshack.. is too busy .... will try again tomorrow

24th November 2007, 18:49	#66
Traxter BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Interior Karnataka Posts: 94 Thanked: 2 Times	Missed this thread because of I was on the road... As usual, Nice review and nice pictures Samurai! Some comments compared to my Trax 4WD (which is not called Gamma for whatever reason) that was delivered about 6 months back ( I had given up waiting for Gurkha).. The body looks like someone hammered it here and there to bring to shape/form instead of using machine press - is the effect of black color and picture? My white one looks well pressed.. The seats and interiors are as rrnss pointed out, about 10 years ahead of mine and seems Force is entering the 80s at l(e)ast..Hope it is not just the lighter color that makes it look better. Even my manual steering is a bit vague over 70 but I attributed it to my lack of experience in driving and normally drive under. The vehicle is fun to drive, despite its size. I got used to the manual version. The gear levers, dials/console are exactly the same, no improvement. Of course I dont have AC. Pleasantly surprised to hear from Samurai the ride quality is better than his GV. I have not had a chance to compare with higher quality vehicles on same roads, so this is nice to hear The wheel caps are nicer How noisy is the engine (BSIII)? Mine the BSII is a factory and I should throw away the ICE. I am told it gets smoother after first oil change, waiting for that to happen since it is run about 6500km now. May be we only get used to it.
	() Thanks

26th November 2007, 00:11	#67
supercars BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 484 Thanked: 27 Times	Thanks for the write - up once again and the Trax has gone out of the window of my buying opportunities.
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26th November 2007, 21:36	#73
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,831 Thanked: 45,607 Times View My Garage	It is from the same TD as the eariler image. The driver is Adil Darukhanawala, but I don't think it is the 2005 BSIII engine. I have read this review, need to find the link.
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26th November 2007, 21:57	#74
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,532 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	I actually prefer the round headlights to the square ones. Gives it the classic G-wagen look.
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