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Old 16th August 2019, 11:26   #106
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What looks like the back plate of a drum is actually a splash shield.

In the picture one can clearly make out the caliper pin and the piston housing.

AC - AFAIK, the internals were by Sanden, the compressor by Denso.

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Sorry my bad about the drum brakes in front. I checked back too. And it indeed appears that all Gypsys had discs up front. The rest of the facts I posted are correct. And the brake boosters only came in with the King in 1995ish as stated.
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From your pics I can see this is an old MG410 970cc Narrow Track Gypsy. This had both soft top and hard
Top versions. It also came with 4WD as standard and with AISIN Free Wheeling Hubs in front with 4WD lock mechanism. It had a plain bonnet. 4 speed gearbox. Plus 4WD transfer case.
And drum brakes in front and rear. The radiator had a jeep like 10 'slat vertical grille.

This was produced between 1985-1990-92 ish at which time they introduced the MG410W in which they had increased the track width a bit.
This also had the same F10A 970cc engine. Same engine basically as the Maruti 1000. These 970 cc engines were only able to develop around 45Bhp power. This variant also came in soft top and hard top options and 4WD as standard and had the AISIN free wheeling hubs in front with the 4WD lock mechanism. 4 Speed gearbox. Plus 4WD Transfer case. Same flat bonnet and 10 vertical slat radiator grille. Same drum brakes front and rear.

Then in 1995 they introduced the Carburetted G13BA engine 1.3 litre - same as the Maruti Esteem. This was the very first Gypsy King MG413W. This developed 65BHP. 5 speed gearbox and 4WD transfer case.
This Gypsy model did have soft top and hard top options but they dispensed with the AISIN free wheeling hubs in a bid to increase fuel efficiency by a few kmpl.
This is where I do believe they introduced front disc brakes and brake booster for the vehicle to stop better with the increased power engine. And the bonnet had a bulge along with horizontal front plastic slats on the radiator grille.

In the year 2000 they introduced the Gypsy King MPFi version. G13BB engine. MG413W. 5 Speed gearbox and 4WD transfer case. And this was a 16 valve engine. This came with the Catalytic Converter etc because of the emission norms. This developed 83 BHP. This also came in both soft top and hard top options and here also they had knocked off the AiSIN free wheeling hubs. This version also had the brake booster and disc brakes in front and the bulgey bonnet and the horizontal radiator plastic grille.

Inside this variant there were two different types of Exhaust Manifolds and therefore differently shaped heat shield covers.

The first type was in operation from 2000-2010 and the second type 2010 onwards. Basically in keeping with differing emission norms.

I am sure that if you look around some more you will find a decent Gypsy King MPFi model which develops 83 BHP and consequently is far more fun to own and drive.

I would suggest a hard top simply for lockable security and efficiency of AC, should you plan on fitting one.

There is however a greatly different feeling of pleasure in owning a soft top - one of the things being that it is much lighter in feel and handling.

I have had an AC in my old hardtop MG410W but believe me when the AC was on, the vehicle was very sluggish and drank fuel.

In an MPFi version the AC related sluggishness will be a bit less but it will still drink fuel.

I am not an advocate of Power Steering in a Gypsy simply because the Electric Power Steering loses feel at higher speeds and the Gypsy because of its height and lightness can become a little unstable at higher speeds and in cases of this nature, power steering is more a bane than a boon.

But the Gypsy is a brilliant 'fun' vehicle to have and own and drive because somehow as its own ad tagline used to say, 'There's a Gypsy
In Everyone' ...it is truly a lovely toy to have as your second or third vehicle.

If there is any other info you need please ask.

And for repairs and service if in Bangalore you can consider Ranjith of RAC Garage- I send my Gypsy there and am happy with their work.
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The 410 came with disc brakes in front. (At least mine did!) No servo though.
The van had drums in front.

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Dear Shankar and Sutripta,
Thanks for detailed inputs breaking it down in utmost detail.

I guess its not only the engine which is a major upgrade in the MPFI but so is the brakes, the wider track etc making the 413w MPFI superior to the 410.

My intent is to keep the car for a minimum 5 years and travel to the less travelled places.

Therefore dropping the 410 and continuing to look for a good 413w.

I have shortlisted a few will post about them once i speak to the sellers.

Came across this '00 413w MPFI sporting a teambhp stickers.

i guess belongs to a bhpian, any one aware?
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Here is another input in ref the Gypsy
oils and fluids and grades and quantities.
For anyone here who is servicing or restoring their Gypsys.
I use it as my guide.
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Spent a good part of the morning on MG road fixing a timing belt that sheared part of its teeth on ironically the MG410.

Car was running fine and just cutout on the run. Managed to pull it to the side, did some trouble shooting and diagnosed it as either being an electrical issue or a fuel problem. Couldn't find any loose wires so removed the fuel pipe to the carb and cranked. Nothing came out so feeling really pleased with myself to have identified the issue called my mechanic who came down pronto. We first bypassed an aux inline UCAL solenoid pump (which had also packed up), put some fuel into the carb and were confident of the car starting, cranked, and got zip from the mechanical fuel pump.

Now what? We both looked at each other and debated if we tow or flatbed the Gypsy to the garage, when he decided to open the distributor cap. I thought he was looking for an ignition issue, but when we cranked the engine and the shaft didn't rotate I was zapped when he said it was a problem with the timing belt.

Luckily the Gypsy is easy to work on so managed to remove the fan shroud, fan, pulleys, etc. to access the damn timing belt with traffic not giving an inch. Removed the cover to find the belt intact but fine shavings of the belt all over the place. Removed the belt and found a 4" section of the belt had no teeth!!!

went to JC road, got the parts and put it back together in 30Spent a good part of the morning on MG road fixing a timing belt that sheared part of its teeth (the old girl needs dentures).

Car was running fine and just cutout on the run. Managed to pull it to the side. Did some trouble shooting and diagnosed it as either an electrical issue or fuel. Couldn't find any loose wires so removed the fuel pipe to the carb and cranked. Got no fuel so feeling happy that I had found the issue called my mechanic who came down. We bypassed an aux inline ucal electric pump and were confident of the car starting, but still no fuel from the mechanical fuel pump.

He opened the distributor cap and cranked and when the spindle didn't rotate knew it was the timing belt.

Luckily the Gypsy is easy to work on so managed to remove the fan shroud, fan, pulleys, etc. To access the damn timing belt. Removed the cover to find fine shavings of belt all over the place. A section of the belt had no teeth!!!

My saviour went to JC road, got the parts and we put it back together in 30 mins. All engine noises from the car have disappeared, and I only have to fiddle with the timing to get it absolutely right.

Thank God for efficient FNG mechanics who can diagnose issues like this based on intuition and experience.

I have learnt my lesson from this which is not to depend on any information given by the previous owner, and be proactive change out critical components before they bite you in the butt.
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Spent a good part of the morning on MG road fixing a timing belt that sheared part of its teeth on ironically the MG410.


Car was running fine and just cutout on the run.

I have learnt my lesson from this which is not to depend on any information given by the previous owner, and be proactive change out critical components before they bite you in the butt.

Ayyo Raaama!
Man!
I didnt turn up your house today.
Went to park in the apartment visitor parking instead of barging into your house.
I brought the Yeti but had to go to Automobile Association for a chip card.
Now, hope the red gypsy is back on the road?
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Ayyo Raaama!
Man!
I didnt turn up your house today.
Went to park in the apartment visitor parking instead of barging into your house.
I brought the Yeti but had to go to Automobile Association for a chip card.
Now, hope the red gypsy is back on the road?
I drove it home from MG road and parked it quietly in its spot to let it recover from the ordeal. Using the other car for now.
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I drove it home from MG road and parked it quietly in its spot to let it recover from the ordeal. Using the other car for now.

I wanted to make you drive the old Yeti to see how it shapes up against your Linea.
But we ' ll do fhat one day soon.

Or we'll waddle up to Ooty Club together sometime...
In the Gypsys!
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