CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??

o.D · 15th April 2011, 16:46

Have followed your previous restorations and know sure this too is going to only be the best of fit and finish. came across this site ICON and thought it might give you more ideas for a rollcage and mods. It reminded me of Jaggu's ride and setup as soon as I saw it.

Happy Jeeping!

fazalaliadil · 9th May 2011, 11:45

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Originally Posted by o.D

Have followed your previous restorations and know sure this too is going to only be the best of fit and finish. came across this site ICON and thought it might give you more ideas for a rollcage and mods. It reminded me of Jaggu's ride and setup as soon as I saw it.

Happy Jeeping!

o.D,
Thanks. Yes I did see the ICON's 3B and I am planning the roll cage not exactly but on similar lines.

Meanwhile, as works on a completely new fabricated body continue, I just finished designing the spare bracket and the tail lamps (Tatra) have been incorporated in the same position as the drawing here.
Regards,

Tejas@perioimpl · 9th May 2011, 12:46

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

o.D,
I just finished designing the spare bracket and the tail lamps (Tatra) have been incorporated in the same position as the drawing here.
Regards,

Can you post pics of the Tatra tail lamps please?

fazalaliadil · 9th May 2011, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Can you post pics of the Tatra tail lamps please?

Tejas,
There you go.
These are 30% bigger than the Lumax tail lamps, solid aluminum construction, water proof sealed.
Regards,

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Tejas@perioimpl · 9th May 2011, 13:45

Thank you.

So, these have the stop and parking lights only?

What is the light at the side? What are you doing for turn indicators?

fazalaliadil · 9th May 2011, 13:52

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Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Thank you.

So, these have the stop and parking lights only?

What is the light at the side? What are you doing for turn indicators?

That is the transparent bottom for the number plate.
Plan to use the top lamp for park and brake and the bottom for turn, as the transparent will be embedded inside the body anyways.

mashmash · 17th May 2011, 13:48

Lovely thread. Read right from the start.

Little OT: Reminded me of a poor little jeep very close to my home left to die. Wish I had the funds to put life into it. Pic of jeep and its engine lying separated. Recognize the jeep? Looks done up once.

fazalaliadil · 18th May 2011, 22:53

Finally the 16 gauge CR shell started to stitch together, like a jigsaw puzzle falling into place.

With the engine, gearbox, differentials, chassis etc. swapped and on the cards now are seats, roll bar, rims, tyres, top etc. etc.

Ironically, the bonnet, grille, windshield are the only parts surviving on the CJ 340 I had.

A preview into the wip.

Regards,

Underbelly, notice the protusion in the rear tyre wells for larger bucket seats, and it will not mess in articulation.

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Firewall redesigned to accommodate the XD3P.

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Notice the recess for seats and (missing) tailgate.

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This fire wall scrapped to make way... (the black firewall in the back ground is the old shell)

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for this one finalized and fixed.

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This emboss is for the proposed hood (Bolero door) hinges...a la, GTO's Classic.

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The tail, now without a gate.

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The humble craftsman, Sharfu bhai. It is due to veterans like him and Janaiah and few others in different Jeep trades, Hyderabad still churns out Jeeps...year after year. May god bless these elders.

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Jaggu · 18th May 2011, 23:13

Superb craftsmanship Fazal saab. Really loved the body work and really fast i say! Can you do something to make the rain channel under the hood hinge area tapper to either side, should help avoid the perennial rust in CJ's.

DKG · 19th May 2011, 08:11

The tub looks great ! True these workers are blessed with an amazing skill. The finish is almost like the factory pressings. Why did you opt to seal the tail gate?

fazalaliadil · 19th May 2011, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Superb craftsmanship Fazal saab. Really loved the body work and really fast i say! Can you do something to make the rain channel under the hood hinge area tapper to either side, should help avoid the perennial rust in CJ's.

Jaggu,

Yes, I too am impressed with the quality of fabrication, all except the bending of sheet metal is hand crafted. When I watch a plain sheet of metal transform into a 'machine made' like body panel, I am amazed at the skill of this soft spoken, unassuming gentleman.

It would be two weeks back the shell would be complete and the Jeep out of this place, but for the 1 week marriage of his grand daughter he had to attend in Bhopal (Out Of) and another week of his helpers not reporting for work.

Can you kindly elaborate on the rain channel, as one already exists marked in red in below 1st pic.

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Originally Posted by DKG

The tub looks great ! True these workers are blessed with an amazing skill. The finish is almost like the factory pressings. Why did you opt to seal the tail gate?

Deepak,

Decided to exclude the tail gate as it is a perennial rattler in sometime, especially with a big spare hanging on it, no matter what you do.

The rear seat is front facing and can be easily accessed from the front, rather than the tail gate entry. The rear is not in use as frequently.

Proposed is a tyre bracket as in the preceding post which I want fixed and not the hinge type, as this 340 is being built with off roading in mind, hence rattles and loosening of parts, I want to minimize.

Lastly, the larger Tatra tail lamps, planned them recessed at higher points to meet the 'closer to eye level', it would not be possible with an open- able tail gate, due to their size.
Regards,

The 'upwards C' water channel marked in red, which finshes off in an L at the sides(in green).

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Tail gate and tail lamp position, before....

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after.

This is an important part..the "Bolero engine mounting bracket" marked in red arrow.
There are two ways to mount an XD3P on to the chassis mounts, the holes marked in green also can take the mounts without this bracket.

The advantages of this bracket are,
1. It can take bigger heavy duty rubbers, thus reduce vibrations and last longer.

2. It is positioned more in the center of the engine, mounting an engine on this bracket means its backward lean and weight will not fall on the GB and its cross member.

3. They are a direct fit on Bolero mounts, blue arrow (changed, as advised by Sir Behram).

The results are very pronounced, so if you come across these, hard to find Bolero mounts, just pick them up and keep them with you. I did, and have an extra pair.

The above is my personal observation, I don't mind being corrected if wrong.

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The earlier mounting position, 540 mount and rubber size.

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Tejas@perioimpl · 19th May 2011, 11:27

Great work!

I'm even more happy that the work is progressing at a good rate. Increases the chances of you making it to EXAMM! 2011.

Jaggu · 19th May 2011, 16:01

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Jaggu,

Can you kindly elaborate on the rain channel, as one already exists marked in red in below 1st pic.

Yup that area if flat will collect water, and what i had in mind was a slight tapper to RT and LT so that water would easily flow off, or just avoid that piece in totality

fazalaliadil · 19th May 2011, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

Yup that area if flat will collect water, and what i had in mind was a slight tapper to RT and LT so that water would easily flow off, or just avoid that piece in totality

Jaggu,
Before the paint job I will be getting the whole under body, floor and such crevices done up with Wurth treatment.

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Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Great work!

I'm even more happy that the work is progressing at a good rate. Increases the chances of you making it to EXAMM! 2011.

Tejas,
Thank you.

My eyes, heart and mind are all set for making it to the EXAMM! 2011. Just don't want to miss the opportunity of meeting you guy and so many more from the South.

I am doing my best to get things moving.
Regards,

fazalaliadil · 21st May 2011, 21:16

Took a whole day and two scraps to finally get this silencer pipe finished.

Worked on the required clearance between the PS and the pipe and the pipe and the skid plate. The flex bellow now in place seems good.

By evening the tail pipe too was bent and fitted and the whole assembly completed. but not in pics here.

The finished shape of the manifold to silencer stretch, arrived after

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...lifting front wheels for downward tilt of PS.

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Yoke extension, front wheels grounded 1 1/2 ". Wheels lifted, 2"

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1" gap between PS and pipe, at articulation reduction negligible at gear box end.

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3/4th" between skid plate and pipe.

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Fuel tank shifted to rear.

15th April 2011, 16:46	#196
o.D BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 53 Thanked: 44 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Have followed your previous restorations and know sure this too is going to only be the best of fit and finish. came across this site ICON and thought it might give you more ideas for a rollcage and mods. It reminded me of Jaggu's ride and setup as soon as I saw it. Happy Jeeping!
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Tejas@perioimpl Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 4,428 Thanked: 9,765 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Thank you. So, these have the stop and parking lights only? What is the light at the side? What are you doing for turn indicators?
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mashmash BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 395 Thanked: 157 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Lovely thread. Read right from the start. Little OT: Reminded me of a poor little jeep very close to my home left to die. Wish I had the funds to put life into it. Pic of jeep and its engine lying separated. Recognize the jeep? Looks done up once. Attached Thumbnails
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fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 677 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Finally the 16 gauge CR shell started to stitch together, like a jigsaw puzzle falling into place. With the engine, gearbox, differentials, chassis etc. swapped and on the cards now are seats, roll bar, rims, tyres, top etc. etc. Ironically, the bonnet, grille, windshield are the only parts surviving on the CJ 340 I had. A preview into the wip. Regards, Underbelly, notice the protusion in the rear tyre wells for larger bucket seats, and it will not mess in articulation. Firewall redesigned to accommodate the XD3P. Notice the recess for seats and (missing) tailgate. This fire wall scrapped to make way... (the black firewall in the back ground is the old shell) for this one finalized and fixed. This emboss is for the proposed hood (Bolero door) hinges...a la, GTO's Classic. The tail, now without a gate. The humble craftsman, Sharfu bhai. It is due to veterans like him and Janaiah and few others in different Jeep trades, Hyderabad still churns out Jeeps...year after year. May god bless these elders. Last edited by fazalaliadil : 18th May 2011 at 23:23.
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18th May 2011, 23:13	#204
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,369 Thanked: 17,301 Times	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Superb craftsmanship Fazal saab. Really loved the body work and really fast i say! Can you do something to make the rain channel under the hood hinge area tapper to either side, should help avoid the perennial rust in CJ's.
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19th May 2011, 08:11	#205
DKG Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,725 Thanked: 1,659 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? The tub looks great ! True these workers are blessed with an amazing skill. The finish is almost like the factory pressings. Why did you opt to seal the tail gate?
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Tejas@perioimpl Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 4,428 Thanked: 9,765 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Great work! I'm even more happy that the work is progressing at a good rate. Increases the chances of you making it to EXAMM! 2011.
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21st May 2011, 21:16	#210
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 677 Times View My Garage	Re: CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ?? Took a whole day and two scraps to finally get this silencer pipe finished. Worked on the required clearance between the PS and the pipe and the pipe and the skid plate. The flex bellow now in place seems good. By evening the tail pipe too was bent and fitted and the whole assembly completed. but not in pics here. The finished shape of the manifold to silencer stretch, arrived after ...lifting front wheels for downward tilt of PS. Yoke extension, front wheels grounded 1 1/2 ". Wheels lifted, 2" 1" gap between PS and pipe, at articulation reduction negligible at gear box end. 3/4th" between skid plate and pipe. Fuel tank shifted to rear.
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