CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??

fazalaliadil · 4th April 2010, 19:14

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Originally Posted by harjeev

@fazal sir
there are quite a few pics of BFG AT's on my gypsy thread. Further another BHPIAN Satnam (handle : bigman) also has bfg's on his MM550.

I did the completed the Desert Storm this year on my BFG and was more than happy with the performance. Very good tyres!!

Harjeev,
I am certian now after experienced guys like you and Tejas have endorsed it.
I need to know the on road performance and life of the BF, can you kindly elaborate on that and also the cost and availability.
Regards,

bigman · 4th April 2010, 20:12

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Harjeev,
I am certian now after experienced guys like you and Tejas have endorsed it.
I need to know the on road performance and life of the BF, can you kindly elaborate on that and also the cost and availability.
Regards,

Please read the following post by Gotzuk as it helped me make my decision:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-te...ml#post1166685

David from Mumbai has recently bought some for his 550 so check his thread for the current cost.

fazalaliadil · 4th April 2010, 20:37

Harjeev, Bigman,

Harjeev you have changed it from alloys back to the stock Gypsy wheels 15", why? and do these tyres balloon on the stock wheels as much as they did on the alloys?
Bigman you have the BF's on your 550 on army rims 16", I could not get it from the pic if the tyres too are 15" or 16".
Let me know how is the handling on and off road and the wear ratio on road.
Regards,

bigman · 4th April 2010, 22:10

On our 550 we have the 16" on army rims. Not really driven the jeep enough to develop a view on wear etc but the link I posted has given a review on his wear pattern etc.

foby.sebastian · 6th April 2010, 00:29

YouTube - ICON CJ3B (The Making Of)

harjeev · 6th April 2010, 07:54

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Harjeev, Bigman,

Harjeev you have changed it from alloys back to the stock Gypsy wheels 15", why?

Fazal I changed from alloys back to stock as the Alloys were not to my liking and I more comfortable to have the BFG's on stock rims. So I sold off the alloys and shifted back to the stock's.

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and do these tyres balloon on the stock wheels as much as they did on the alloys?

I dont think that these tyres balooned on the alloys and certianly don't do on the alloys. The size that I have is 215/75/R15 which is just 10 mm wider than the 205's with majority of the people have on the gypsy. I have even heard that some people have 235's on the stock rims!!!

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Let me know how is the handling on and off road and the wear ratio on road.
Regards,

The handling of road is really good. Another Bhpian Gotzuk has been using these tyres on his Gypsy and has done quite a number of rallies in the past 3-4 years on the Gypsy. He has stock rims and 215/75's BFG's. And I am also not mistaken than he has clocked 60-70k kms on these tyres and is really happy.
Another reason for me going for these tyres is that the side wall of this tyre is really strong. I mean when the tyre is not inflated and you try to press it with your hand you can literally feel the toughness and I think that this is the only tyre in the market that comes with a 3 ply sidewall, All other Yokos etc are 2 ply. So in off-roading and driving is rocky and hilly terrains terms harder the sidewall better the tyre.
One more reason was these tyres were the couple of hundred bucks cheaper then the Yokos in the same size in Delhi. Though this was not the only deciding factor but a convincing one

fazalaliadil · 6th April 2010, 08:15

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Originally Posted by harjeev

Fazal Though this was not the only deciding factor but a convincing one

Harjeev,
Thanks again.
Your inputs are very helpful in deciding the right shoes for a jeep, especially when you have various factors (stated) that should be looked into before zeroing on the final one.
Like earlier mentioned 6 days on-road, 1 day off-road is the tyre I am looking at and found it, thanks.
Regards,

vinod_nookala · 6th April 2010, 10:08

Fazal sir,
I agree with Harjeev and Bigman. There are quite a few in chennai using BFG and they are happy with the tyres performance. It unsettles only when you push it hard! Best compromise on and off road tyre i must say! Maxxis Trepedor's aid in lighter steering, good on slush and average on sand. I do not know high speed handling of these tyres.

BFG my take for you

Jaggu · 6th April 2010, 10:12

BFG is excellent for rocks and rocky terrain, pretty ok for the roads also. But when it comes to slush, they have a big handicap. They dont have the self cleaning thread and make the thread go glaze with mud.

If you can be lil careful with sidewall on rocks, Yoko's are a good bet.

fazalaliadil · 6th April 2010, 11:32

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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala

Fazal sir,
I agree with Harjeev and Bigman. There are quite a few in chennai using BFG and they are happy with the tyres performance.
BFG my take for you

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

BFG is excellent for rocks and rocky terrain, pretty ok for the roads also. But when it comes to slush, they have a big handicap.

Vinod and Jaggu,
Thanks.
I have narrowed down to BF Goodrich, after much deliberations, comparisons and feed backs I feel these are good on and off road tyres with lesser negatives as compared to others.
Now the question is 15" or 16"? If 16" what wheels to go for, army will be too heavy on 3B and I don't like alloys on Jeeps.
Regards,

vinod_nookala · 6th April 2010, 12:18

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Vinod and Jaggu,
Thanks.
Now the question is 15" or 16"? If 16" what wheels to go for, army will be too heavy on 3B and I don't like alloys on Jeeps.
Regards,

BFG's look best on Gypsy rims. How ever you will loose that essential ramp over angle once you choose smaller tire. I think you should go for 235's on 16 original jeep rim. You would loose on looks. Tough choice. If hard core off roading is not the full time requirement then go for Gypsy rims with BFG.

davids4x4mm550 · 6th April 2010, 14:41

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Originally Posted by fazalaliadil

Tejas,
Can you also please lead me to the source of BF Goodrich AT for visuals and pricing?
Thanks.

Find Your Dealer / Buying Guide / Home - www.michelin.in

they cost 5600 for the 235/70/r16 i picked them from safi tyres 02226490573

bigman · 6th April 2010, 16:48

Here are some visuals of the tyres.

CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??-bfg.jpg

CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??-bfg2.jpg

fazalaliadil · 6th April 2010, 18:30

Bigman, David, Vinod,
Thank you all.
Now please suggest 16" wheels apart from the jeep originals, FC but not alloys which match the present PCD.
I could go for the later model twin 10 hole army rims but the PCD will not match, had to return these brand new ones (in pic.) as they did not fit my white 540 three years back.
Regards,

CJ3B, 'The Dog 2' or 'The Pup': Should I ??-03062007.jpg

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 6th April 2010, 19:17

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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala

BFG's look best on Gypsy rims. How ever you will loose that essential ramp over angle once you choose smaller tire. I think you should go for 235's on 16 original jeep rim. You would loose on looks. Tough choice. If hard core off roading is not the full time requirement then go for Gypsy rims with BFG.

Vinod which 16" rims are you talking about, the ones for 6.00x16, 7.00x16 or 7.50x16? As you know correct rim sizes for all these are different.

Spike

4th April 2010, 20:37	#48
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 677 Times View My Garage	Harjeev, Bigman, Harjeev you have changed it from alloys back to the stock Gypsy wheels 15", why? and do these tyres balloon on the stock wheels as much as they did on the alloys? Bigman you have the BF's on your 550 on army rims 16", I could not get it from the pic if the tyres too are 15" or 16". Let me know how is the handling on and off road and the wear ratio on road. Regards,
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4th April 2010, 22:10	#49
bigman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NA Posts: 1,225 Thanked: 94 Times	On our 550 we have the 16" on army rims. Not really driven the jeep enough to develop a view on wear etc but the link I posted has given a review on his wear pattern etc.
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6th April 2010, 10:08	#53
vinod_nookala Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,737 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	Fazal sir, I agree with Harjeev and Bigman. There are quite a few in chennai using BFG and they are happy with the tyres performance. It unsettles only when you push it hard! Best compromise on and off road tyre i must say! Maxxis Trepedor's aid in lighter steering, good on slush and average on sand. I do not know high speed handling of these tyres. BFG my take for you Last edited by vinod_nookala : 6th April 2010 at 10:10.
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6th April 2010, 10:12	#54
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,369 Thanked: 17,300 Times	BFG is excellent for rocks and rocky terrain, pretty ok for the roads also. But when it comes to slush, they have a big handicap. They dont have the self cleaning thread and make the thread go glaze with mud. If you can be lil careful with sidewall on rocks, Yoko's are a good bet.
	() Thanks

6th April 2010, 16:48	#58
bigman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NA Posts: 1,225 Thanked: 94 Times	Here are some visuals of the tyres.
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6th April 2010, 18:30	#59
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 677 Times View My Garage	Bigman, David, Vinod, Thank you all. Now please suggest 16" wheels apart from the jeep originals, FC but not alloys which match the present PCD. I could go for the later model twin 10 hole army rims but the PCD will not match, had to return these brand new ones (in pic.) as they did not fit my white 540 three years back. Regards,
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