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Old 30th November 2022, 22:24   #1291
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Re: ARTICLE: How to buy a *USED* Car in India

Hello fellow Bhpians,
I recently started exploring Spinny Max for the used luxury car market. Stumbled upon a 2021 BMW X1 sDrive 20i x line, driven approx 5k km in Mumbai.
1. What is the feedback for Spinny Max?
2. How does an X1 hold up in the used car market?
3. How can I ensure that it is not a test drive vehicle/media vehicle?
4. How is the X1 compared to a new Tiguan?

Will be taking a test drive tomorrow?
Thanks in advance.
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Old 3rd December 2022, 10:28   #1292
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Should I go for it?

Getting a 1.2 lac driven 2015 Skoda Octavia 1.8 AT TSI Petrol for 8L in Bangalore. Second owner, who bought it at 55K in 2018 and is in my society. I am yet to check the service records but current owner claims it is serviced at Skoda and I can have a look. Recent work history he told me was complete repair of the engine cooling system. I am guess it must be the water pump failure.

What are the dangers of owning a ~8yr old Skoda TSI AT?
Should I expect some heavy maintenance bills?
What should I look for to ensure?

I am looking for pre-loved automatic cars in Bangalore and don't want to break the bank with a new car.
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Request experienced BHPians to please enlighten us please on the below:

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Need some advice on buying pre-owned luxury cars from Delhi market



Recently, I was searching about buying pre-owned cars on YouTube and found a few videos like this.
https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=AsJE45ygycM

After watching such videos, I have few questions

1. What is the modus operandi of such a dealer? How come they are selling at such low prices (S class in 7 lacs)?
2. If someone has purchased cars from a similar dealership, can he/she share experience?
3. I am from Ahmedabad and is it possible to re register these cars in different city from its original registered city?
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Hi Jaison. Even though this list is for new cars, most things would be applicable for a used buy also. Linky to the Article.
I have located a seller in Hyderabad however he is not ready to work on tax refund, his premium SUV was bought in July 2021 in Telangana however I am in Maharashtra, it means I need to pay tax and he can claim refund however he is quoting price without taking into account refund amount. Is there a way we can negotiate better, I am sure refund can be claimed by seller only.
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Need some advice on buying pre-owned luxury cars from Delhi market



Recently, I was searching about buying pre-owned cars on YouTube and found a few videos like this.
https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=AsJE45ygycM

After watching such videos, I have few questions

1. What is the modus operandi of such a dealer? How come they are selling at such low prices (S class in 7 lacs)?
2. If someone has purchased cars from a similar dealership, can he/she share experience?
3. I am from Ahmedabad and is it possible to re register these cars in different city from its original registered city?
Nothing special about them at all. These are the actual market prices. The top end luxury cars depreciate a lot and especially now with the 10 year rule in NCR. You'll notice most of these cars are either close or already passed 10 years in age. So the depreciation is relatively close to the prices they are asking.

Also there's a lot of showbizz happening on these videos. So proceed with caution. They don't mention any mechanical, electrical issues (which are bound to happen at this age of the car) and things like first owner or more etc.

If you want to buy a luxury car from NCR, you have to do the transfer to your state before it completes 10 years. However maybe other BHPians can chime in here. My knowledge is limited

The desire to buy an old luxury car is shared amongst all of us. You can genuinely end up with your dream car for a fraction of the price. Just be prepared to spend some money on top to maintain them. That Rs 7L S class would cost another 7-10L to fix up/run over the next 3 years.

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Hello BHPians,

I'm a newbie here, had been a regular reader of many amazing posts and replies by this wonderful community of great expertise and passion for the machines which makes any man smile. This will be my first post and request the respected moderators to merge this reply to some other threads if applicable.

I had saved up all my money to be in a state to afford a new car under 9 lakhs or a used car under 7 lakhs. Both subject to loan. Backstory being i havent even bought a bike for myself as cars has always had my heart.

Saw a 2nd owner black Verna 2018 CRDI EX model with mileage of 51k fitted with original alloy wheels on olx which was quoted for 7.5L with a dealer in chennai and sent my friend for checking it out, though it had some blowby and some oil coming out the dipstick, we decided to go for it as dealer stated that the car was not running for long, negotiated with the dealer to bring the price down to 6.5 for this. Provided we had checked with Hyundai service center in Chennai and got a green signal suggesting regular service and even alloys were replaced at the service center, and car came in for last service at 50k on Oct 2022.

All procedures were done related to the payment and went to take the delivery of the car, and also my first in-person view of the car. There was no blowby now when i checked and the exterior was pretty decent with minor scratches and interior was very good for the age. So here comes the dark part of the story, took the car out filled a full tank of diesel and went to drop my friends who came with us for the delivery. I noticed that whenever i was about to leave the accelerator, the car was giving jerks, i was driving very very sedately all this while never crossing 2000 RPM. And, By god's grace, i had forgotten my bag at the dealers showroom and went back to pick it up before proceeding for a long travel of 450+km back home.

Parked the car, went in and picked up the bag and came back and to my suprise the car wont start. Even after multiple combinations of switching off the AC nothing worked. The dealer and his associates came by and was checking the car for a possible battery issue and even tried swapping a replacement battery they had at their place, which of no use. Then they kept trying things and asked me to stay at their office, as they have called an technician to check. I too thought i would keep my bag and come back. In a matter of 10 minutes, the car was running and back in their office and dealer told that the techician had to swap some fuses. Now suddenly out of the blue, there is a continous ticking/hissing/knocking noise with visible smoke coming from the engine cover. The dealer says that the technician identified this as a injector leakage issue. And i opened the dipstick to see oil bouncing out of it quite comfortably.

All my dreams turned into nightmare there and was completely taken aback. I had been waiting for years to get hands on a high end car like this. Previously i had taken a 2013 i20 sports from my friend directly and drove it for about a year. So thought of going ahead with Hyundai provided i hardly had any fuss with the i20 except for the VTVT engine's horrible mileage in city.

Dealer suggested that he will arrange for a solution himself to replace the injectors and get the problem rectified and was very friendly and was even compelling me to take any other car he had at display as a temporary replacement till he gets the Verna ready. I should have taken it, but for the idiot i am, i didnt take any, as i felt driving back home was not ideal as something had stopped me in between.

The dealer assured me that he will take all necessary steps and this showroom was in a prime location and had been in business for long, i went back home. Upon reaching back, i remembered now i have soft copies of all RC and other info and went ahead to check with Hyundai once again with the Engine and chasis number to get to know more details on the car. The local showroom here told me that the car did not have any engine issues but there were some minor accidents where the bumpers and headlights were replaced. Also they have suggested a weak turbo to be replaced, (not sure whether this was a showroom trying to push the previous owner). They also confirmed that Injectors 3 and 4 were found to be non company parts.

In the meantime, i got a update from the dealer stating that the engine is being overhauled , piston rings have gone which was causing the blowby and injectors are getting replaced. (pictures attached)

I'm fully down now mentally, as being a person who know a few things about cars fell for this, going by the guts of initial Hyundai report from Chennai, (dont know why different service center could give different opinions). I'm quite worried what would be the way forward, should i deny and take a different car from the showroom (didn't find any alternatives worth in his collection of 2 Cruzes, an Xuv500, 2 i20s, Jazz and some old model Maruti's). Seeking advice from the senior motor minds and enthusiasts.
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Old 21st March 2023, 04:12   #1297
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Re: ARTICLE: How to buy a *USED* Car in India

I have a good offer on a pre-owned car, but the car is registered in BH series
Need advice on below points :
1)Shall I continue with BH series (with little hustle , I can) any pros or cons ?
2) If re-register then what will change on budget ?
3) I am planning to go for loan and will above things effect here ?

Any advice, suggestions will be helpful.
TIA

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In the meantime, i got a update from the dealer stating that the engine is being overhauled , piston rings have gone which was causing the blowby and injectors are getting replaced. (pictures attached)
What is the current situation on this mate?
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I'm in the hunt for a pre owned car after a while now and see that individual listings have all but disappeared from the likes of Olx, Carwale, Spinny etc. Can anyone share why individual listings don't seem to exist anymore and apart from tbhp classifieds. Are there any other reliable sources where individual sellers are posting ads?
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It's not that individual sellers are not listing their ads on OLX. It's just that companies like spinny and cars24 have become too aggressive in buying whatever is available on OLX that hardly any car worth buying is available before it's not already sold. Also the ridiculous offers the non serious buyers simply pushes sellers towards spinny/cars24.
I would just share an example around month back i put up ad on OLX to sell my mint condition 2014 Fluidic Verna Diesel top model with 6 Airbags and Automatic headlights. The moment I put up ad on OLX i started getting calls from spinny cars24. My car was evaluated and i was offered price ranging from 3LAC to 3.5 LAC. The IDV on my last insurance was 4.4 LAC. Cars of similar age and conditions are listed for about 4.5 to 5.5LACs on spinny and cars24. My demand price was 4LAC
Infact I was ready to sell to anyone who just matched the price offered by spinny and cars24. As this would have ensured faster transfer of RC to the buyer.
But the the offers i received from individual buyers were mostly from 1LAC to 2LAC. Almost every individual buyer thought he is the smartest guy in earth and was actually doing me a favour by buying an NCR registered car which has just 1year of registration left. On being told that it's a UP registered car which can run for another 6years outside NCR they continue to claim that they are still doing me a favour by offering me more than scrap price. Almost all of these buyers are from cities like Allahabad, bulandshahr Agra where diesel cars are very popular and were looking for cheap cars from Delhi NCR thanks to 10year diesel car rule.
I was about to sell my car to cars24 when finally someone offered 3.5 LAC and i will be selling to this guy.

My advice to anyone looking to buy cars listed on OLX. Be quick and offer good price to the seller of the car you find fitting your requirement and your offer should be max 5-10% discount to similar cars listed on cars24 or Spinny.
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Many thanks DrSachin for sharing that personal experience. It's really helpful. I wonder if there is any way to filter individual vs dealer listings on Olx. Carwale used to have this filter a few years ago.
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What is the current situation on this mate?
Well well, what can I say, the situation and the time have gone very worrisome & bad. Many things have happened over this period since my post. For better understanding, I am quoting the issue in a timeline.

Feb 7th: All the things said in my original post happened.

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Hello BHPians,

as of this moment, the car is left back with the dealer in Chennai, Same goes for my money and I was back in Madurai. (450 odd km)

As I came back, whenever I tried to get in touch with the dealer, I would be able to reach him in only 2 out of 5 attempts. I always get a response that they were busy and the car is already in a garage for the service and it needs an overhaul. Specifically, he mentioned that it needed piston rings to change and also injectors.

Feb 29: After a good number of follow-ups, I get an update that the car's service is done, and the car needs to run in under 2k rpm for some 1000 odd KM's for the rings and other things to set it. The mechanic had suggested that he will do 500km himself and hand it over to the dealer. And dealer tells me that he needs to make sure that the car is perfect hence he needs around a week after the mechanic handover the car so that he could complete the rest 500 km and monitor the car.

Mar 3: I sent another friend of mine, who's more into automobiles in Chennai to check the car, and after a short TD, he sees that the oil from blowby has stopped but smoke(white) is still present. He also highlighted that the engine top cover had some oils spilled on it. And a minute smoke near one of the injectors. Also Being a more experienced driver, this friend of mine, spotted the jerks to be Clutch judders which he had highlighted to me and the dealer as well.

Now I was quite skeptical about this car, and this friend had strongly suggested not to take this car. We even tried to speak to the dealer for a full refund, but he said he needs time to arrange the amount back, he alternatively suggested that we can take other cars temporarily or he will try once more to get the clutch issue and injector sealings done. He said anyhow he needs to get the car redone even if it was for another customer and asked us to wait.

After this here, I'm taking multiple follow-ups to get a solid update, but I hardly get any.

Mar 15: I get a call from the dealer that the car is now perfect and recommends that I come to Chennai to check in person.

Mar 19: I reached Chennai and checked the car to find that the clutch jerk/judder is solved, but still oil over the engine top mount and now smoke from 2 injectors. Dealer himself says he needs more time to monitor the car. Now I was devastated at this point and fed up completely!!

My gut feeling was that he will hardly return my money, as even with the car I had a hard time reaching him over the call. Also as the fasting month is nearing, we needed a car and I can't travel easily as well to Chennai during that period. Hence I decided that I will take a temporary car from his collection this time till I can decide on how the situation goes with the refund. The dealer also said that he may arrange some other good car in the coming days, and till then I can use the car I choose from his collection. The only car that was worth taking was an i20 CRDI 2016 1st owner 69k km run car. Took a TD and found the engine to be more refined and gears slicker and the good suspension. But slightly noticed a very very minute sticking effect on the clutch at times like some chewing gum is stuck. (took some tips from that friend of mine for the TD). Then decided to take the car to that friend's place before driving back home.

So his place was around 30km from this place and as I crossed around 20km or so, at Chennai's peak traffic, the clutch started sinking but thankfully I had found a workaround: if I push the clutch pedal twice it came back. Stopped the car for a while, and checked the engine bay but couldn't figure out anything. His place was now just 10 km away and decided to take it there first. Now I noticed that from 3rd gear on the clutch was fine. (The dealer had highlighted that the car was parked long and could have some minor niggles.)

Reached his place and he TD as well and said apart from the clutch sinking, other aspects of the car like the engine, driving dynamics, and cabin insulation everything was miles ahead and that he had high hopes for Verna but was disappointed with that one. He suggested that I should take the car to Madurai early morning when traffic will be less so that I need not come to lower gears. He made me drive and noticed that I was managing the clutch in lower gears well. We made this decision because getting it back to the dealer would again add up to a more complicated story. He recommended starting early morning to avoid traffic.

Started the car in the early morning, and found the clutch to be quite normal now. Confused and relieved a bit, I started off to Madurai, and the car felt very well mannered on the highways, and felt more like a proper level up to my VTVT i20 before. I enjoyed the drive and the road was very free due to Monday early morning and I hardly had any chance to move to lower gears except for a very few diversions and tolls. So when I reached the outskirts of Madurai, the clutch issue crept back in. Using the same technique I managed to get the car home.

Mar 21: Next day, Now in the daylight, when I opened the bonnet, I noticed that the brake fluid level was just barely near the low mark. This started some research spree on my mind, and many videos and posts suggested it could be the failing cylinders. But all those had a common diagnosis, the clutch kept sinking in all scenarios. Here, it was only after some usage, and the low level could be due to being parked long.

So went to the Hyundai service center without the car, first enquiring about the fluid to be used, and got to know that its DOT3. Now I followed up with the same person who helped me to get details of Verna, for this car.

Now the most SHOCKING NEWS!, this i20 had come in for the last service on march 2022 with ODO clocked at 1,13,000. And they were quite curious to know about the dealer's details for some odd reason. Somehow I felt I should defend him provided he had given this as a temporary option I said some random explanations and left the place.

Mar 22: Bought DOT3 fluid, filled very near to the max level, and went inside to check the clutch to see that, the chewing gum effect is gone now. Took for a short drive of 15km no sinking occurred.

Mar 25: Wanted to be sure, and tried to simulate the 30km run that I had done on Mar 19, so planned a trip to the Bosch service center just to get an idea. Went there successfully without any issues on the clutch and reaching there, it was again drama.

The mechanic hardly checked the car and said it needs assembly, clutch plates, and cylinder replacement, where I had just told him about the low oil level and top-up and just to check for any leaks. I asked again about any leaks, but he said there isn't any leaks, and asked me to listen near the engine bay as he pressed the clutch, a very very negligent hydraulic noise, which you can hear only when you focus much. Got a quote of 18k for all this work.

I was not sold by their approach and decided to take the car back, and it ran well without any clutch sinking again in fact during this drive I noticed that the clutch was much smoother. Came to an understanding that the low fluid level would have depleted the oil inside the lines over usage. (only positive learning from this)

Now, I am completely left confused still, on what to do, to get a refund (which I highly doubt will ever happen) or keep this one for a while and sell it? or wait for a good replacement to pop up in his collection, or keep this one (too costly for a high mileage done car). Sadly this car's insurance is also expiring in a week!

In the end, I learned a valuable lesson - always do your due diligence when purchasing a second-hand car, and never be afraid to speak up if something doesn't feel right. While it may be tempting to jump at a seemingly great deal, it's important to remember that there's no such thing as a perfect car, and it's better to take the time to find the right one, rather than rush into a purchase that you may later regret. And patience sometimes can be a negative thing!!. By nature i am a very calm and patient one, and it hit me hard now.

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Old 28th March 2023, 09:13   #1303
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I don't think the dealer will ever agree to refund. If he does then you are lucky. The better thing to do is to keep the i20. At least this is better than the other at the moment. Do a general service, and address the most pressing issues. Use it for sometime and then sell it off. Next time, for a pre-owned car go for Spinny or similar. At least you get warranty and some peace of mind.
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