ICE upgrade : Maruti Swift

Elito11 · 18th December 2006, 17:50

Hi all.

Round II

1. If i go for the following config, wud i need a AMP ?

HU: Pio 6890
Front Comps: Hertz DSK 130
Rear Coax: Blau 122

ALso if do away with rear coax and Instead go with Hertz DSK 165 only in front , would i need an AMP at the moment? (I can always do a rear fill a few months down the line)

Please remember i do not wish to spend more than 16K at the moment!

Thanks

speedzak · 18th December 2006, 18:39

First of all, the Pio HU you mean here is 6850 I suppose. There's no 6850 in Pioneer's current line up.

With your both setups (W/O rearfills) mentioned above, an Amp is not necessary. But an amp can work magic to your setup as it will play a lot cleaner than your HU output. If you dont have rearfills and amp now, then tell the installer to connect the woofers' crossovers to HU's rear output and tweeters' crossovers to HU's front output. And connect the crossovers to their respective speakers.

Why DSK130 and not 165? They will sound better than 130 and will fit well in the stock location of the Swift.
I would suggest you use a Hertz DCX co-axial with your DSK for rearfill.

Elito11 · 18th December 2006, 18:49

Hello Speedzak!

Yeah Pio 6850. Thanks for the corection.

Well I wud have gone for a DSK 165 but i doubt the whole thing wud fit in 16K!.

As for the AMP...... after 2 months maybe!!
Also i have heard gr8 thing abt Blau IC 122, infact a friend has them in his car..sounded good. But if DCX Co-axial is a better fit...why not..will hear em out both!

P.s. - I have a GETZ, its just i thought i might get a quicker response here, so i kinda posted in the swift thread

( i guess i need a signature!!)

Thanks ..now i only need to get to 'Driven'!!

hydrashok · 18th December 2006, 20:23

Elito, stay away from the Blau IC 122. I think they stopped the "In Car" series a year or so back, so if you get one now it is likely to be old stock. I had an IC 122 in my front door for a very short time before I got rid of it. I didn't like the sound that much (but that's just me). Blau's entry level stuff is called the GT series now. Not so very good in comparison with the other speakers from other brands in the same price point.

Even if you have to wait a while, go for the DCX130 for the rear-fill. You won't need to switch speakers later, and the sound will blend better with the DSKs in front.

Like Zak said, an Amp is not a necessity, but is a definite desirable. Adding an amp will add a lot of body to the sound. But again, you can always add it later, without having to change anything else in your setup.

And, don't even think of DSK130s when you can do DSK165s. They will not cost thaaat much extra. 165s will give better bass than 130s. If you're getting the Pio and the DSK165s only now, you will be able to finish the setup in 15K.

Elito11 · 18th December 2006, 22:20

Hydrashok....ur THE MAN!!

. Thanks dude...ur passion is admirable

Will go for a HU+Front comps for now and in a month or two add the rear fills and the AMP!!

Elito

Autophile · 19th December 2006, 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by aZa

Zak !!! DRIVEN is like 40-50 odd kms oneway from NOIDA

but Yes if you are in delhi then DRIVEN is T-H-E place to be for ICE'IN and some nice Wada Sambhar heheh!

.

40-50 Kms from Noida

. aZA get your cars odo meter checked before you spend money to add a tachometer

gunbir · 19th December 2006, 01:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by aZa

DRIVEN is T-H-E place to be for ICE'IN and some nice Wada Sambhar heheh!

And I definitely remember sharing some butter chicken with you there...

speedzak · 19th December 2006, 02:07

So, shall we start it all over again? Which one do you want? Butterchicken or......?

BTW, get a DSK165 and a Pioneer 6850 for now. And Mr. Driven will do a perfect install.

Next, you can upgrade to an amp, rearfills, good cabling and subwoofer(s).

navin · 19th December 2006, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbir

And I definitely remember sharing some butter chicken with you there...

Is it me or something I did. I never getr invited for butter chicken or beer parties. :-(

iraghava · 19th December 2006, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

Is it me or something I did. I never getr invited for butter chicken or beer parties. :-(

Well Navin, considering you said on the other thread that you don't socialise anymore I guess people are scared of you

After you are the Old Man of ICE!!

But yeah you have an open invitation to the next Delhi Beer/Alcohol Fests, please join us if you can!!

Elito11 · 20th December 2006, 10:20

Hi All

Was looking around and found this article
Great 6-1/2 Inch Component Car Stereo Speakers

Hence was wondering how much any of these would cost. Esp JBL P650c
I am guessing 5.5K..is it so?

Also if i DO (just fantasizing) go in for a 4 channel AMP right now as well. How much wud a standard product cost?

Thanks!

Vid6639 · 20th December 2006, 10:28

nope elito much more the power series is the top of the line JBL speakers and they are not available in india.

the P650 may set you back by probably around 10-11K.

Sam Kapasi · 20th December 2006, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elito11

Hence was wondering how much any of these would cost. Esp JBL P650c
I am guessing 5.5K..is it so?

Thanks!

What what elito!!
The P (power) series of JBL feature higher than the GTO series. 5.5K will just about get you a set of the popular, good quality GTO components.
P650C should cost you about 12K, methinks.

hydrashok · 20th December 2006, 10:43

Elito, I don't think the JBL P650c mentioned in that article is available in India (unless it is available under another model name). The model priced near this price (approx $165 ~ Rs.7300/- as per the link in that article) would be the GTO607 (The 607 costs 6500/-).

The Infinitys mentioned are also not available here (under the same model name anyway). The equivalent would be the Infinity Kappa 60.7cs.

BTW, the article does not mention a date (of publishing) so it is likely to be a little dated.

A good entry-level 4-ch amp would be the JBL CS60.4 at 9K. A bit higher, JBL GTO75.4 at 13K. You have other options from Pioneer and Blaupunkt from 7K to the 13K (I mentioned for the JBL). I'd vote for JBL, though.

Additional costs that come with a 4ch amp would be 2 sets of RCA interconnects (2k total for Audison) and of course the Amp wiring kit (3k for Audison. Same for the JBL wiring Kit. Audison would be better. Scosche and Twister are other options). So an additional cost of about 5K should be added to the amp's price when you consider a 4ch amp. I'm not adding installation here, because you'll most likely get it done inclusive of the total amount.

Edit: Whoops! Sam has answered while I was writing this. Sam, long time no see?

Elito11 · 20th December 2006, 10:49

@ Hydrashok: It sayz the best comps of 2005. So i guess its early 2006.

18th December 2006, 17:50	#196
Elito11 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 508 Thanked: 108 Times	Hi all. Round II 1. If i go for the following config, wud i need a AMP ? HU: Pio 6890 Front Comps: Hertz DSK 130 Rear Coax: Blau 122 ALso if do away with rear coax and Instead go with Hertz DSK 165 only in front , would i need an AMP at the moment? (I can always do a rear fill a few months down the line) Please remember i do not wish to spend more than 16K at the moment! Thanks
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18th December 2006, 18:39	#197
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	First of all, the Pio HU you mean here is 6850 I suppose. There's no 6850 in Pioneer's current line up. With your both setups (W/O rearfills) mentioned above, an Amp is not necessary. But an amp can work magic to your setup as it will play a lot cleaner than your HU output. If you dont have rearfills and amp now, then tell the installer to connect the woofers' crossovers to HU's rear output and tweeters' crossovers to HU's front output. And connect the crossovers to their respective speakers. Why DSK130 and not 165? They will sound better than 130 and will fit well in the stock location of the Swift. I would suggest you use a Hertz DCX co-axial with your DSK for rearfill. Last edited by speedzak : 18th December 2006 at 18:44.
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18th December 2006, 18:49	#198
Elito11 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 508 Thanked: 108 Times	Hello Speedzak! Yeah Pio 6850. Thanks for the corection. Well I wud have gone for a DSK 165 but i doubt the whole thing wud fit in 16K!. As for the AMP...... after 2 months maybe!! Also i have heard gr8 thing abt Blau IC 122, infact a friend has them in his car..sounded good. But if DCX Co-axial is a better fit...why not..will hear em out both! P.s. - I have a GETZ, its just i thought i might get a quicker response here, so i kinda posted in the swift thread ( i guess i need a signature!!) Thanks ..now i only need to get to 'Driven'!!
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18th December 2006, 20:23	#199
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Elito, stay away from the Blau IC 122. I think they stopped the "In Car" series a year or so back, so if you get one now it is likely to be old stock. I had an IC 122 in my front door for a very short time before I got rid of it. I didn't like the sound that much (but that's just me). Blau's entry level stuff is called the GT series now. Not so very good in comparison with the other speakers from other brands in the same price point. Even if you have to wait a while, go for the DCX130 for the rear-fill. You won't need to switch speakers later, and the sound will blend better with the DSKs in front. Like Zak said, an Amp is not a necessity, but is a definite desirable. Adding an amp will add a lot of body to the sound. But again, you can always add it later, without having to change anything else in your setup. And, don't even think of DSK130s when you can do DSK165s. They will not cost thaaat much extra. 165s will give better bass than 130s. If you're getting the Pio and the DSK165s only now, you will be able to finish the setup in 15K.
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18th December 2006, 22:20	#200
Elito11 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 508 Thanked: 108 Times	Hydrashok....ur THE MAN!! . Thanks dude...ur passion is admirable Will go for a HU+Front comps for now and in a month or two add the rear fills and the AMP!! Elito
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19th December 2006, 02:07	#203
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	So, shall we start it all over again? Which one do you want? Butterchicken or......? BTW, get a DSK165 and a Pioneer 6850 for now. And Mr. Driven will do a perfect install. Next, you can upgrade to an amp, rearfills, good cabling and subwoofer(s).
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20th December 2006, 10:20	#206
Elito11 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 508 Thanked: 108 Times	Hi All Was looking around and found this article Great 6-1/2 Inch Component Car Stereo Speakers Hence was wondering how much any of these would cost. Esp JBL P650c I am guessing 5.5K..is it so? Also if i DO (just fantasizing) go in for a 4 channel AMP right now as well. How much wud a standard product cost? Thanks!
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20th December 2006, 10:28	#207
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,689 Thanked: 44,150 Times View My Garage	nope elito much more the power series is the top of the line JBL speakers and they are not available in india. the P650 may set you back by probably around 10-11K.
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20th December 2006, 10:43	#209
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Elito, I don't think the JBL P650c mentioned in that article is available in India (unless it is available under another model name). The model priced near this price (approx $165 ~ Rs.7300/- as per the link in that article) would be the GTO607 (The 607 costs 6500/-). The Infinitys mentioned are also not available here (under the same model name anyway). The equivalent would be the Infinity Kappa 60.7cs. BTW, the article does not mention a date (of publishing) so it is likely to be a little dated. A good entry-level 4-ch amp would be the JBL CS60.4 at 9K. A bit higher, JBL GTO75.4 at 13K. You have other options from Pioneer and Blaupunkt from 7K to the 13K (I mentioned for the JBL). I'd vote for JBL, though. Additional costs that come with a 4ch amp would be 2 sets of RCA interconnects (2k total for Audison) and of course the Amp wiring kit (3k for Audison. Same for the JBL wiring Kit. Audison would be better. Scosche and Twister are other options). So an additional cost of about 5K should be added to the amp's price when you consider a 4ch amp. I'm not adding installation here, because you'll most likely get it done inclusive of the total amount. Edit: Whoops! Sam has answered while I was writing this. Sam, long time no see? Last edited by hydrashok : 20th December 2006 at 10:47.
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20th December 2006, 10:49	#210
Elito11 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 508 Thanked: 108 Times	@ Hydrashok: It sayz the best comps of 2005. So i guess its early 2006.
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