[Sam Kapasi]

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

• Try JBL MS-2 for improving sound quality. (Costs 12,000/- with B&W).

The MS-2 does indeed "auto-tune" the sound and provides correct time alignment and provides great sound staging (only for one person)


But it only works on an analog auxilliary input, such has an iPod or other MP3 player connected using the Aux-in. It would not work on the CD or Radio.
For that you need MS-8.

[naturaldisaster]

i think the most cruicial part of any ICE is the front components.. have great comps? then comes powering them with a good amp. and if your comps can handle more that 50-60wrms, get a 4 channel and bridge to 2 channels.... ive done it and it definitely sounds better....

i mean, 60wrms from a bridged system would sound better than the same amp non bridged 4 channel amp which produces 60 wrms x 4. its just cleaner. and as stated before, get good damping done for your front doors. it helps...

cheers.


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[novice29]

Thank You all for the suggestions.
Had a chat with the installer today. His suggestion is that next step should be a Subwoofer setup and suggests me to stick with JL Audio. As I read in many places here in the forum, the Sub setup is not just for the "Boom Boom" effect but it adds to the completeness of the entire system. I did not get a chance to see such a system because all my friends/colleagues use it for the "Boom Boom" effect and they are not bothered about SQ. Well when checked this with my installer, he says it completely depends on how you want it. If you need SQ, they can choose a configuration for that, or if for "Boom Boom", they can go that way. Hope it is true and now planning to install one for SQ.

The suggestion from installer is to stick with JL Audio since I am happy with that brand so far. And they quoted 15K for a basic JL audio Sub setup with a 2-Channel Amp. I did not remeber the exact model numbers for the Amp and Sub.

As I told the budget is tight, installer asked me to postpone the plan for damping since VW Polo can handle the basic setups. However I am planning to extend the budget by a little (3K or so) and do some damping just to get a feeling of how good it will be. So which one should I consider, door damping or boot?

Overall, how is this plan? Comments about JL setup are also welcome. I think it is expensive and better options available at that price. But do not know what they are. Please comment!

[jeepster]

Hi guys,

I have just bought a PIONEER 5490 & JBL GTO 949 + JBL GTO 609c for my MM XYLO D4.

The Owners manual of 5490 says

• DO NOT connect 1ohm to 3 ohm speakers
• ONLY USE 4ohm to 8 ohm speakers

As JBL are 2ohm how should i connect them Without the AMP? as i am out of budget for now.

A 4 ch AMP (jbl or hertz) will be added but after couple of months.

rgds,
Nikhil

BTW how good are the sony AMPs?

[scopriobharath]

Originally Posted by jeepster

BTW how good are the sony AMPs?

Sony amps are Good but not as good as JBLs. I would choose JBL anyday over Sonys. Just FYI - both cost almost the same

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by jeepster

... As JBL are 2ohm how should i connect them Without the AMP? as i am out of budget for now. ...

They are not really 2 ohm speakers, more like 3.2 ohms or so. Just go ahead and use them. Make sure you don't suddenly forget about this and crank up the volume to show off in your neighborhood. If you do, you will suddenly start getting some weird harsh sounds, making you feel like jumping out of the car.

[jeepster]

Originally Posted by scopriobharath

I would choose JBL anyday over Sonys.
FYI - both cost almost the same

Yes thats why i havent bought them.

Will wait for better AMPs.

Originally Posted by DerAlte

They are not really 2 ohm speakers, more like 3.2 ohms or so. Just go ahead and use them.
If you do, you will suddenly start getting some weird harsh sounds, making you feel like jumping out of the car.

hmmm

System will not be played at high volume.

I just want a system with better SQ only, not to show off.

Here is my plan

• Stage one - MP3 with 3 RCA Pre outs + Front door components + 1 pair 3-Way Coaxial Speaker under third row seats.

• Stage two - add Rear door components + 4 ch AMP + Damping (remove Coaxial Speaker or keep them as 3rd pair)

• Stage three - add a Sub + AMP.

rgds,
Nikhil

[navin]

Originally Posted by jeepster

As JBL are 2ohm

Originally Posted by DerAlte

They are not really 2 ohm speakers, more like 3.2 ohms or so.

Yes most intrenational brochures indicate a "nominal impedance" of 3 ohms.

[bluevolt]

Confusion: To add a bass tube/woofer or not?

I am thinking of upgrading the ICE of my WagonR

I don't know whether I should add a bass tube to my WagonR or not? I love bass but not noise!

My concern is that will it effect my concentration during driving in any way?

Or I should just get a decent set of coaxial in rear which offers decent bass?

Right now my car has a Sony CD player and two dashboard speakers(Sony) which will be retained.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by bluevolt

Confusion: To add a bass tube/woofer or not? ... My concern is that will it effect my concentration during driving in any way? ... Or I should just get a decent set of coaxial in rear which offers decent bass? ...

Well, my concentration is affected if I DON'T hear the bass in the music that I am hearing . Don't worry on that count. In fact if you hear disturbingly loud / harsh bass, it is bad bass by bad tuning / bad speakers. Good bass is always in proportion to the music, the way the recording engineer intended it.

* Don't use a tube - too boomy, and you really don't save space in the boot
* Whether ported or sealed is your choice - boomy is sometimes tiring
* 6x9 coaxes on an MDF parcel shelf are a good alternative, but even the best don't go as low as a good sub
* A small 10" sub in a sealed box in the boot, or even an 8" under the seat (there is a Polk sub in a box) will make a lot of difference
* 6x9 coaxes you can drive off the HU, for sub you will definitely need an amp
* If an amp, get a 4 channel amp, and drive the dash speakers with the front channels - you will see a slight improvement in front response. Drive the sub with the rear channels
* An amp is also not a bad idea if you are putting only 6x9s - much better response

[bluevolt]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Well, my concentration is affected if I DON'T hear the bass in the music that I am hearing . Don't worry on that count. In fact if you hear disturbingly loud / harsh bass, it is bad bass by bad tuning / bad speakers. Good bass is always in proportion to the music, the way the recording engineer intended it.

* Don't use a tube - too boomy, and you really don't save space in the boot
* Whether ported or sealed is your choice - boomy is sometimes tiring
* 6x9 coaxes on an MDF parcel shelf are a good alternative, but even the best don't go as low as a good sub
* A small 10" sub in a sealed box in the boot, or even an 8" under the seat (there is a Polk sub in a box) will make a lot of difference
* 6x9 coaxes you can drive off the HU, for sub you will definitely need an amp
* If an amp, get a 4 channel amp, and drive the dash speakers with the front channels - you will see a slight improvement in front response. Drive the sub with the rear channels
* An amp is also not a bad idea if you are putting only 6x9s - much better response

Thanks.

If I plan to get a sub then can you please suggest a good one. My budget is tight and can't afford any fancy stuff. Can I get a mono amp only for sub to keep the costs down.

Please suggest low cost entry level sub/amp.

PS - This stuff is only for a little showoff as I am joining college for my MCA program. Otherwise I was happy with my current setup.

[k2max6]

Originally Posted by bluevolt

Thanks.

If I plan to get a sub then can you please suggest a good one. My budget is tight and can't afford any fancy stuff. Can I get a mono amp only for sub to keep the costs down.

Please suggest low cost entry level sub/amp.

PS - This stuff is only for a little showoff as I am joining college for my MCA program. Otherwise I was happy with my current setup.

Mono amp is always expensive as compared to a 4 Channel amp.
If you want to cut on costs get a decent 2 channel amp to power the sub.
The front & rear speakers can run off the HU.
For an entry level amp you can look at JBL X424.Should cost you around 4k with bill. You can choose any sub from JBL or Pioneer for around 3-3.5k.
Box would cost extra.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by bluevolt

... Can I get a mono amp only for sub to keep the costs down.

Please suggest low cost entry level sub/amp.

PS - This stuff is only for a little showoff as I am joining college for my MCA program. Otherwise I was happy with my current setup.

That's perfectly OK. But, if done wrongly, it will be only show-off and bad music in car otherwise, like most people land up with. Don't worry, there are a lot of people here to help you.

1. Don't think of a mono at this time. Get a 4 channel amp

2. Amps: Kenwood, JBL, Pioneer, even Sony

3. Sub: JBL, Infinity, Polk, Rockford Fosgate, Bull, etc. (not Pio or Sony)

[cyclops]

Hello Gurus, need your advise.

Currently I am in the US and found a good deal on the following Polk sub:

Polk Audio DXi 104 DVC DXi Series 10" subwoofer with dual 4-ohm voice coils at Crutchfield.com

How is this sub? So far I have found really good reviews confirming its more towards quality than quantity of bass. Please comment.

I have a JBL GT5-A604 (spec follows) down home in India and plan to use this sub with it.

JBL GT5-A604 (GT5A604) 640W Max 4-Channel GT Car Amplifier

After I placed the order I realized that this sub is a DVC and might not be compatible with my amp. I am novice when it comes to subs, this is my first one.

Please advise if my amp and sub would be running safe if I hook this up, my preference is more towards SQ than SPL - if not I can probably return it back here.

[navin]

Originally Posted by cyclops

How is this sub? So far I have found really good reviews confirming its more towards quality than quantity of bass. Please comment.

I have a JBL GT5-A604 (spec follows) down home in India

After I placed the order I realized that this sub is a DVC.

The GT5-604 can drive 4 ohms loads in bridged mode. Since your sub has 2 4ohm voice coils you can use all 4 channels of the 604 to drive the sub. Set both front and rear crossovers to LP arond 100hz and connect one voice coil to the front bridged channel and the second voice coil to the rear bridged channel.