[HellwratH]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Guys,

I have no idea what you guys are talking about!

But have one simple question. Is the kodak Z612 still available? Its 6MP, 12x prosumer camera. Saw Z710 (if i remember), 6MP, 10x zoom at Big bazaar for 15.5k. is it above z612 or under it?

And, which is a good camera under 15k?

Crazy_Driver,

Welcome to the world of cameras.. .. over next few months if you put two hours everyday on various forums, it might help you to understand what they are speaking about. .. regarding Kodak, I dont know, but why don't you look at this Canon S3 IS..Its way better than Kodak one. Here is the link check it out

Canon PowerShot S3 IS digital camera specifications: Digital Photography Review

Or the new version of it.. S5 IS

Canon PowerShot S5 IS digital camera specifications: Digital Photography Review

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by navin

1. noise is dependant on (a) sensor size (b) number of mega pixels on sensor (c) for jpgs the processing algorithim.

Well the JPEG algo has more to do with softness and artifacts than noise.

2. I did consider the poor cousins of the Leica. I got my hands on a Panasonic LX2 but it's results were not very good. I cant find an L1 or TZ3. I am told that they might be better bets as the images are less processed. Panasonic seems to have taken this in camera processing idea a bit too far and so if and when an L2 is released it might not even be as good as the bulky L1. Time will tell.

Pana is a high noise camera. I don't think Leica is

3. i am happy with 6-7 Meg pixles on a 1/1.6-1/1.7" sensor. Thing is that most compacts (other than the Fuji F31fd) are trying to stuff 10 megas into this space and hence the grain. I was hoping to use the GX100 in 5Mega mode and hence loose some of that grain.

Actually Fuji F31fd is the cleanest cams. Fuji started the trend of low noise compact cams, something which is a challenge for the crown prince of low noise : Canon

If the new cam is not a significant step up from the Canon G2 (which i got i 2001) it is a sad commentry on the entire digicam market. The G2 is 5 years old. That qould equal to atleast 5 generations in the digi cam space.

Oly C8080 as actually better that the G2 and Pro1 and it has a wide angle lens.
The G7 is sad.
As far as compact digicam market is concerned its ruled by three things
1. MegaPixel
2. ISO capability
3. Shake reduction
Everything else can take a walk
The Canon TX1 is a running commentry on this fact
Lousy camera
Lousy lens
Lousy sensor
but supposedly great cam to have.
If you can afford it go for the Digilux. Consider it a revenge from my side on ICE people(you guys make a 15K budget go to 30K) so I thought I will make your 700$ budget go to 2000$

As for the GX100 which you like so much, it does not have great image quality, but all the features, if image quality is not a criteria and you are willing to live with grain and ISO 100 thats the best.
Otherwise you should consider the F31FD,.
The internal flash is good enough and in many places with IS800 you do not need a flash.
If you are not willing to compromise on anything
"wide angle" "External flash" "High IQ" "Low noise" "SMALL SIZE" you need to buy a Leica Digilux 3.
If you are willing to compromize on Size you can get many stalwart camers, including an R1, but fitting an R1 in a laptop bag is a difficult squeeze.

[navin]

Originally Posted by HellwratH

Welcome to the world of cameras.. .. over next few months if you put two hours everyday on various forums

Or the new version of it.. S5 IS

Forums have limited use. THe best is to play with a camera.

If you want a long zoom camera play with these...
Fuji S6500fd 10x zoom and 1/1.65" sensor
Panasonic FZ8 12x zoom and usable IS

[navin]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Actually Fuji F31fd is the cleanest cams.
Oly C8080 as actually better that the G2
As for the GX100 which you like so much, it does not have great image quality...Otherwise you should consider the F31FD,.
The internal flash is good enough and in many places with IS800

Actually the F31fd is a great camera. current too. Not 28mm nor a hot shoe but otherwise it is really nice. My cousin sister has one. She shoots in jpg and it makes good images with no post processing.

The GX100 is like my P990 so close and yet so far! :-) I really wish the guys at Ricoh had thought of a 6MP version on the same sensor. It would have dropped noise down. After all the GX100 is not priced like a typical consumer cam.

The C8080 is better than the G2 and has 28mm but is alos quite old. Wonder why Oly did not continue in that vein.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by navin

The C8080 is better than the G2 and has 28mm but is alos quite old. Wonder why Oly did not continue in that vein.

Not just Oly everybody abandoned prosumers even sony to an extent.
Sony F828, Canon Pro1 Oly 8080 Konica Minolta A7 etc., were all landmark cams for their time.
You want a whip out cam. Whip out point shoot.
Stick the external flash to DSLR
You have the Choice of the D-Lux 3 from Leica which is cheaper than Digilux. Almost same came with no external flash, but the inbuilt flash on those cams has a "bounce mode"
Go figure!

[whatcanthisbe]

i just asked on another forum for someone to find out the price of the nikon d80 in bkk,, they said it is 48,000 Bhat (62,000 Rs) that is wierd i thought this stuff was cheaper in BKK, anyone know if the price i got was correct?

[navin]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Sony F828, Canon Pro1 Oly 8080 Konica Minolta A7 etc., were all landmark cams for their time.

Man Leica will leave me nothing for ICE.

[Mr.Bangalore]

Originally Posted by whatcanthisbe

i just asked on another forum for someone to find out the price of the nikon d80 in bkk,, they said it is 48,000 Bhat (62,000 Rs) that is wierd i thought this stuff was cheaper in BKK, anyone know if the price i got was correct?

hey check out ebay it is going around 55k around...

eBay India - NIKON DSLR D80, NIKON DSLR D80 Digital Cameras, Digital SLR items at low prices

cheers

[whatcanthisbe]

i can get it for 47K in india with B&W
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Nikon D80
Digital SLR Camera (10 Megapixel)
with Nikon AF-S 18-135mm DX G ED Lens
Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL3e
Quick Charger
Audio Video Cable
USB Cable
Strap
Body cap
Eyepiece Cap
Rubber Eyecup
LCD monitor cover
Accessory shoe cover
Picture Project CD-ROM


47000 with B&W

[HellwratH]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Guys,

But have one simple question. Is the kodak Z612 still available? Its 6MP, 12x prosumer camera.

Look what I found for you buddy,

Kodak Easyshare Z612 Digital Camera - 6 Megapixel

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by navin

what about indoors or in low light enviroments. Stepping up the ISO induces grain.

I rarely take indoor photos. That's when I switch to auto and builtin flash.

[satish_appasani]

I have almost decided to buy Oly E510 body only and Oly 14-54 lens. Total it is costing me about 1200USD.
Cheaper prices of pro lens compared to Canon and Nikon made me decide on this. Also the reviews are coming out great for E-410/E-510. The reviews about built in IS in 510 shows it is effective. There seems to some problem with Dynamic range but i am just a hobbyist and i don't have sharp eye to see the difference.

Thank Samurai for the info & suggestions.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by satish_appasani

I have almost decided to buy Oly E510 body only and Oly 14-54 lens. Total it is costing me about 1200USD.
Cheaper prices of pro lens compared to Canon and Nikon made me decide on this. Also the reviews are coming out great for E-410/E-510. The reviews about built in IS in 510 shows it is effective. There seems to some problem with Dynamic range but i am just a hobbyist and i don't have sharp eye to see the difference.

Thank Samurai for the info & suggestions.

Great choice Satish. Don't worry too much about dynamic range. Except for Fuji, nobody else can cover much out of the box. I am not sure about your price though.
the Kit(14-45) costs 850$ from big stores like B&H. body only is 800$.
the 14-54 costs 400$ but is slightly better than the 14-45 kit lens.
So its like 50$ vs 400$.
Not a good deal I say.
Oly kit lens is great stick to it, and save up that extra moolah for a 11mm on wide end lens if you are a landscape freak or on a 300mm on long end if birds are your forte

[Samurai]

You are welcome Satish, the E-510 is certainly receiving great reviews from both professional reviewers and users.

Here is the only professional review available as of now: Olympus EVOLT E-510 full review Cameralabs introduction

The 14-54mm F2.8-3.5 is a fantastic high grade allrounder lens giving 28-108EFL. If you want only one 4/3 lens, this is the one to have.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

the Kit(14-45) costs 850$ from big stores like B&H. body only is 800$.
the 14-54 costs 400$ but is slightly better than the 14-45 kit lens.
So its like 50$ vs 400$.

Well, it is a better lens. The 14-54 is a high grade lens which is dust proof and splash proof. It can focus at minimum of 22cm vs 38cm of the cheaper lens. Finally it matches the size of the body much better than the smaller lens. Gives a really good balance. It is worth the price difference.