Designing a new website

deepakvrao · 24th July 2008, 00:29

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Originally Posted by NetfreakBombay

Designing a decent products website where you can edit text easily if you want to, would cost 25- 30k (Plus around 7k per year for hosting + maintenance).

That's ridiculous - I spend about Rs:1,600 per year for hosting and I design myself - so that's the total that I spend.

NetfreakBombay · 24th July 2008, 08:38

1,600 Rs is fine, thats what I spend per year too ($24 per year) for hosting.

But my site is just a personal site and it does not really matter if its down for a few hours or some emails are missed.

If you business will be impacted based on looks / stability of your website then this 1,600 package is something you should stay away from.

deepakvrao · 24th July 2008, 10:29

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Originally Posted by NetfreakBombay

1,600 Rs is fine, thats what I spend per year too ($24 per year) for hosting.

But my site is just a personal site and it does not really matter if its down for a few hours or some emails are missed.

If you business will be impacted based on looks / stability of your website then this 1,600 package is something you should stay away from.

I'm sorry, I correct myself - I pay I about 60 USD per year and I have NEVER had a downtime in the last 4-5 years or so. The service I use is ICDSoft.com and they have great reviews everywhere. They have a great back up system as well. I have also used Dreamhost.com to set up a photography forum and they give HUGE bandwidth and storage at very decent prices BUT the support is not as good. Here we have had a very occasional downtime.

I would strongly recommend these two services and would suggest the ICDSoft if you dont need much space/bandwidth and you need good support. I would recommend Dreamhost if your space requirements and bandwidth requirements are more and you dont need much help in setting up your site.

Rashmi Nursing Home is on ICDSoft.com

Welcome to the Bangalore Photography Club! is on Dreamhost.com

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srijit · 24th July 2008, 10:36

M2s, have you deleted the "installation" folder in the local system? You can login only after that, I think. You can also try the password resend option, or the ones below.

Hope these help. Or you can just re-install again on the local system

Also, please do NOT go with GoDaddy. They are horrible. I'll PM better options.

NetfreakBombay · 24th July 2008, 11:24

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Originally Posted by deepakvrao

I'm sorry, I correct myself - I pay I about 60 USD per year and I have NEVER had a downtime in the last 4-5 years or so. The service I use is ICDSoft.com and they have great reviews everywhere.

Compliments on excellent site. Not too many hospitals clearly give online instructions for patients. Kudos for your efforts.

Regarding downtime and your site, its hard to believe that it has zero downtime. How do you monitor uptime of your site?

At the minimum infamous Apache set of patches that came earlier this year would have required some downtime.

sudev · 24th July 2008, 11:51

@M2S - There are three things that you are trying to accomplish. One is setup joomla, two learn hosting and three site building.

I would suggest concentrate on one at a time. Take the option of using a pre-built wordpress/joomla site and first get #3 right. Then move on to #2 and finally #1. As I had pm'd you in case wordpress is possibility then m2s.xso.in is waiting for youto log in and start learning a bit about making pages and posts and about making your site useful by use of plugins. In case you want to do joomla I am sure some one here can offer you a bit of space with test joomla setup (heck i would do it my self)

My purpose was to show to users here how easy it is to do site yourself and get it looking prefessional and useful in relatively easy steps. As i mentioned during last week only I have setup and tweaked Desert Storm using wordpress. Joomla is used for the ultimate adventure... the desert storm but I found that for quickly roll out wordpress is great.

You can do all three but be prepared for learning curve.

deepakvrao · 24th July 2008, 13:51

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Originally Posted by NetfreakBombay

Compliments on excellent site. Not too many hospitals clearly give online instructions for patients. Kudos for your efforts.

Regarding downtime and your site, its hard to believe that it has zero downtime. How do you monitor uptime of your site?

At the minimum infamous Apache set of patches that came earlier this year would have required some downtime.

Thanks for the kind words.

This is from ICD site

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We keep a spare/standby server in each server rack. If a production server fails, it will be immediately replaced with a spare server, and the latest backup will be restored. In this way, ICDSoft can offer you a 99.9% uptime guarantee.

There is a place where you can see when your server last had a downtime and although I have not checked of late, the last I checked they had had no downtime for more than 12 months.

NetfreakBombay · 24th July 2008, 14:53

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Originally Posted by deepakvrao

last I checked they had had no downtime for more than 12 months.

ICDSoft Uptime Report for July 2008 - Uptime @ Best Hosting ratings

Method that they describe can not avoid downtime but can reduce it.
Since site will be down till spare server is brought online AND your site's data is restored from backups.

Hosts that would have documented 99.99 uptime need to have at_least 2*n of everything. E.g. two servers / two hard disks / two NICs + Multiple IPs for a single site, each IP assigned to a load balancer.

Other then Jargons, what is means is, all data is kept at two or more places and nothing is used more then 50% of capacity. So even if a server fails there is no downtime.

In other words, sites like your or mine do not need 99.999% uptime and we need not worry about it.

Site + email WILL be down for a few hours every year (in aggregate) and we just have to live with it.

married2speed · 24th July 2008, 16:09

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Rashmi Nursing Home is on ICDSoft.com

Great site. I"ll check out the various options that you have mentioned.

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srijit;914180 M2s, have you deleted the "installation" folder in the local system? You can login only after that, I think. You can also try the password resend option, or the ones below.

Yes I did delete and It takes me to a so called hompage. The table that is shown as the home page is that of joomla, something similar to that of a demo page. My question is, how do I edit this as I'm not able to log-in. Reason for not logging -in
a) it does not recogonise the account created at the demo page
b) if i create a new account on local host, I'm not receiving an activation link

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Hope these help. Or you can just re-install again on the local system

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sudev;914292]@M2S - There are three things that you are trying to accomplish. One is setup joomla, two learn hosting and three site building

I would suggest concentrate on one at a time. Take the option of using a pre-built wordpress/joomla site and first get #3 right. Then move on to #2 and finally #1.

That's exactly what I did sudev but instead of doing this on wordpress, I did it on joomla.
At the demo page of joomla, I was able to log-in, edit and basically I got the hang of things. Now, when I installed joomla on a local host and not on any website hosting company, I can see the homepage but cannot edit. Reason why i want to edit before i put it up for hosting is basically to get an "rough" idea as to what my site would really look like. If it's not worth it, then like i'm saying, i would "outsource" this to someone. Is it not possible to do step number 1 first, and then step number 3 and when this is done, upload to step number 2?

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As I had pm'd you in case wordpress is possibility then m2s.xso.in is waiting for youto log in and start learning a bit about making pages and posts and about making your site useful by use of plugins.

Please check the link m2s.xso. You'll understand what my problem is

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My purpose was to show to users here how easy it is to do site yourself and get it looking prefessional and useful in relatively easy steps. As i mentioned during last week only I have setup and tweaked Desert Storm using wordpress. Joomla is used for the ultimate adventure... the desert storm but I found that for quickly roll out wordpress is great.

Should i leave out joomla then. I was so apprehensive that i started off with whatever came my way.

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You can do all three but be prepared for learning curve.

I'm working on joomla already, wordpress also. Don't think I would want to go with the 3rd one, whatever that is called now

Appreciate each and everyone's help. I'm sure that more than me you guys would be frustrated trying to teach me.

Cheers!
M2S

PS: OT @ mods. Is it just my imagination or am i stuck at 120 posts? They don't seem to move on even after posting

Eddy · 24th July 2008, 16:15

Posts in the Shifting Gears section do not add to your post count.

married2speed · 24th July 2008, 16:21

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Eddy;914654]Posts in the Shifting Gears section do not add to your post count.

Thanks mate.

@ srijit & sudev and the others. This is what i get on the "localhost". My question is how to edit this.

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srijit · 24th July 2008, 17:40

er.. M2S,
Are you using the URL below to login to the admin panel?

http://localhost/<Joomla_Folder_Name>/administrator

You can do everything you want in the Admin panel, but not through the frontend login. That is mostly for show

Just replace the words in <> or remove them completely. Also PM me your email and I will send you a tutorial as a PDF

sudev · 31st July 2008, 08:51

Seems M2S has his hands full. I had set up m2s for him to try out Wordpress and post experience here. But since he has not been able todo anything any one else interested in doing a live setup and show how easy/painful it is to setup your own site? deepakvrao?
I am willing to let one person test it out and will give full rights...in exchange of sharing experience of actually doing it with the forum here. Six months of live hosting thrown in. If you can do DNS record seup it can be your domain too or I will provide a subdomain like "xyz.xso.in"

somebodystopme · 5th August 2008, 22:14

Well HTML website is not that Hardnut to crack if you have enough exp of Photoshop and all. But whats a webdesigners work is not only website creation but website Promotion too. Thats where proffesionals come in. Anyway "married to speed" have sent you a PM bro do check it..

sudev · 5th August 2008, 22:29

@somebodystopme
Yep promotion comes later on but you have modules for SEO also available and they do as efficient job if you generate proper tags.

I do not see any m2s messages. May be you have better knowledge.

24th July 2008, 08:38	#32
NetfreakBombay Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,481 Thanked: 1,130 Times	1,600 Rs is fine, thats what I spend per year too ($24 per year) for hosting. But my site is just a personal site and it does not really matter if its down for a few hours or some emails are missed. If you business will be impacted based on looks / stability of your website then this 1,600 package is something you should stay away from.
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24th July 2008, 10:36	#34
srijit BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 598 Thanked: 8 Times	M2s, have you deleted the "installation" folder in the local system? You can login only after that, I think. You can also try the password resend option, or the ones below. Method 1 Method 2, same as method 1, with more explanation Method 3 - creates the query for you Hope these help. Or you can just re-install again on the local system Also, please do NOT go with GoDaddy. They are horrible. I'll PM better options.
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24th July 2008, 11:51	#36
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,863 Thanked: 3,253 Times	@M2S - There are three things that you are trying to accomplish. One is setup joomla, two learn hosting and three site building. I would suggest concentrate on one at a time. Take the option of using a pre-built wordpress/joomla site and first get #3 right. Then move on to #2 and finally #1. As I had pm'd you in case wordpress is possibility then m2s.xso.in is waiting for youto log in and start learning a bit about making pages and posts and about making your site useful by use of plugins. In case you want to do joomla I am sure some one here can offer you a bit of space with test joomla setup (heck i would do it my self) My purpose was to show to users here how easy it is to do site yourself and get it looking prefessional and useful in relatively easy steps. As i mentioned during last week only I have setup and tweaked Desert Storm using wordpress. Joomla is used for the ultimate adventure... the desert storm but I found that for quickly roll out wordpress is great. You can do all three but be prepared for learning curve.
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Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,567 Thanked: 14,537 Times	Posts in the Shifting Gears section do not add to your post count.
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srijit BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 598 Thanked: 8 Times	er.. M2S, Are you using the URL below to login to the admin panel? http://localhost/<Joomla_Folder_Name>/administrator You can do everything you want in the Admin panel, but not through the frontend login. That is mostly for show Just replace the words in <> or remove them completely. Also PM me your email and I will send you a tutorial as a PDF
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31st July 2008, 08:51	#43
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,863 Thanked: 3,253 Times	Seems M2S has his hands full. I had set up m2s for him to try out Wordpress and post experience here. But since he has not been able todo anything any one else interested in doing a live setup and show how easy/painful it is to setup your own site? deepakvrao? I am willing to let one person test it out and will give full rights...in exchange of sharing experience of actually doing it with the forum here. Six months of live hosting thrown in. If you can do DNS record seup it can be your domain too or I will provide a subdomain like "xyz.xso.in"
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somebodystopme BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 519 Thanked: 43 Times View My Garage	Well HTML website is not that Hardnut to crack if you have enough exp of Photoshop and all. But whats a webdesigners work is not only website creation but website Promotion too. Thats where proffesionals come in. Anyway "married to speed" have sent you a PM bro do check it..
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5th August 2008, 22:29	#45
sudev Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,863 Thanked: 3,253 Times	@somebodystopme Yep promotion comes later on but you have modules for SEO also available and they do as efficient job if you generate proper tags. I do not see any m2s messages. May be you have better knowledge.
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