[swiftnfurious]

IAB drives the 90 bhp & this is what they have to say!

Thanks to the upgrade, the car now feels swifter and adequately powerful but under 2000rpm, there prevails a considerable amount of lag which forces you to work that not so sporty gearshift a little too much. The power delivery is very abrupt and downshifting during higher rpm is rough. If you put the pedal to the metal, you can feel that the car is a little sporty than its regular version since the engine now produces more power but the gearbox and the chassis spoil the fun.

More details: http://indianautosblog.com/2012/12/d...rajet-90-57253

[sushantr5]

I personally own Vista QJD and clocked 90,000 kms within four years. Here is my view for new launch.

As a contrary to what other people say about handling of Vista, I would say it is not that bad. Though it is not in the league of figo's and swift's but sufficiently good for normal joe. Infact it is way better than some of the competitors. What you get as a trade of to this, excellent and plush ride quality which I bet any car till segment above will match. It is way better than figo and swift. I have driven figo and swifts for sizable chunk of kilometers, approximately more than 10,000 kilometers cumulative. Vista comes with superior highway stability and mile crunching ability which has been appreciated by swift and figo owner friends. Now Vista is always prefered for long drive if we friends want to set out. While driving Pune to Banglore one of my friend who owns figo driven it for two hours continuously with 140 kmph. He exactely covered 200 kms in exact two hours. He was in awe because he said figo can not do this as figo is terribly underpowered for highway.

Much is said about Tata motors service centers. I would say that it is at par industry quality. I have never experienced a single let down moment in last four years. I have been servicing my car with Pandit, old B.U.Bhandari, Concorde in pune. I faced big let down only once when I gave my car for servicing to private multibrand garage which is very famous on Team-BHP, Shetty Garage in Baner. And regarding resale price, I am pretty sure it is way better than other cars except swift.

Now coming to new launch. Vista is definitely good package. Only sore point was central console. Which has been corrected in new launch. As per my opinion extra 15 bhp will not turn as many buyers as new dashboard. Definitely sales will increase but not as expected because of the Indica Branding. Most of my urban friends turn away due to Brand Indica. Indica was the reason for Tata Motors RISE and FALL. Infact Vista is all new car on all new flatform, still after four years people say that it is old indica with new body shape. Surprisingly in Villages Indica still has good name. It is associated with rugged and solid.

Indica Vista was the opportunity lost by tata motors in year 2008. They could have named it something different. But their emotional attachement with Indica name was shot in their own foot. Same goes with Manza. Now whatever they try to emphasize 'Vista' but bad name earned is bad name forever. Now the battle is lost and tata motors should let it go. Just for quick remedy, they should launch new car on Vista platform with bodyshell changes. Name it different and gather the numbers. Leave Indica and Indigo names for taxi markets.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

IAB drives the 90 bhp & this is what they have to say!

More details: http://indianautosblog.com/2012/12/d...rajet-90-57253

From the dashboard picture, it looks like they've replaced the MID in Manza with regular clock for Vista 90.

On the pricing front, I guess they've really hit a sweet spot: VX-6.03L, ZX-6.63L (source)

Not sure if anyone would want the LX Quadrajet anymore.

[rkg]

Originally Posted by sushantr5

I personally own Vista QJD and clocked 90,000 kms within four years. Here is my view for new launch.

As a contrary to what other people say about handling of Vista, I would say it is not that bad. Though it is not in the league of figo's and swift's but sufficiently good for normal joe. Infact it is way better than some of the competitors. What you get as a trade of to this, excellent and plush ride quality which I bet any car till segment above will match. It is way better than figo and swift. I have driven figo and swifts for sizable chunk of kilometers, approximately more than 10,000 kilometers cumulative. Vista comes with superior highway stability and mile crunching ability which has been appreciated by swift and figo owner friends. Now Vista is always prefered for long drive if we friends want to set out. While driving Pune to Banglore one of my friend who owns figo driven it for two hours continuously with 140 kmph. He exactely covered 200 kms in exact two hours. He was in awe because he said figo can not do this as figo is terribly underpowered for highway.

Much is said about Tata motors service centers. I would say that it is at par industry quality. I have never experienced a single let down moment in last four years. I have been servicing my car with Pandit, old B.U.Bhandari, Concorde in pune. I faced big let down only once when I gave my car for servicing to private multibrand garage which is very famous on Team-BHP, Shetty Garage in Baner. And regarding resale price, I am pretty sure it is way better than other cars except swift.

Now coming to new launch. Vista is definitely good package. Only sore point was central console. Which has been corrected in new launch. As per my opinion extra 15 bhp will not turn as many buyers as new dashboard. Definitely sales will increase but not as expected because of the Indica Branding. Most of my urban friends turn away due to Brand Indica. Indica was the reason for Tata Motors RISE and FALL. Infact Vista is all new car on all new flatform, still after four years people say that it is old indica with new body shape. Surprisingly in Villages Indica still has good name. It is associated with rugged and solid.

Indica Vista was the opportunity lost by tata motors in year 2008. They could have named it something different. But their emotional attachement with Indica name was shot in their own foot. Same goes with Manza. Now whatever they try to emphasize 'Vista' but bad name earned is bad name forever. Now the battle is lost and tata motors should let it go. Just for quick remedy, they should launch new car on Vista platform with bodyshell changes. Name it different and gather the numbers. Leave Indica and Indigo names for taxi markets.

Fully agree with you regarding the Highway comfort. No fatigue at all.

Have you changed the suspension?

Mine has done 64K. Concorde says, there is oil leak in left front shocks and change it.

As per them strut does not come alone, entire assembly with coil has to be changed.

Further they say the front right side toe ball joint developed a play and needs to be changed

Iam getting lot of noise when the car passes over uneven/pot holed roads. On plain rods it is ok

[sushantr5]

Originally Posted by rkg

Fully agree with you regarding the Highway comfort. No fatigue at all.

Have you changed the suspension?

Mine has done 64K. Concorde says, there is oil leak in left front shocks and change it.

As per them strut does not come alone, entire assembly with coil has to be changed.

Further they say the front right side toe ball joint developed a play and needs to be changed

I am getting lot of noise when the car passes over uneven/pot holed roads. On plain rods it is ok

Oil leak in Gas filled shocks. I am not sure whether there should be any oil leakage. My toe ball joints are replaced @40k under warranty. Regarding noise over unpaved road may be due to worn on Brake Pads or Brake Disc.

[KiloAlpha]

Originally Posted by rkg

Further they say the front right side toe ball joint developed a play and needs to be changed

Iam getting lot of noise when the car passes over uneven/pot holed roads. On plain rods it is ok

Had the same issue (noise when driving over potholes) with my car. I sat with mechanic of FNG to open up the suspension and diagnose the issue.

In this case, I would say that Concorde could be right. I did similar replacement on my car and the noise disappeared for good. Just ensure that you replace in pairs and not just one side.

[rkg]

Originally Posted by sushantr5

Oil leak in Gas filled shocks. I am not sure whether there should be any oil leakage. My toe ball joints are replaced @40k under warranty. Regarding noise over unpaved road may be due to worn on Brake Pads or Brake Disc.

The struts did have oil inside.

I was complaining to them since last one year. they did replace ball bearings on the left side ( paid service)
now warranty is over

Entire assembly with coil spring and strut is 3400/- + labour for one side

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha;

Had the same issue (noise when driving over potholes) with my car. I sat with mechanic of FNG to open up the suspension and diagnose the issue.

In this case, I would say that Concorde could be right. I did similar replacement on my car and the noise disappeared for good. Just ensure that you replace in pairs and not just one side.

I will check up with concorde and see what can be done. Iam not too sure of their service levels post warranty. Iam not fully satisfied even with in warranty.

They have shown me only right side toe joint is moving a little. left side one not at all
moving

[sushantr5]

I think we are moving off the thread. Lets stick to 90bhp Vista Launch. Other problems can be discussed in Problems and solution thread.

[simplyself]

Originally Posted by sushantr5

I personally own Vista QJD and clocked 90,000 kms within four years. Here is my view for new launch.

I second that. I felt more confident in a Vista than in Swift while driving around 120 - 130 kmph. Ride is a lot more comfortable in a Vista. Swift handles better but I am not in acing so Vista's handling is adequate for me. With a lot more space and relatively high driver's seat, which makes for good visibility and ingress and egress easy, I would go for a Vista QJD.

The 90 HP version will not be ground shakingly quicker than the 75 HP one.Though top speed may increase significantly, it may not be very much quicker through gears.

But with killer pricing, it will do well, and with radically different exteriors it may sour high.

[amitayu]

SO, this one will have different interiors, including a shift in the central console? Guess that will add to product differentiation.

However, i do not understand this TATA fetish about black painted rooftops. I mean, what is so special about it that makes it a special feature?

[Abhi_abarth]

Finally Tata seemed to have heard our cries. The center console was the prime reason for losing potential customers.

If not the 90 hp version they would have atleast launched the car with the instrument console behind the steering initially which would have got them some numbers.

[CRtorquefan]

Originally Posted by Abhi_abarth

If not the 90 hp version they would have atleast launched the car with the instrument console behind the steering initially which would have got them some numbers.

Exactly.

This was the main reason that I left even considering Vista in my purchase list.

Expect this change to be introduced into its other variants also within an year(Quadrajet & Safire petrol only), but not TDi as spare this bare-bone basic variant with such differentiating features.

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by simplyself

I second that. I felt more confident in a Vista than in Swift while driving around 120 - 130 kmph. Ride is a lot more comfortable in a Vista. Swift handles better but I am not in acing so Vista's handling is adequate for me. With a lot more space and relatively high driver's seat, which makes for good visibility and ingress and egress easy, I would go for a Vista QJD.

The 90 HP version will not be ground shakingly quicker than the 75 HP one.Though top speed may increase significantly, it may not be very much quicker through gears.

But with killer pricing, it will do well, and with radically different exteriors it may sour high.

I am sorry but it no where near Swift in terms of handling. My cousin owns one from the first batch of Vista's and I was scared to wits taking it over 100 kph on the highway with 5 people on board. The brakes arent up to mark, the suspension is too soft and don't even think about an emergency lane change manoeuvre lets you want to torture the occupant of the car. I am not sure how much has the new car improved but its a very average car on the highway.

[Vishal.R]

Any idea about expected launch date?

Inquired at two different TATA dealerships in Pune, sales representatives did not reveal any information.

At Pandit , Tilak Road (on 8th Dec), nobody appeared to be aware about Quadrajet 90 bhp.
At National, Hadapsar (on 15th Dec), When I asked specifically about Quadrajet 90, SR told It may take 2,3 months.

[Maverick1977]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

I am sorry but it no where near Swift in terms of handling. My cousin owns one from the first batch of Vista's and I was scared to wits taking it over 100 kph on the highway with 5 people on board. The brakes arent up to mark, the suspension is too soft and don't even think about an emergency lane change manoeuvre lets you want to torture the occupant of the car. I am not sure how much has the new car improved but its a very average car on the highway.

I am sorry but I definitely beg top differ with you sir. My Vista is also from the 1st batch and I have driven at 155 km/h for a good distance and mind you that too with my family on board. Surprisingly my parents (in the back seat) didn't even realize the speeds. I will never forget my dad's comment that although he didn't feel the speed, he just felt that the scenery was moving too fast.
I have also had a few close calls on the highway (in one case a Tata 407 driver stretched himself to close the left door properly and his vehicle suddenly swayed to the right). I had to change lanes in a split second and although the experience was unnerving, the car not only changed lanes but also maintained its stability. My family was also shaken (who wouldn't be) with the incident, but then it would have happened to any one in any car.

Also what's the harm in giving multiple engine options? Isn't the Indian market supposed to be maturing? Most manufacturers offer multiple engine options in Europe and US, then what's the harm if an Indian manufacturer is trying to do the same here? However Tata's need top ensure that the SA is well trained and is able to talk to the customer, know his needs and address it properly. I know that a tough call since I have seen ill trained SA's in even the European brand showrooms. MSIL is no better, still remember when I had asked the SA at one of the showroom's the difference between BS3 & 4. pat came the reply - BS4 cars are safer than BS3. When asked for more details with respect to the Alto, his reply 'BS4 Alto has better brakes'. What more can I say?