Team-BHP > BHP India > The Indian Car Scene


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 23rd October 2018, 15:36   #406
BHPian
 
ferrarirules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Faridabad
Posts: 154
Thanked: 312 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

I am not able to understand why is everyone comparing Santro with Tiago. Tiago has been there for long and has been under priced than Wagon-R but still it has not made even a small dent in the Wagon-R numbers.

Hyundai has priced Santro comparable to Wagon-R which is the segment leader. With the brand equity that Hyundai and the "Santro" name enjoys over Tata, this will beat Tiago any day. Maruti will be worried as they are offering more features and plus their base model with CNG (Taxi Segment favourite) is equally priced to Wagon-R.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PrideRed View Post
Despite the strong brand image, I feel Santro will have tough time . For one the entry segment is fading, even first time buyers prefer bigger car. Secondly consumers are better educated, thanks to Internet. The biggest advantage other than name I see w.r.to competition is 4 cylinder motor.

I disagree that the entry level segment is fading. It might be somewhat true for the Tier 1 cities but nowhere true for Tier 2 and 3 cities. Yes, hatchback or compact sedan sales have picked up in the last few years but entry level segment is still going strong.

Last edited by ferrarirules : 23rd October 2018 at 15:53. Reason: merging posts
ferrarirules is offline   (7) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 15:36   #407
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: DL9C
Posts: 2,812
Thanked: 2,927 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Quote:
Originally Posted by PraNeel View Post
Hyundai has given a 4 cylinder engine and that is a real differentiator in segment where 3 cylinder engine is the norm.
I see Magna and Sportz as the highest selling variants.
Ok, so Hyundai wants me to choose between my (driver) comfort or passenger's safety? I can't pick an automatic and also ensure it's safe for my co-passenger (no airbag!).

I have to either pick 2 airbags or automatic - can't have both. Whoever designed the variants must be a genius.
Dry Ice is offline   (20) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 15:46   #408
BHPian
 
Rshrey22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Delhi
Posts: 218
Thanked: 353 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

What one needs to do if he/she is buying the Santro, is that they purchase the top end Asta variant and take 2.5 lac loan, so you get a nicely equipped car for around 3.8 lacs and a loan which is easy to pay back.
This way, it won't hurt your pocket while you still can enjoy some advanced features and still be on a budget.
Rshrey22 is offline  
Old 23rd October 2018, 16:34   #409
Senior - BHPian
 
Arjun Reddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,367
Thanked: 2,278 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hemanth.anand View Post
The cheapest trim - Dlite Petrol Manual will be around 4,87,000 and the most expensive trim - CNG Sportz will be around 7,06,000. Quite steep IMO. Also we have to keep in mind that these prices are bound to increase after 50,000 cars have been sold

If I can remember right, I bought the I10 Grand Asta automatic for around 7 Lakhs OTR Bangalore 3 years ago. So the top spec versions of the Santro a pretty steeply priced for an entry level car. Just checked that the I10 automatic is around 8.5 lakhs( current OTR) and they are running discounts of around 80k.
Arjun Reddy is online now  
Old 23rd October 2018, 17:00   #410
BHPian
 
drnilswap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Nagpur
Posts: 46
Thanked: 106 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Though I’ve never owned a hyundai before or had one in family, that tv advt featuring Accent, surely made me nostalgic. I loved the Hyundai Accent unconditionally. It still turns my head everytime I see one on the road. Though not in market for a car in this segment, I was hoping for something really special from Hyundai. And boy didn’t they do that really, and how!! A family car, in this day and age that doesn’t have air conditioning as a standard feature? You surely took me twenty years back, Hyundai.
drnilswap is offline   (2) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 17:17   #411
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,783
Thanked: 1,335 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjun Reddy View Post
If I can remember right, I bought the I10 Grand Asta automatic for around 7 Lakhs OTR Bangalore 3 years ago. So the top spec versions of the Santro a pretty steeply priced for an entry level car. Just checked that the I10 automatic is around 8.5 lakhs( current OTR) and they are running discounts of around 80k.
Only problem is, the i10 Grand Auto is a 4 speed TC, which is a guzzler. I am sure i10 will come with the AMT within 6 months. When it happens, price difference will be the only reason for someone to pick the Santro.

Last edited by Guna : 23rd October 2018 at 17:22.
Guna is online now  
Old 23rd October 2018, 18:48   #412
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 642
Thanked: 1,731 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ksameer1234 View Post
Even the response here is odd. I was expecting a lot of posts from members with their views on the launch, maybe even some live posts from the event.
+1

A few hours from launch, the response on this thread too has been lukewarm. The thread does not even take the top spot on the forum, on the day of launch.

The next-gen Hyundai Santro-untitled.png

In comparison, the Tata Tiago thread has some 5-6 pages of comments immediately post the pricing announcement. A very crude way to compare the interest levels, but still some benchmark.

Hyundai missed out on giving the Santro a really contemporary design. Agreed the original Santro was not a looker, but 20 years back you could get away with function over form. They probably offered the best value for money + quality + a very torquey engine that differentiated the product.

In 2018, you cannot just milk on your past success (unless you are Maruti Suzuki, of course). Competition is higher, People have more disposable income and are much better informed. Hyundai, there were certainly higher expectations from Santro V2.

That said, competition is always good and as a customer it is always a win-win.

Last edited by sachinayak : 23rd October 2018 at 18:52.
sachinayak is offline   (3) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 18:56   #413
Distinguished - BHPian
 
saket77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Ranchi
Posts: 3,626
Thanked: 6,539 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

With the pricing, I just hope that naming the car as 'Santro' doesn't back fire! That too after all the hype and hoopla of 'name the car contest'. Most of us remember the Santro being almost an entry level hatch-back with competitive pricing. Some other name could have been better if the plan was to price it at premium.

Marketing failure or cashing on the goodwill of the old Santro, only time will tell.

Regards,
Saket.

Last edited by saket77 : 23rd October 2018 at 18:59.
saket77 is offline   (4) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 19:46   #414
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: bangalore
Posts: 347
Thanked: 318 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

6.50 lakh rupees on road for Asta Manual, the only variant with dual airbags. Santro definitely does not fit in to value for money bracket. I could understand a little premium attached to pricing but this is outright expensive. Tiago and Ford Freestyle are better alternatives to the top end variant.
needforspeed88 is offline   (3) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 20:14   #415
BHPian
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Mysore-Bangalor
Posts: 136
Thanked: 89 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

The VFM factor looks missing. Tiago undercuts this. Not much gap b/w swift lower variants and this. Freestyle variants till Titanium are a lakh or below off variant to variant with everything they has to offer (higher segment, driving dynamics, safety kit primarily the titanium). We may not call this an entry level hatch no more i guess with these prices. My money stays where it is though.

They might need SRK magic. Waiting for the official drive impressions.

Last edited by Adi22 : 23rd October 2018 at 20:26. Reason: added new details
Adi22 is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 20:21   #416
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 321
Thanked: 569 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Quote:
Originally Posted by PrideRed View Post
Despite the strong brand image, I feel Santro will have tough time . For one the entry segment is fading, even first time buyers prefer bigger car. Secondly consumers are better educated, thanks to Internet. The biggest advantage other than name I see w.r.to competition is 4 cylinder motor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrarirules View Post
I am not able to understand why is everyone comparing Santro with Tiago. Tiago has been there for long and has been under priced than Wagon-R but still it has not made even a small dent in the Wagon-R numbers.


I disagree that the entry level segment is fading. It might be somewhat true for the Tier 1 cities but nowhere true for Tier 2 and 3 cities.
Strongly disagree that the Tiago has failed to create a dent in Wagon R sales. Most of the Wagon R sales are CNG cabs. The Tiago sells close to 10000 a month, which would be far higher than WagonR white board sales.

I would buy a Tiago without a thought but I won't even consider a WagonR , leave alone test drive it. Tiago fares average when it comes to reliability, which I am fine with having been used to Fords.

The real problem is the Santro is not priced like an entry level car and hence the debate is unwarranted. The variant with AC, which is the bare minimum any sane person will buy is 4.25 L showroom, will be 5L on road. The base Ignis has better features and would coat only 25 K more and is a much more premium car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rshrey22 View Post
What one needs to do if he/she is buying the Santro, is that they purchase the top end Asta variant and take 2.5 lac loan, so you get a nicely equipped car for around 3.8 lacs and a loan which is easy to pay back.
This way, it won't hurt your pocket while you still can enjoy some advanced features and still be on a budget.
Instead take a 3 lakh loan and get a Ford Freestyle Trend Petrol. Packs a punch at 95 HP despite being a 3 cylinder. The interiors, space and dynamics are all far superior.

Last edited by Ragavsr : 23rd October 2018 at 20:24.
Ragavsr is offline   (2) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 20:34   #417
Senior - BHPian
 
aaggoswami's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vadodara
Posts: 4,769
Thanked: 1,823 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Had a brief look at new Santro.

1. Rear seat base is not that bad, there was reasonable under-thigh support with sufficient headroom. However, the seat back was a bit upright to my liking plus those pathetic (might sound harsh) fixed headrests weren't helping either. Strictly budget. Rear seat shoulder room is not good. Two adults of my size means rear seat would be fully occupied. Legroom at rear was Ok-ish. Can rival Celerio, but Wagon R is in different league when it comes to rear space. Rear A/C vents are placed too low.

2. Front seat to floor ratio is good, seat is reasonably good. However, its placeda bit to0 near to the B-pillar. I felt my shoulder was hitting B-pillar while I was seated. Fixed headrest here was of no use. Of the fixed headrest designs, Liva had a better one. View from front seat is nice, makes the cabin feel airy while improving front visibility. Front visibility would be a good reason to buy this car as a city centric hatch in my view.

3. Gear lever is from Grand i10. Shift quality wasnt good, but then this was a brand new parked car.

4. Hyundai could have avoided the "pull type" door handle. Doesn't look or feel nice, a fact accentuated by higher than expected price tag.

5 Boot space is Ok-ish again, one step lower than Grand i10. The hatch lid is not having full cover from inside. A typical Hyundai Santro trait I guess, there was finished-yet-exposed metal in the doors of Santro Xing.

6. Interior plastic quality and fit and finish are better aspects of cabin. Glovebox is well finished, but I expected more.

7. While operating doors, I felt that its fully one step lower than Grand i10. At the price, its not a good proposition. Ingress and Egress is not as easy as Wagon R.

My take : If one can afford, Grand i10 with discounts is a better bet any given day. I had K10 Wagon R with me, can confirm that it has much more cabin space than new Santro and has better seats too. Plastic quality of Santro cabin is better than Wagon R. Santro as a product has mixed placement in my view. Not that good yet not that bad. But in current era, I feel its outclassed. Had high expectations, was disappointed.

Last edited by aaggoswami : 23rd October 2018 at 20:39.
aaggoswami is offline   (14) Thanks
Old 23rd October 2018, 21:06   #418
BHPian
 
Carpainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Kolkata
Posts: 360
Thanked: 326 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Well I think after a long time Hyundai has launched a car that is not attractive to look at and not priced properly either ( If I forget the overpricing of Creta when it was launched but now seems value for money). Hyundai has Eon which is doing okay and i10 is a hit. They shouldn't have launched this car just to bring back the brand name. Instead they could have discontinued the Eon and launched Santro at that price range. Would have garnered more interest I believe. And after i20 and Verna with stunning looks, they have finally managed to design a car that is not attractive. And with this pricing one would better buy i10 grand than this.
Carpainter is offline  
Old 23rd October 2018, 21:44   #419
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Tapukara
Posts: 275
Thanked: 457 Times
Infractions: 0/1 (7)
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

The pricing is just to give it an upmarket appeal. Once the early adopters are done buying it, it'll get some 50-60k discounts. It's in Maruti's territory. It can't do 5-digits every month without discounts.
MaheshY1 is offline  
Old 23rd October 2018, 23:08   #420
Senior - BHPian
 
landcruiser123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 1,190
Thanked: 1,696 Times
Default Re: The next-gen Hyundai Santro

Is this a made for India (or BRICS exclusive) car? If yes, I hope we don't get a severely compromised structure.
I think this car would have faded away if not for the 'Santro' nameplate just like how the Celerio would have faded away if not for the AMT.

The pricing of the Asta is dangerously close to the entry level Baleno. And yes, that's a massive difference in terms of size, space and engineering levels.
landcruiser123 is online now   (10) Thanks
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hyundai i15 (or Next Gen i10) CARDEEP The Indian Car Scene 26 3rd August 2013 04:03
SPIED: Next-gen Hyundai Santa Fe/ix45 coming in 2013! RavenAvi The International Automotive Scene 17 11th July 2013 08:50
Hyundai i10 Kappa2 Sportz Next Gen 4WD Test-Drives & Initial Ownership Reports 18 11th July 2012 11:45
Next-Gen Hyundai i30 - Revealed ahead of Frankfurt! Scorcher The International Automotive Scene 39 4th November 2011 09:47
Next gen Hyundai i-10 rumored to get new engine oxyzen The Indian Car Scene 13 15th October 2011 22:07


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 00:07.

Copyright 2000 - 2019, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks