Palio 1.6 GTX v/s Palio 1.6 Sport - Visible Differences

moralfibre · 22nd July 2007, 16:58

4th and 5th gear are overdrive in the Palio GTX/Sport + Petra + Adventure. The only car to not have overdrive in 4th is the S10! Btw, don't you have a new car? Why would you want to open the gear box at this stage?

Whenasked · 22nd July 2007, 17:08

Good work there..

After reading this, I feel I was lucky to buy a 2001 1.2 Palio ELX.

Yes..it has Made in Italy written all over it...

For the rear & front windshield...its by Pelkington(made in Brazil). What's for the newer ones?

Also what about the alternator..for 2001 models..it's imported..

pawan_pullarwar · 22nd July 2007, 20:39

Moral, nice observation. I think these quality were with even older 1.2. I have Oct 01 model. My car does have rotator to bend the seat might be from Tata Johnson. I can not spot other differences in older GTX and 1.2 right now cause I am in USA.

ravikn · 22nd July 2007, 21:19

Thanks a lot MoralFibre for the wonderful thread.

Now I feel was really lucky to get a 2001 Dec 1.6 GTX at a price of 1.9L. I was thinking to buy a new 1.6 sport and then at the last minute changed my mind as 1.6 GTX has ABS and airbags.

merve_extreme · 22nd July 2007, 21:30

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Originally Posted by moralfibre

Merve, do you mean the rubber in between the two doors i.e at the B-Pillar?

yes that one,the one that hides the gap(blacked portion) between the 2 doors.

carfreak · 22nd July 2007, 21:47

a really informative thread moral,thanks a lot man.though personally i do feel that bringing in local parts does affect quality.

vabs78 · 22nd July 2007, 21:55

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Originally Posted by carfreak

though personally i do feel that bringing in local parts does affect quality.

I wonder why..

The OEMs still have quality checks in place. The design and material details are provided to all the vendors. Vendors can't just manufacture anything they like.

Unless the OEMs CHOOSE to go for lesser quality components, I can't see how localization can affect the quality.

pawan_pullarwar · 22nd July 2007, 22:12

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Originally Posted by vabs78

I wonder why..

The OEMs still have quality checks in place. The design and material details are provided to all the vendors. Vendors can't just manufacture anything they like.

Unless the OEMs CHOOSE to go for lesser quality components, I can't see how localization can affect the quality.

Localization affects a quality is true. Some days back even Huyndai made statement that due to localization quality is going poor and they are swithcing back to import parts from Koria

vabs78 · 22nd July 2007, 22:19

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Originally Posted by pawan_pullarwar

Localization affects a quality is true. Some days back even Huyndai made statement that due to localization quality is going poor and they are swithcing back to import parts from Koria

that also means that they don't have sufficient control over their vendors OR that their quality processes are not strong enough to extract quality work from 3rd party vendors

markiv · 22nd July 2007, 22:39

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Originally Posted by vabs78

that also means that they don't have sufficient control over their vendors OR that their quality processes are not strong enough to extract quality work from 3rd party vendors

Especially now that foreign carmakers are sourcing parts from Indian auto ancilliary industry!!

And with these Indian companies even going abroad and making acquisitions

Zappo · 22nd July 2007, 23:31

Actually it is BS to say that localization affects quality. It should not if you have the same standards and quality checks as anywhere else. There is no rocket science in manufacturing things like rubber beadings, headlamp assemblies and similar stuffs which constitute the 70-80% of the car and are the most localized parts. Its just that the companies do not maintain the standards and also to go cheap accept will-do kind of parts. and then when the idea fails they complain.

bottle · 22nd July 2007, 23:36

rather than localization i think cost cutting should be blamed .. any idea what palio was priced at in 2001 ? when dad got the 1.2nv i never would have imagined that we would get a 1.6 sport for almost the same price in around 3 years time

swathyd · 22nd July 2007, 23:39

In india oem makers may be bribing quality controllers.

airfoil · 22nd July 2007, 23:41

Kiran, excellent thread. Its very interesting to know what changes have been incorporated into the newer 1.6's.

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Originally Posted by bottle

edit a quick question. on top of the rear tailgate there is a small plastic piece sticking out. any idea what that is for ?

That's the nozzle for the rear windscreen's wiper.

1100D · 23rd July 2007, 02:49

Is there any change to the exhaust manifold 1.6 sport vs GTX?

22nd July 2007, 16:58	#16
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	4th and 5th gear are overdrive in the Palio GTX/Sport + Petra + Adventure. The only car to not have overdrive in 4th is the S10! Btw, don't you have a new car? Why would you want to open the gear box at this stage?
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Whenasked BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 71 Thanked: 4 Times	Great Thread.. Good work there.. After reading this, I feel I was lucky to buy a 2001 1.2 Palio ELX. Yes..it has Made in Italy written all over it... For the rear & front windshield...its by Pelkington(made in Brazil). What's for the newer ones? Also what about the alternator..for 2001 models..it's imported..
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pawan_pullarwar BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pune - Now in Munich, Germany Posts: 778 Thanked: 129 Times	Moral, nice observation. I think these quality were with even older 1.2. I have Oct 01 model. My car does have rotator to bend the seat might be from Tata Johnson. I can not spot other differences in older GTX and 1.2 right now cause I am in USA.
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ravikn BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 344 Thanked: 25 Times	Thanks a lot MoralFibre for the wonderful thread. Now I feel was really lucky to get a 2001 Dec 1.6 GTX at a price of 1.9L. I was thinking to buy a new 1.6 sport and then at the last minute changed my mind as 1.6 GTX has ABS and airbags.
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22nd July 2007, 21:47	#21
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 599 Thanked: 342 Times	a really informative thread moral,thanks a lot man.though personally i do feel that bringing in local parts does affect quality.
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Zappo Team-BHP Support Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,922 Thanked: 2,699 Times	Actually it is BS to say that localization affects quality. It should not if you have the same standards and quality checks as anywhere else. There is no rocket science in manufacturing things like rubber beadings, headlamp assemblies and similar stuffs which constitute the 70-80% of the car and are the most localized parts. Its just that the companies do not maintain the standards and also to go cheap accept will-do kind of parts. and then when the idea fails they complain.
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bottle Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,634 Thanked: 274 Times View My Garage	rather than localization i think cost cutting should be blamed .. any idea what palio was priced at in 2001 ? when dad got the 1.2nv i never would have imagined that we would get a 1.6 sport for almost the same price in around 3 years time
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swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 25 Times	In india oem makers may be bribing quality controllers.
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1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,096 Times View My Garage	Is there any change to the exhaust manifold 1.6 sport vs GTX?
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