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15th November 2021, 12:54 | #631 |
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| Re: Temporary Thread - To be merged with my ownership thread The 215,000 km Update : Part 3Aug 2021 | Tyres get noisier The Michelin Primacy 3STs in my Ertiga had already clocked over a lac Km and that I started to experience a humming noise. We tried a lot to ascertain the cause of this noise isolating the wheel bearings, drive shaft/differential bearings etc but at once decided to swap with another Ertiga and check. Thanks to good friend alokgunhal who visited my place over the weekend and we managed to visit a local puncture shop and do this swap test. Soon after swapping tires, I could immediately feel absolute silence from the tires (when compared to the resonating noise from mine) and it was clear that the culprit were the tires. At least this experiment helped me zero in on the actual culprit behind the noise. Aug 2021 | Tyre rotation and alignment check While I have never ever regularly rotated my tires in both my cars and still have experienced no uneven wear, I decided to try this once along with an alignment job at a local alignment center who is quite popular for his old school technique for alignment. Sadly, despite of tyre rotation and alignment, the noise from the tires remained the same and that is when I decided that it was time to replace the tires even with good life left out of them. Sep 2021 | Light Highway nudge and a bent radiator member This was posted here and happened when I was driving back with my parents from Chikmagalur. Here's the Dashcam grab of the incident: While there was no damage to any external part, I started to experience slight vibration and noise at crawling speeds and that is when I decided to open the bumper to check if something was wrong and boy, I noticed that the radiator member had bent due to the impact and this bending had resulted in the member slightly making contact with the intercooler resulting in vibration and noise at crawling speeds. While the member itself was flimsy, I tried to pull this as much as I could using my hands to increase the gap. I was successful only partially as the noise reduced but not completely. I managed to get the member straightened later when I visited MASS for replacing the engine mounts. Sep 2021 |Tyre replacement to Continental UC6 | 195/60/R15 Having used Michelins for 200,000 km, and having experienced the Continental UC6s on few friends’ cars, I really wanted to shift my loyalty towards the latter this time. Thanks to unavailability of Michelins all over Bangalore, I was sure that continental UC6s would be my next pick. After scouting around a lot of shops in Bangalore, I could finally manage to get 2 sets (One more for friend alokgunhal’s Ertiga) at Tyre Empire HSR layout. In fact, one of my friend when he went to Madhus even enquired about UC6s but they weren’t available. These tires had done ~1.05L km: Sep 2021 | Drive to Western Ghats | 750 Km New tyres means another drive! The very next day after replacing the tyres, a close friend had landed from Mumbai and we decided to head somewhere towards Western Ghats on a Monday morning. Last edited by paragsachania : 15th November 2021 at 14:27. |
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| Re: Temporary Thread - To be merged with my ownership thread The 215,000 km Update : Part 4Sep 2021 | Fixing the High Mount Stop Lamp I noticed that the High mount stop lamp had fused bulbs and this wasn’t happening for the first time. So I opened it up and put the new bulbs only to find that one of them wasn’t glowing even after replacement. Upon closer inspection, I found out that due to heat produced, the circuit wasn’t making proper contacts with the bulb’s terminals and had to bend them little. Oct 2021 | Drive to Goa | 1600 Km For me, this as a drive to Goa that was happening exactly after 3 years which otherwise is at least once a year affair. Nevertheless, Me and my family had great fun on this trip and so did my car. I also happened to meet BHPian friend Ertigait who drove from Madgaon to catch up over some prawns and car talks : Vitamin Sea, something that each of one us including my daughter loves: To avoid the usual suspects entering Goa from Bangalore side on the long weekend, I decided to take the longer route back home by driving down the coastline from Goa all the way to Mangalore (Padubidre) and then start driving east towards Bangalore. Oct 2021 | Ayudha Pooja Return the favor for the two extremely faithful companions. Oct 2021 | Oil Replacement My last oil replacement was when the Odometer was 196,000 km. This was a DIY Service at home. However, I had a planned trip to Gujarat coming up and before this trip, I didn’t really want to bend my back and do anything that will leave me with a hangover during the drive. Hence, took my car to an FNG and got the Oil and filters replaced in under 20 minutes. Oct 2021 |Engine mount replacement I had started to experience vibrations upon cranking the engine and more so while the engine was shutting down. I could easily relate this to weak engine mounts as there were no vibrations felt whatsoever while driving normally. Also, since the car had already clocked more than 200,000 Km, I was sure that replacement of engine mounts should happen as a proactive measure. The MASS didn’t have all 3 mounts in stock when I had called them and hence it took a week for them to arrange the 3 mounts. I heads straight to the service center on a weekend, got all the 3 mounts replaced. While the regular mounts upon inspection were found to be nearly normal without any wear and tear, it was the hydraulic engine mount that had actually become weak. Here is an image I took just before disposing these to a scrap dealer. The difference after these mounts were replaced was immediate, especially from that hydraulic mount. The start was vibration free and with external noise and windows rolled down at the service center, I really had to look at the RPM meter to know if the car had started or not. Due to this, even crawling in B2B traffic started to feel very smooth. Oct 2021 |Car Cleaning I am not a detailing guy. I usually clean the car inside out depending on how dirty it is on occasional basis and yet I ensure that the car is kept clean. After proper wash, I ended up cleaning the car inside out, apply some wax polish and also cleaned the alloys. Last edited by paragsachania : 15th November 2021 at 14:28. |
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| The 215,000 km update The 215,000 km Update : Part 5Nov 2021 |Drive to Aurangabad & Gujarat | Solo Non-stop return from Rajkot to Bangalore | Round trip ~ 4000 Km I prefer to have this trip report as a separate post for there was yet another marathon run that I did and solo with this one. This was happening after long gap (20+ months) and as always, such drives always excite me as they are really long. Plan was to drive parents from Bangalore to Aurangabad while wifey and kid fly to Ahmedabad. I then continue from Aurangabad to Ahmedabad solo, pick them and then continue to Rajkot. Return I drop them again at Gandhinagar so they fly back (the apprehensions about negative RTPCR to enter KA from MH made us do this) while I continue solo to Bangalore. Parents get picked up later in coming months so it gives me yet another reason to drive again ��. Preparations for the drive: The oil change and engine mounts happened before this drive. These 2 were due, irrespective of whether I would drive anywhere or not. Apart from this, there was absolutely nothing that I had to really bother about before embarking on this drive. It is exactly this level of trust and confidence that look forward to in an automobile that I own and drive in future too. I can safely say even today that the WagonR at 260,000 km is as reliable to hit the roads as my Ertiga. Never for a second I had had this thought about the car breaking down in the middle of the journey due to a component failure. The mechanicals and electricals are simple in this car and more than that, they have lasted really well and overshot my expectations – Alternator failure, Compressor failure, Starter motor failure, Turbo Failure – What is that?? Highlights of the drive:
Driving non-stop for 1800 Km: Personally, I will not advocate this to anyone and hence take this as a disclaimer. I have on multiple occasions driven Bangalore to Ahmedabad (1550 km) or even Bangalore to Rajkot (1700 km) non-stop. So, I very well know the following and I always factor all of these before taking up such drives:
Few thumb rules for such drives that I always follow:
A combination of the above attributes have so far helped me take up such drives with absolutely no issues whatsoever. More than any of these things, during such drives, I always keep reminding of myself very frequently that if I am sleepy, I simply need to pull over because getting involved in an incident due to lack of sleep and concentration means a breach of trust with my family that knows I know my limits when it comes to such drives. Here are some of pictures from this drive. Breakfast stop on the way to Aurangabad, during Leg 1: For a change, behind the wheels of my sister's Honda City on the roads of Aurangabad: One of the most beautiful state highways - Aurangabad to Vaijapur: Some lovely landscapes before Saputara Ghat: 2 MPVs that redefined the way we travel long distances: Refuel - For self and the car: Finally, we could manage to catch-up. vigsom, aaggoswami and vishy76, thank you for the good times spent while I crossed Baroda. I also managed to pose with vigsom's extremely well maintained and the original Suzuki Grand Vitara: I reach Gandhinagar and was soon taken to a Kathiawadi Restaurant for dinner. Assorted pickles like are synonymous with such restaurants here: When we drove to Rajkot from Gandhinagar, we stopped for a break en-route and all I ordered was the most loving dish and the most suitable travel companion when on such trips, Theplas: The Highway Food Mall near Limdbi had lean traffic, thanks to festive season in all of Gujarat: Rangeelu (colorful) Rajkot they call for its vibrant and colorful culture compared to any other city in Gujarat. The image doesn't do justice but the way some of the business district areas here were decked up simply bowled me over. This city never slept on all 3 days of Diwali: When in Rajkot, its machine tools. I met my cousin buddy visiting his factory where they had packed these machines to save from pigeon droppings! Factories here are shut down at least for a week post diwali. I have had better Gujju Thaali then this but this was still not bad at all: At my in-laws's, eating dust, which it should not be, ideally: Its Diwali and for me, it was a cracker this time: Khichdi and Masala rice: Ending that with meethu (sweet) Pan: Solo drive from Gandinagar to Bangalore starts: 2 minute quick meet with vigsom again, during the return leg: vigsom's GV, on the highway this time: Refueling at HPCL, Panvel before hitting the Mumbai-Pune expressway: Return non-stop, 1794 km: Total round trip, 3855 km: Average FE (MID) since start of this trip, 19.4 kmpl: Last edited by GTO : 16th November 2021 at 07:30. Reason: Updating post title :) |
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16th November 2021, 09:23 | #634 |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Hi Parag, thanks for penning down your experience. Your suggestions for long distance driving is spot on. The key is to maintain your average speed which i felt during my recent Pune-Gandhinagar trip. I guess the ideal upgrade for you would be the Crysta, very much suits your requirements. |
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16th November 2021, 11:26 | #635 | |
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Could you also elaborate on your sleep habits during such a marathon drive? Do you take frequent small naps or do you sleep for like an hour or two at a petrol bunk? Would be nice to hear that aspect as well! | |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Hi, paragsachania, Thanks for sharing the overall ownership experience. I missed meeting you by a whisker. My Ertiga ZDi+ is also at 1.35L kms as of now. |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Fantastic thread. I've always felt to keep history of parts changed to just see how the parts hold up, especially after being fleeced but never did. Now that I've seen the over-all picture it gives from your documentation I'll be doing that as well. Loved how you've made Ertiga in tune with times with steering mounted controls, damping and sleeves to keep the wires protected. This is a perfect example how cars will be when service center treats every car as their own. I don't mind paying extra when the job is fantastic. But reminds me of car cleaner saying that if he washes every car for hours like I do (for my car) it won't cut enough moolah for him to sustain. Just a query about the tyres running 1L km. I've changed every 45k km once as thumb rule as mentioned in our forum. My Ritz VDi is hitting 1L mark and it's rattling like anything. Love the engine but due to incompetent ASC and their fleecing the drive is far from comfortable. I'm not sure which profession you are (assuming automotive industry given that you are able to identify root cause of every issue and fix them) but like Jagdish Khattar you should consider to start multi brand ASC to help folks like me. You can call it No nonsense service center. |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km I noticed that you changed to 195/60 R15. This size will decrease the ground clearance by about 3 mm. The earlier size helped in slightly higher ground clearance. Plus these tyres also seem a tad smaller around the wheel arches. Maybe you chose them because right now 195/65 R15 from Michelin are just not available in the market. Even I am looking for Michelin 195/65R15 replacement for my earlier XM2's which have now run for 76000 kms and I want to change as now suddenly the frequency of punctures has increased. However I am not getting the upgraded size and would probably settle for 185/65R15 tyres. |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Quote:
The very next day after installing these tyres, 4 adults and luggage in the Ertiga and some broken roads along with large speedbreakers resulted in zero underbelly scrapping. This drive was maximum in Ghats and around 40% on 4 lane roads with speedbreakers on diversions for around 700 km. From Rajkot to Gandhinagar, we were 4 adults and 2 kids and boot totally packed with 3rd row folded. This road too has quite a lot of speedbreakers due to 6 lane expansion work. Underbelly scrapping - NONE! I have now used 185-65 for around 16,000 Km. 205-60 for over 93,000 Km, 195-65 for over 1,05,000 Km and now these tires are already more than 5,000 km run . I somehow wanted to check how the handling gets better with lower profile and boy it did make a lot of difference compared to 195-65! I can now write a book on how each of these tires perform in the Ertiga and thankfully, 195-60 even with 3mm lower GC have not bothered me till now. Last edited by paragsachania : 16th November 2021 at 20:32. | |
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16th November 2021, 22:50 | #640 | |
Distinguished - BHPian | re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Quote:
PS: 2,15,000 km is awesome. You are an inspiration to me to use my cars over 1.5 lakh km. | |
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16th November 2021, 23:22 | #641 |
BHPian | re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Great thread !! Your suggestions for long distance cruising are very important aspects when one embark on a long haul. Myself being a long hauler pretty much understand how important it is to have a calm drive in those long stretches. If you love driving, then driving non stop for 24 hours is very much doable. Wish you many many long drives in future. |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km That's great Parag, if you don't mind losing a little bit of ground clearance (Miniscule though) I guess its a great decision. The best part of your recent travelogue is your summary of the reliability factor in this vehicle. One can bash Maruti to all corners and people won't be wrong on that factor, however its also true that this practical MPV ticks most of the boxes beautifully in being a stress free ride. My own Ertiga has clocked 134000 kms as of now, i only recently replaced the clutch at 132000 kms as a preventive measure and being a petrol did not have to face the infamous gear synchroniser issue, however as i have always said , your thread on the ertiga is the most comprehensive one out there. I also feel that the body panels of the earlier generation ertiga are somewhat better built than the current generation or maybe that's what i feel. |
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Responding to each one of you through this post as I was sure there is a lot that I may need to write and refer to, for the questions asked! Quote:
Realisation and the importance of convex outer rear view mirrors: I first drove on this in 2010 and that was in a Honda City. I realised that driving here is a video game with no lane discipline and switching between 1st, 2nd and 3rd lane every 10th second and many times switching from the very first to the last lane and vice-versa. For such maneuvers, an extremely important driving habit was shoulder check every alternate second and a wide view in all the 3 mirrors. The mirrors in the City were convex and they had helped do this job. Come 2011, I drove in the WagonR but the experience of 2010 meant I knew the flat (non-convex) mirrors in my WagonR will be useless. I retrofitted the convex mirror from the next variant before this drive only because I was sure these will aid me during my drive and keep me safe too. Quote:
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In 1997 I had travelled in a Tata Sumo of my relative from Belur to Pune and throughout the journey I was awake and gave good company to the driver and observed a lot of things on the roads. The driver was amused that I had so much interest in roads and travel. During the same era, I would regularly travel by bus to Pune from Shimoga (East-West Travels and Nandan Travels) and I would always pick the seat right behind the driver for the love of watching the roads throughout the journey. First Bangalore to Pune drive: For me as driver, it all started with my maiden drive Pune from Bangalore in 2006. Till then most of my drives were limited to 600-700 km round trip only. Even this first drive wasn’t planned with an intent to do it in one shot. We had planned to halt at Davanagere as we had started at 4pm from Bangalore. However, those were the years when this highway was getting expanded from single lane to dual carriageway. This also meant new bypasses for most of the towns that in darkness and without any signage we never realised we had crossed Davanagere from a distance. The roads till here were mixed bag, broken and lot of diversions. We then entered Ranibennur (this town got a bypass only in 2012) to check out for a place to stay but due to an event at the temple all hotels were fully booked that the hotel staff advised us to drive to Hubli for better options. The roads weren’t great and things were getting irritated but once we crossed Haveri, we were greeted with lovely and completely done 4 lane roads with good marking and reflectors that we simply continued to drive further without needing to halt for the night and we reached Pune at 9am the next day and that was 17 hours of driving. During this drive, at no given point did I force myself to drive but the only virtue that took care of things here was perhaps my interest to drive and my love for roads. This drive was confidence booster that made way for numerous roadtrips to Pune & Mumbai over the subsequent years and all of these drives were with my family where we would leave very early in the morning and take anywhere between 12-14 hours to reach Pune even with the state of roads then and the expansion work between Chitradurga and Haveri. How the night drives started: This was between 2008 and 2010 when I was working out of Pune. I had no specific plans to travel on weekends to Bangalore and hence I would never book a Bus or a flight ticket. However, after my work hours, I would start driving to Bangalore departing at multiple slots between 4pm and 10pm. Based on the time of departure, I began to study the traffic pattern during departure and arrival at destination, evaluated the pros and cons and mastered the art to reach destination in less than 12 hours. Even during these drives, I would never pull over and take a power nap or halt for the night. All these drives were mostly solo where Pune to Bangalore would be all night drive while Bangalore to Pune would be day time drives. Some of the longer non-stop trips that happened in subsequent years and all of these were in WagonR with parents, wife and later daughter: 2011: Bangalore to Surat – 1250 Km in my WagonR that you can refer in the quoted post below: Quote:
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Do I take power naps? So far, I recollect taking a power nap for 2 hours only once and this was in 2013 when I along with another BHPian funkykar drove 2 cars from Delhi to Bangalore. We started from Delhi late evening, stopped at Mehasana at my relatives place for lunch and post lunch nap for 3 hours and then started towards Bangalore. While we drove without issues, at one point near Bharuch, funkykar pulled over to take a power nap and insisted that I continue as long as I can drive. So I decided to continue towards Surat and realise I am nearly 2+ hours ahead of him and stop by at the booth. I then plug earphones to block external noise from braking and honking trucks and sleep for 2+ hours till funkykar arrives. This was the only power nap that I have ever taken in all these years of my driving. Even during the Marathon 31+ hours drive in WagonR from Mehasana to Varanasi via Delhi during my Golden Quadrilateral drive, we pulled over after Kanpur bypass for a power nap but my body simply refused to get into sleep mode and insisted to reach destination (Varanasi) and then sleep. To answer your question – I don’t take power naps during my marathon runs but as I mentioned earlier, I regularly take breaks and also ensure that I monitor my fatigue levels with any hints. It has also happened in the past that while I have felt sleepy next to a driver, I am totally back to my maximum enthusiasm levels the moment that driver asked me to take the wheels! I have quoted as many examples as I could remember where I had posted my experiences of such drives from the past. There are many more that I haven’t really posted too. I also developed a habit of using my useless MapMyIndia to log such non-stop trips and pull out the data from the GPS logs and make assessments. Off-late the MapMyIndia unit is acting up not recording the logs properly and when I download the GPS file, it has no sufficient data to plot the graphs. Need to find a fix for this issue someday. I unsuccessfully recorded the logs of my return but around Vadodara when I met Vigsom I realised that the log wasn’t recorded properly when I tried to pull speed data. Quote:
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Here is the snapshot from FASTag statement that shows approximate time I passed each toll booth from Baroda onwards: PS: The wrong charging at SP Ring road has a dispute raised now. Last edited by paragsachania : 17th November 2021 at 14:00. | |||||||||||||
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Quote:
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| re: Tallboy welcomes longer companion | Maruti Ertiga VDi | 9 years & 232,000 km Incredible update Parag bhai, as always. Your love for driving long distances clearly shows. I can’t think of anything other than an Innova that would be an ideal replacement for your Ertiga. The XL6 is a great, VFM MPV but would be a repeat experience for you. |
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