Swift Diesel, Saga continues. The DIESEL experience! Part II 72k kms Update Page 182. Now SOLD!

anshurao · 19th February 2009, 12:01

Hey Guys, I just had my car serviced @41000Kms. The list of replacements were same as that in Abhilash's car. However I had some additional work done
1. Diesel treatment(Decarb): I wasn't sure if this was required, but the service engineer insisted it's good if we do it every 40K Kms. Is this really required?

2. Front suspension stabilizer rods: I am not sure how these wore out, Could it be because of my 205 tyres? I also noticed that the inner side of my front tyres had an uneven wear. Could it be because of the stabilizers or is it just an allignment issue? Stabiliser rods costed about Rs.900, not sure about the exact price(Misplaced the bill)

Guys, it would be great if you could comment.

Jaggu · 20th February 2009, 10:11

What exactly did they do with "Diesel treatment"?

2) Is abnormal, bar wearing off. Did the car take any major impact from the road? Dont think 205 tyres will cause so much wear to a stabiliser rod. Tyre wear might be due to alignment more than stabiliser rod.

Jaggu · 22nd February 2009, 21:25

Wonder why the woosh is not there with the Turbo?? chances are your car air filter is dirty, so here goes a DIY air filter cleaning for any Swift D owner.

Tools Required

Star screw driver (big size)
Home vacum cleaner with blow / Pressurized air
An old rag or cloth to wipe

Switch off the car and remove the ignition key

so that you or somebody else will NOT start the ignition causing unwanted incidents and maybe leave an error code or two for ECU.

So this is the Air filter box and i have marked the air map sensor also

Swift Diesel, Saga continues. The DIESEL experience! Part II 72k kms Update Page 182. Now SOLD!-airfilter.jpg

Remove the air map sensor clip carefully, press the release end and the connector will slide off.

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Take the screw driver and remove the four screws sitting at the edges of the box.

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Now you can lift the cover off the air filter box.

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Ahh this is the air filter eh.

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From top it looks quite clean, lift it and ohh la la what do we have, flies, straws, dust and what not.

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Now take the air filter and run pressurized air on it, either from an air compressor or you can use the blow function of a home vacuum cleaner. Tap the air filter and repeat the process, soon the dust will reduce and your air filter is clean.

Swift Diesel, Saga continues. The DIESEL experience! Part II 72k kms Update Page 182. Now SOLD!-cleaned.jpg

Now take the rag, wet it and wipe the inside of the box clean and then let it dry.

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Do the same with the cover of the box also, if you look carefully you can see the air map sensor in the middle of the pipe, inside the cover.

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Now put the air filter in and carefully close the box, check if the cover is aligned properly. Tighten the screws following an X pattern. Dont over tighten the screws! Refit the air map sensor lead, double check its sitting properly and you are done.

Go ahead take a drive and you have the woooosh back.

Thad E Ginathom · 23rd February 2009, 00:26

Brilliant! I'll do it tomorrow

ece2k2 · 23rd February 2009, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Wonder why the woosh is not there with the Turbo?? chances are your car air filter is dirty, so here goes a DIY air filter cleaning for any Swift D owner.

Good illustration Sir!

But I don't understand one thing about Swift diesel's air filter cleaning from day one of my ownership and I remember posting this same question earlier, but did not get a proper response at tbhp - When I asked a MASS service advisor to clean my Swift LDi's air filter, he denied saying that the Diesel swift's air filter is designed in a way that is not supposed to be cleaned, but should only be replaced at specified intervals as opposed to Petrol Swift's air filter which can be cleaned. I was not convinced with this response and checked the owner's manual which also suggests to clean only Petrol Swift's air filter during regular service whereas for Diesel it just says "REPLACE" at so n so interval. Now I am thoroughly confused whether to clean it or should not clean it ...

DieselFan · 23rd February 2009, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Wonder why the woosh is not there with the Turbo?? chances are your car air filter is dirty, so here goes a DIY air filter cleaning for any Swift D owner.

Great one Jaggu. Have more of such DIY coming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ece2k2

Good illustration Sir!

But I don't understand one thing about Swift diesel's air filter cleaning from day one of my ownership and I remember posting this same question earlier, but did not get a proper response at tbhp - When I asked a MASS service advisor to clean my Swift LDi's air filter, he denied saying that the Diesel swift's air filter is designed in a way that is not supposed to be cleaned, but should only be replaced at specified intervals as opposed to Petrol Swift's air filter which can be cleaned. I was not convinced with this response and checked the owner's manual which also suggests to clean only Petrol Swift's air filter during regular service whereas for Diesel it just says "REPLACE" at so n so interval. Now I am thoroughly confused whether to clean it or should not clean it ...

Yes owners manual does say replace Air filter after 20 K km and no need of cleaning. But there is no harm in cleaning the air filter by using the above DIY illustrated by Jaggu.

23rd February 2009, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ece2k2

Good illustration Sir!

But I don't understand one thing about Swift diesel's air filter cleaning from day one of my ownership and I remember posting this same question earlier, but did not get a proper response at tbhp - When I asked a MASS service advisor to clean my Swift LDi's air filter, he denied saying that the Diesel swift's air filter is designed in a way that is not supposed to be cleaned, but should only be replaced at specified intervals as opposed to Petrol Swift's air filter which can be cleaned. I was not convinced with this response and checked the owner's manual which also suggests to clean only Petrol Swift's air filter during regular service whereas for Diesel it just says "REPLACE" at so n so interval. Now I am thoroughly confused whether to clean it or should not clean it ...

ideally it should be replaced more frequently than the 20k(or is it 10k?) that maruti recommend. If i had my way, I'd replace it every 3k kilometers. Dust our cars have to deal with in india is way more than japan or europe.

To clean it or not is your choice. The MASS guys are trying to weasel out of a 15 min job.

Only disadvantage of using pressurised air- if the pressure is too great and you damage/tear the paper filter(very unlikely) the filter will end up letting lots of dirt in.

Please clean the air filter, it makes such a massive difference. mileage and performnce , both benefit.

DieselFan · 23rd February 2009, 10:03

On a second thought instead of cleaning the filter by compressed air by blowing it, I think vacuuming the Air filter from the dirty side would give better/safer result.

Jaggu · 23rd February 2009, 10:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ece2k2

But I don't understand one thing about Swift diesel's air filter cleaning from day one of my ownership and I remember posting this same question earlier, but did not get a proper response at tbhp - When I asked a MASS service advisor to clean my Swift LDi's air filter, he denied saying that the Diesel swift's air filter is designed in a way that is not supposed to be cleaned, but should only be replaced at specified intervals as opposed to Petrol Swift's air filter which can be cleaned.

These filters are "supposed" to be long service interval kinds, if you remember the original brochure they were bragging about long interval for oil and air filter. Maybe this is the reason.

FYI i didnt invent this cleaning interval for Diesel swift, right from second service RNS has been cleaning the air filter at 5k interval and i replace them at 10k kms. Still last couple of months i have been driving in very dusty conditions, 40% of time and hence thought i would clean it at 8k kms again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselFan

On a second thought instead of cleaning the filter by compressed air by blowing it, I think vacuuming the Air filter from the dirty side would give better/safer result.

Difficulty due to the shape/construction of the air filter element. Also it has fine filtering elements (looks like cob web) on it and vacuum cleaner might pull em out.

humyum · 23rd February 2009, 10:50

That was great DIY illustration jaggu. I ve been cleaning the air filter of my swift d every 1500 km and it always always turns out to be dusty. The car has run 3800 km, i ve cleaned it twice after i noticed the kick reducing a bit ( very sensitive senses ) and voila the kick was back to 100% after the clean up.

Thad E Ginathom · 23rd February 2009, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Difficulty due to the shape/construction of the air filter element. Also it has fine filtering elements (looks like cob web) on it and vacuum cleaner might pull em out.

Are you sure that is part of the filter?

I just removed mine. Seriously, looked like a lot of crud...

Jaggu · 23rd February 2009, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

Are you sure that is part of the filter?

I just removed mine. Seriously, looked like a lot of crud...

YES! I think its better you drive to a part shop and get a new filter! Dont worry you can safely drive to the shop, unless you are driving through heavy dust conditions.

ps: how did you manage to remove them off completely?

Thad E Ginathom · 23rd February 2009, 17:54

Hard work!

But I never saw a filter that wasn't just plain card...

24-month (20Km) service coming up anyway, even though it's only just over 9Km on the clock, so that filter has to be replaced.

Jaggu · 23rd February 2009, 18:04

Enjoy the free flow air filter for now! Dont worry, its a relatively cheap price (air filter cost) for the learning, we DIY land up spending some time or the other, before we realize the cost of DIY experience.

Ill also try to add more details now on to avoid such issues ( lesson for me :( ) but dont run around too much before the service and best to avoid very dusty roads.

phamilyman · 23rd February 2009, 18:24

hold on - didn't white_vdi post as competent a air filter cleaning thread two months back - what moddaaaa?

19th February 2009, 12:01	#451
anshurao BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Panaji, Goa Posts: 284 Thanked: 85 Times View My Garage	Hey Guys, I just had my car serviced @41000Kms. The list of replacements were same as that in Abhilash's car. However I had some additional work done 1. Diesel treatment(Decarb): I wasn't sure if this was required, but the service engineer insisted it's good if we do it every 40K Kms. Is this really required? 2. Front suspension stabilizer rods: I am not sure how these wore out, Could it be because of my 205 tyres? I also noticed that the inner side of my front tyres had an uneven wear. Could it be because of the stabilizers or is it just an allignment issue? Stabiliser rods costed about Rs.900, not sure about the exact price(Misplaced the bill) Guys, it would be great if you could comment.
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20th February 2009, 10:11	#452
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	What exactly did they do with "Diesel treatment"? 2) Is abnormal, bar wearing off. Did the car take any major impact from the road? Dont think 205 tyres will cause so much wear to a stabiliser rod. Tyre wear might be due to alignment more than stabiliser rod.
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22nd February 2009, 21:25	#453
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	A DIY (stock) Air Filter Cleaning Wonder why the woosh is not there with the Turbo?? chances are your car air filter is dirty, so here goes a DIY air filter cleaning for any Swift D owner. Tools Required Star screw driver (big size) Home vacum cleaner with blow / Pressurized air An old rag or cloth to wipe Switch off the car and remove the ignition key so that you or somebody else will NOT start the ignition causing unwanted incidents and maybe leave an error code or two for ECU. So this is the Air filter box and i have marked the air map sensor also Remove the air map sensor clip carefully, press the release end and the connector will slide off. Take the screw driver and remove the four screws sitting at the edges of the box. Now you can lift the cover off the air filter box. Ahh this is the air filter eh. From top it looks quite clean, lift it and ohh la la what do we have, flies, straws, dust and what not. Now take the air filter and run pressurized air on it, either from an air compressor or you can use the blow function of a home vacuum cleaner. Tap the air filter and repeat the process, soon the dust will reduce and your air filter is clean. Now take the rag, wet it and wipe the inside of the box clean and then let it dry. Do the same with the cover of the box also, if you look carefully you can see the air map sensor in the middle of the pipe, inside the cover. Now put the air filter in and carefully close the box, check if the cover is aligned properly. Tighten the screws following an X pattern. Dont over tighten the screws! Refit the air map sensor lead, double check its sitting properly and you are done. Go ahead take a drive and you have the woooosh back. Last edited by Jaggu : 22nd February 2009 at 21:27.
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23rd February 2009, 00:26	#454
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,469 Thanked: 30,154 Times	Brilliant! I'll do it tomorrow
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23rd February 2009, 10:03	#458
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 260 Times	On a second thought instead of cleaning the filter by compressed air by blowing it, I think vacuuming the Air filter from the dirty side would give better/safer result.
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23rd February 2009, 10:50	#460
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,834 Thanked: 5,896 Times	That was great DIY illustration jaggu. I ve been cleaning the air filter of my swift d every 1500 km and it always always turns out to be dusty. The car has run 3800 km, i ve cleaned it twice after i noticed the kick reducing a bit ( very sensitive senses ) and voila the kick was back to 100% after the clean up.
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23rd February 2009, 17:54	#463
Thad E Ginathom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 11,469 Thanked: 30,154 Times	Hard work! But I never saw a filter that wasn't just plain card... 24-month (20Km) service coming up anyway, even though it's only just over 9Km on the clock, so that filter has to be replaced. Last edited by Thad E Ginathom : 23rd February 2009 at 17:55.
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23rd February 2009, 18:04	#464
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	Enjoy the free flow air filter for now! Dont worry, its a relatively cheap price (air filter cost) for the learning, we DIY land up spending some time or the other, before we realize the cost of DIY experience. Ill also try to add more details now on to avoid such issues ( lesson for me :( ) but dont run around too much before the service and best to avoid very dusty roads.
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23rd February 2009, 18:24	#465
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,675 Times	hold on - didn't white_vdi post as competent a air filter cleaning thread two months back - what moddaaaa?
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