ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

khoj · 26th August 2010, 23:57

The cost per liter for synthetic lubes across brands is approx Rupees 1000/- with bill.

For the grade to be used in your car see the user manual that came with the car. There is no grade restriction on Synthetic oils or minerals for that matter.

In our local conditions even with synthetic oil it is best to change the filter every 5000 kilometers and top up the oil and then change both at 10000 kilometers.

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Originally Posted by wildsdi5530

I called up the SA and was told to get only 0W30 or 10W30 oil. The shopkeeper told me that that grade is mineral oil and fully synthetic oil is 10W50 only. He also said that the oil needs to be changed at 25K Kms. Only oil filter needs to be changed every 10K Kms. Now I'm confused. Can someone tel me the grade of fully synthetic oil to be used in NHC. and the approx. cost.

Twiny · 27th August 2010, 11:44

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Originally Posted by wildsdi5530

Can someone tel me the grade of fully synthetic oil to be used in NHC. and the approx. cost.

Synthetic oil put in NHC at dealership is 0w30 and it costs ~2200/- for 3.7Ltr

sgiitk · 27th August 2010, 15:30

I picked up a 4 Litre can of Mobil1 0W40 a couple of days ago. The list price is Rs.4,600 and I paid Rs.4,400.

Honda OE Oil is Idemitsu

nitrous · 27th August 2010, 17:32

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Originally Posted by sgiitk

I picked up a 4 Litre can of Mobil1 0W40 a couple of days ago. The list price is Rs.4,600 and I paid Rs.4,400.

Honda OE Oil is Idemitsu

Thats such a light grade.
Why did you choose this?

amidoc · 27th August 2010, 17:58

Hi Has any one used OWS in thier cars. For ANHC what would be the correct type of ooil grade to be used.

khoj · 27th August 2010, 18:14

What does 'light grade' mean?

IMO 0W40 covers the entire gamut of climatic conditions in the Indian subcontinent over which the oil viscosity would hold stable. The exact technocommercially suitable grade though would be 5W40.

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Originally Posted by nitrous

Thats such a light grade.
Why did you choose this?

EDIT @amidoc on the last page udy has reported using OWS oil. see http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/2036248-post2568.html

udy · 27th August 2010, 19:32

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Originally Posted by amidoc

Hi Has any one used OWS in thier cars. For ANHC what would be the correct type of ooil grade to be used.

I changed over to OWS 5W50 on my last change. Have run it for around 10,000 kms and trust me, its worth its last drop of oil

. Engine was much smoother and rev free after the change. AFAIK OWS fully synthetic is available only in 5W50 and 5W40 grades. The other 10W40s from OWS are hydro-cracked synthetic oils.

nitrous · 27th August 2010, 19:57

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Originally Posted by khoj

What does 'light grade' mean?

IMO 0W40 covers the entire gamut of climatic conditions in the Indian subcontinent over which the oil viscosity would hold stable. The exact technocommercially suitable grade though would be 5W40.

Hi Khoj
I've been posting on this thread ever since it was created 4 years ago.
(You'll find two of my posts on the very first page).
This very concept has been discussed and discussed and now

So, accept my apologies.
Do go through this and other threads and go deeper into oil grades.

khoj · 27th August 2010, 21:28

Hello nitrous,
No apologies required. In your position and after four years anyone else would have a similar reaction. It was just that what I understand about viscosity and the capability of synthetics to maintain uniform viscosity under varied temperatures that prompted that query. Anyhow let still waters lie undisturbed.
Ciao

Gansan · 28th August 2010, 21:02

Shell Helix Ultra 1 ltr pack is ~ Rs 1050.00 in the Shell station. Interestingly, there is no price concession even if you buy a 4 litre can - the unit cost remains same! This is not the case with their other oils such as Helix HX series or even Shell MGO.

nitrous · 28th August 2010, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Gansan

Shell Helix Ultra 1 ltr pack is ~ Rs 1050.00 in the Shell station. Interestingly, there is no price concession even if you buy a 4 litre can - the unit cost remains same! This is not the case with their other oils such as Helix HX series or even Shell MGO.

You can save a solid 20% if you go to the place I suggested.
Shell Ultra - My favorite of the synthetics and the one thats in my car, right now.
I'm gonna try Castrol EDGE for the next change which is just a couple Ks away. Lets see.

Gansan · 28th August 2010, 21:20

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Originally Posted by nitrous

You can save a solid 20% if you go to the place I suggested.

Sure I will, for my next oil change. I was buying engine oil for my splendor today and checked out the price of all oils while doing so.

lancer_rit · 28th August 2010, 21:31

@nitrous, as far as what my Lancer manual shows, 0W40 definitely covers all the temperature range that 5W40 covers and more. IIRC, the SAE standards writeup I had read, also says the same. So are you saying 0W40 is unnecessary or that it is less suitable than 5W40 ?

Ofcourse, for Indian conditions 0W40 is not much extra use since we don't have so low temperatures in India..

akrish01 · 28th August 2010, 21:31

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Originally Posted by nitrous

You can save a solid 20% if you go to the place I suggested.
Shell Ultra - My favorite of the synthetics and the one thats in my car, right now.
I'm gonna try Castrol EDGE for the next change which is just a couple Ks away. Lets see.

Hi sir,

Can u pls pm me the dealer details for Shell & Mobil 1 synthetic oils in Chennai? And also for Castrol Semi-synthetic. Is petronas synthetic engine oil avl in Chennai?

thanks

Krishnan

sgiitk · 30th August 2010, 10:01

@nitrous/khoj; The recommended (wide range, hence synthetic) grades for the Civic are 0W30/40 or 5W30/40. I did not want 30 (given the summers in the north), and decided to go for 0 instead on 5. It is also a matter of availability. I am sure 0 is more like 2-3 or so (like a zero power bulb is not zero watts).

27th August 2010, 15:30	#2583
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,808 Times	I picked up a 4 Litre can of Mobil1 0W40 a couple of days ago. The list price is Rs.4,600 and I paid Rs.4,400. Honda OE Oil is Idemitsu
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27th August 2010, 17:58	#2585
amidoc BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 162 Thanked: 26 Times	OWS Oils Hi Has any one used OWS in thier cars. For ANHC what would be the correct type of ooil grade to be used.
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27th August 2010, 21:28	#2589
khoj Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dilli Posts: 2,718 Thanked: 1,288 Times View My Garage	Hello nitrous, No apologies required. In your position and after four years anyone else would have a similar reaction. It was just that what I understand about viscosity and the capability of synthetics to maintain uniform viscosity under varied temperatures that prompted that query. Anyhow let still waters lie undisturbed. Ciao
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28th August 2010, 21:02	#2590
Gansan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,625 Thanked: 5,917 Times	Shell Helix Ultra 1 ltr pack is ~ Rs 1050.00 in the Shell station. Interestingly, there is no price concession even if you buy a 4 litre can - the unit cost remains same! This is not the case with their other oils such as Helix HX series or even Shell MGO.
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28th August 2010, 21:31	#2593
lancer_rit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 1,291 Thanked: 326 Times	@nitrous, as far as what my Lancer manual shows, 0W40 definitely covers all the temperature range that 5W40 covers and more. IIRC, the SAE standards writeup I had read, also says the same. So are you saying 0W40 is unnecessary or that it is less suitable than 5W40 ? Ofcourse, for Indian conditions 0W40 is not much extra use since we don't have so low temperatures in India.. Last edited by lancer_rit : 28th August 2010 at 21:33.
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30th August 2010, 10:01	#2595
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,808 Times	@nitrous/khoj; The recommended (wide range, hence synthetic) grades for the Civic are 0W30/40 or 5W30/40. I did not want 30 (given the summers in the north), and decided to go for 0 instead on 5. It is also a matter of availability. I am sure 0 is more like 2-3 or so (like a zero power bulb is not zero watts).
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