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Old 6th November 2023, 08:44   #6106
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Is there any to determine if the oil filled in your car is synthetic or mineral? During service for my Swift I always insist on using synthetic oil. Maybe the car came factory filled with Synthetic oil but post every service I do not feel much difference than before.

The last oil change for my Swift was done in Dec 2022 and I am due for a service next month. The car has done only ~6.5k since the last oil change and I feel the engineto be running minor roughly, maybe I am just imagining it. This led me to think how can I determine if the car was filled with synthetic or mineral oil? The car has done 22.6k kms and is petrol manual.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

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Is there any to determine if the oil filled in your car is synthetic or mineral? During service for my Swift I always insist on using synthetic oil.

The car has done only ~6.5k since the last oil change and I feel the engineto be running minor roughly, maybe I am just imagining it. This led me to think how can I determine if the car was filled with synthetic or mineral oil? The car has done 22.6k kms and is petrol manual.
I think yours is a BS 6 swift which requires 0w16 or 0w20 Engine oil and the 0w__ motor oils require synthetic base oils and are either full synthetic or part synthetic (synthetic blend) motor oil.

You can check the last invoice as to which grade of oil they put in your car.

Mostly the service centres carry large barrel oils which can be of any manufacturer, I have found Shell and Idemitsu to be better than other brands available at service centres. Alternatively in case your vehicle is still in warranty, you can buy Shell or Idemitsu 3.5L cans from MGP.
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I think yours is a BS 6 swift which requires 0w16 or 0w20 Engine oil and the 0w__ .
Thanks my Swift is a BS4 2019 model. What I meant to ask while that I had asked for synthetic how do I know the service centre has not filled mineral and billed me for a synthetic oil since post 6k kms and 11 months later the engine seems a bit rough.

To all I wanted to know if there is any way to determine if the oil is synthetic or mineral by observing any properties visually.touch feel etc.
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Thanks my Swift is a BS4 2019 model. What I meant to ask while that I had asked for synthetic how do I know the service centre has not filled mineral and billed me for a synthetic oil since post 6k kms and 11 months later the engine seems a bit rough.

To all I wanted to know if there is any way to determine if the oil is synthetic or mineral by observing any properties visually.touch feel etc.
If you fill at the dealership theyll typically fill semi synthetic either 0w20 or 5w30

You anyway have to change oil in a year regardless of whether you run 1k or 10k during that period so just change the oil. See if they fill 5w30 this time rather than 0w20 - works a bit better for bs4 swift.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

I bought Bosch Engine oil recently and was reading through the label when the third point mentioned in it confused me.

As per my understanding, the viscous the oil, the lower will be it's tendency to evaporate (become volatile). I think I should go back to 10th standard or get some tuition from Bosch Chemical engineers.

Is my understanding correct and this label is having a mistake?
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

I have the TATA Safari XM which has done 6000 km in the last 1 year. The manual recommends 0W20 ACEA C2 - 5 Litres. However, I am not able to find the exact matching oil anywhere online or offline. The place where I have been servicing my cars for the last 20 years, says I can fill 5W30. He says even the SC doesn't have this grade of oil - I can trust him since he was also a Tata Authorised Service Point for more than 15 years.

Any Safari owners here who have serviced their cars outside?
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Shell, Mobil and Castrol among other brands have 0w20 acea c2 available on Amazon.

If you wish you can use a 5w30 acea c2 or c3

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I have the TATA Safari XM which has done 6000 km in the last 1 year. The manual recommends 0W20 ACEA C2 - 5 Litres. However, I am not able to find the exact matching oil anywhere online or offline. The place where I have been servicing my cars for the last 20 years, says I can fill 5W30. He says even the SC doesn't have this grade of oil - I can trust him since he was also a Tata Authorised Service Point for more than 15 years.

Any Safari owners here who have serviced their cars outside?
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Posting here since this is a more active thread related to oils. Below is screen shot of the my Swift's (Petrol 2019 MT) manual. The oil specs says API SN and SAE 0W 20.
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I have ordered this from boodmo and even if it says Hyundai the specs match or exceed the above mentioned details. I hope it should be ok to use in my car.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

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Posting here since this is a more active thread related to oils. Below is screen shot of the my Swift's (Petrol 2019 MT) manual. The oil specs says API SN and SAE 0W 20.
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I have ordered this from boodmo and even if it says Hyundai the specs match or exceed the above mentioned details. I hope it should be ok to use in my car.
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Definitely okay to use on the Swift.

Piyush.
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

I want to buy 0W20 C5 Diesel Engine Oil for Alcazar 1.5 Manual.

Mannol 7722 Long Life 508/509 0W-20 SP(RC) C5 Fully Synthetic Ester Engine Oil Advanced Fuel Saving Oil 5 Litres Imported from Germany Price Rs. 5200/- for 5 Litres Can.


Mannol 7722 Long Life 508/509 0W-20 SP(RC) C5 Fully Synthetic Ester Engine Oil Advanced Fuel Saving Oil 5 Litres Imported from Germany
Price Rs. 6997/- for 5 Litres Can.


Energ The Best In The Race G1 Sonic 0W-20 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil API SP - ACEA C5 Price- Rs. 1900/- for 3.5 Litres Can.


Castrol Magnetic 0W-20 - C2 Full Synthetic Engine Oil for Petrol, Diesel, CNG and Hybrid Cars (3.5L) Combo Pack Price Rs. 2157/- for 3.5 Litres Can.

Cost per litre-
Energ- Rs. 542/-
Mannol- 1040/-
Castrol- 616/-


What other Genuine options are available?
I don't want to go for more expensive ones. Genuine Shell, Castrol, Valvoline would be preferable in that order.

Few pages ago I had asked for 15W40 CK4 options. Could experts please advise on how to find if our Alcazar has DPF or not? If it indeed has DPF, I would be happy to use 0W20 C5. Else would it not be waste of money to use 0W20 C5 in non-DPF-Equipped Diesel Engine?
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I bought Bosch Engine oil recently
I recently filled Bosch Fusion Semisynthetic oil in my petrol Ciaz. The oil has performed well in the first 1500 kms, let's see how it goes further.

Previous oil was Mobil Super X1 FS 5w30, which did 9k kms and engine started to lose its smoothness (although there was no change in fuel efficiency).
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

My 2022 Gurkha has been running on FM issued Gulf 10w30 engine oil. However i feel i need to shift to something better. On recommendation by a fellow Gurkha owner, thinking of trying Total Rubia Optima 1300 FE 10W-30 which is as per the specs recommended by Force Motors. Moreover there are very few Diesel engine specific engine oils in xW30 category
Has anyone used Total engine oils? If yes, how are they?
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Castrol crb mini truck 10w30 ck4

Supposedly formulated for tata ace type vehicles that use every ounce of their torque and the engine heats up so its temperature resistant.

I have this in my endeavour for over 6000 km of highway driving and it has been surprisingly good for a mineral oil that cost less than 1800 for 9 litres.

Interesting numbers

Typical Characteristics
Name Method Units CRB Mini Truck 10W-30 CK-4
Density @ 15C ASTM D4052 g/ml 0.871
Viscosity, Kinematic 100C ASTM D445 mm2/s 11.6
Viscosity, CCS -25C (10W) ASTM D5293 mPa.s (cP) 6650
Viscosity, Kinematic 40C ASTM D445 mm2/s 79
Viscosity Index ASTM D2270 None 140
Ash, Sulphated ASTM D874 % wt 1.0
Total Base Number, TBN ASTM D2896 mg KOH/g 8.4
Pour Point ASTM D97 C -42
Flash Point, PMCC ASTM D93 C 210

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My 2022 Gurkha has been running on FM issued Gulf 10w30 engine oil. However i feel i need to shift to something better. On recommendation by a fellow Gurkha owner, thinking of trying Total Rubia Optima 1300 FE 10W-30 which is as per the specs recommended by Force Motors. Moreover there are very few Diesel engine specific engine oils in xW30 category
Has anyone used Total engine oils? If yes, how are they?
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Cross posting here from another thread - I own Grand Vitara (strong Hybrid), with the Toyota 3-cylinder engine, and the engine oil used by the Nexa service center is 5W-40 (Castrol). Whereas, as per the owner's manual the recommended oils are 0W-16, 0W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30.

I noticed a slight drop in fuel efficiency post the 3rd service (10,000 Km), post which the alarm bells rang. Apart from the higher cost, and drop in fuel efficiency is there any other harm this oil can do to the engine? Or is it genuinely better than the recommended oils (as per the SA).
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Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

A 40 weight oil is better in hot climates than a 30 weight one except for some minor loss in fuel efficiency.

Go ahead, wont hurt your car as long as the rest of the api or acea spec mentioned is satisfied.

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Cross posting here from another thread - I own Grand Vitara (strong Hybrid), with the Toyota 3-cylinder engine, and the engine oil used by the Nexa service center is 5W-40 (Castrol). Whereas, as per the owner's manual the recommended oils are 0W-16, 0W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30.

I noticed a slight drop in fuel efficiency post the 3rd service (10,000 Km), post which the alarm bells rang. Apart from the higher cost, and drop in fuel efficiency is there any other harm this oil can do to the engine? Or is it genuinely better than the recommended oils (as per the SA).
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