Team-BHP > Team-BHP Advice > On modifying a car


Reply
 
4,136,245 views Search this Thread
Old 21st April 2023, 13:01   #6031
BHPian
 
Spark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 96
Thanked: 9 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Hi, do we have any feedbacks on Amsoil Turbo Diesel 5w40 oil on Brezza Diesel 1.3 multijet?

I've recently started using Amsoil as a brand for my Royal Enfield and it looks good overall, but would appreciate if someome could spare a minute to share their short/long term experience on the 1.3L multijet engine's life and performance on this oil. Any other oil recommendations are also welcome.

It's done about 50k km on Maruti ASS oil changes. Car is to be used in Delhi with ~ 45 degrees Ambient temperature.

Thanks in advance.
Spark is offline  
Old 21st April 2023, 13:07   #6032
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spark View Post
Hi, do we have any feedbacks on Amsoil Turbo Diesel 5w40 oil on Brezza Diesel 1.3 multijet?
.
Use amsoil signature series 5w30 instead - it matches the ACEA A5/B5 spec required on Marutis. The other option is Castrol Edge 5w30 ACEA C3 if you want an expensive and high quality oil.
hserus is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 21st April 2023, 13:14   #6033
BHPian
 
Spark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 96
Thanked: 9 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by hserus View Post
Use amsoil signature series 5w30 instead - it matches the ACEA A5/B5 spec required on Marutis. The other option is Castrol Edge 5w30 ACEA C3 if you want an expensive and high quality oil.
Thanks Mate, just to reconfirm are they good for Diesel? Generally diesels go with 40 Grade oils.

Which one of the two would have better detergent profile and additives?

Thanks again.
Spark is offline  
Old 21st April 2023, 14:06   #6034
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spark View Post
Thanks Mate, just to reconfirm are they good for Diesel? Generally diesels go with 40 Grade oils.

Which one of the two would have better detergent profile and additives?

Thanks again.
Ford and Toyota recommend 5w30 for the Endeavour and the Fortuner. You can use a 40 grade oil if you wish such as Shell Helix Ultra or the Castrol Edge which is also in 5w40. Or thereís a Motul 5w40 a3b4 thatís quite nice too.

Use all these oils if you do more than 10k a year including highway trips else just fill Maruti oem oil or any cheaper 5w30 / 5w40 semi synthetic and change the oil every 5-10k depending on usage and oil condition.
hserus is offline   (2) Thanks
Old 21st April 2023, 15:18   #6035
Senior - BHPian
 
mukeshgoel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Gurgaon
Posts: 1,204
Thanked: 2,045 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Hi.

It's about to be one year since I got engine oil replaced of my Grand i10 Petrol 1.2.

Please suggest me engine oil with specification ACEA A3/B4 - SAE 5W-30.

This car is driven just 2000 kms per year.

I would prefer to buy from Amazon. Required quantity is 3.5L.
mukeshgoel is offline  
Old 21st April 2023, 21:08   #6036
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by mukeshgoel View Post
Hi.

It's about to be one year since I got engine oil replaced of my Grand i10 Petrol 1.2.

Please suggest me engine oil with specification ACEA A3/B4 - SAE 5W-30.
You can search Amazon or look around oil shops for that spec, or search this very thread, and you will find exactly one quite good oil that matches both these criteria
hserus is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 21st April 2023, 22:47   #6037
BHPian
 
MT_Hyderabad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: <<--
Posts: 588
Thanked: 2,552 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by mukeshgoel View Post
Hi.

It's about to be one year since I got engine oil replaced of my Grand i10 Petrol 1.2.

Please suggest me engine oil with specification ACEA A3/B4 - SAE 5W-30.

This car is driven just 2000 kms per year.

I would prefer to buy from Amazon. Required quantity is 3.5L.
Do not change the oil every year if it is running just 2k per year. Pour in 250 or 200 ml of a good oil treatment additive and you are good to go for another six months or another year.

I know folks here will not like this suggestion, but you are basically running 10k in 5 years, which is the life of only one oil change. Hence, save Mother Earthís valuable resources and defer unnecessary oil changes. I am suggesting what I do with my low running Santro.

If you want to change it anyway, a good mineral oil which is easily available on Amazon is shared below.

I wish we had blackstone oil analysis available in India. I would have requested you to get the old oil tested, which will support maybe a 2 year oil life for your next change with the same oil you used last time.
Attached Thumbnails
ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil-img_4014.jpeg  

MT_Hyderabad is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 22nd April 2023, 06:56   #6038
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by MT_Hyderabad View Post
Do not change the oil every year if it is running just 2k per year. Pour in 250 or 200 ml of a good oil treatment additive and you are good to go for another six months or another year.
.
You can get oil analysis in India - but it is at a cost where youíll prefer to just buy new oil. The cost whether in India or the US is such that only big time users of oil (such as in ship engines that use hundreds of litres in one fill) will find it economical to have regular oil quality analysis.

The people you see on the BITOG forum etc that do Blackstone analysis are enthusiasts with money to burn and a curiosity about oil + money in their pockets that far exceeds mine. Or some of them manage a big fleet of trucks, which is another use case where oil analysis pays for itself.

For cheap oil - drain and refill it, the detergents in the oil will break down from engine heat fairly fast if you stretch beyond a year in oil changes. Pouring oil additives just doesnít make sense for a lot of reasons including that most are snake oil that speak about coating your engine interiors with a thin film of deposited hard metal of some sort, molybdenum, boron etc. With the tolerances modern engines (means any in the last 20 years) operate at consider if you think it really is as good an idea as it sounds.

The oil you drain out at any garage is typically filtered and then mixed with newer oil, then sold to cabbies, genset operators etc. So donít worry it is all recycled.
hserus is offline   (4) Thanks
Old 22nd April 2023, 07:09   #6039
Senior - BHPian
 
shankar.balan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 10,621
Thanked: 18,551 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

I was recently trying to buy Shell Helix fully synthetic oil for my Cooper for its annual oil change. It needs about 4.3 litres for a full drain and fill (including oil filter).
(Whether I do 10000 Kms running or not, I ensure that I change the oil and filters etc every year because oil like any other material will tend to degrade with age. And mine being a lovely 11 year old car, in singing condition, I would like to Molly coddle it a little more than is strictly perhaps necessary.)
I noticed that the manufacturing date of all the oils available on Amazon AND in the local Shell Helix Service Centre, were imported sometime in 2019!
I understand from a well known automobile oils and lubricants distributor in Bangalore that they haven’t imported any stocks since then. I wonder why.
So I have tried out a new German oil called Addinol. It is expensive, but the car definitely feels nice and smooth after the fill. This oil is approved by BMW as can be seen by the attached letter. And 5W30 oil is perfect for the older engine, as tolerances become a bit looser with age and usage. Anyway in India our operating conditions are totally different from those in Europe.
Attached Thumbnails
ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil-img_8503.jpeg  

ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil-img_8504.jpeg  

ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil-img_0436.png  


Last edited by shankar.balan : 22nd April 2023 at 07:17.
shankar.balan is offline  
Old 22nd April 2023, 11:36   #6040
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by shankar.balan View Post
I noticed that the manufacturing date of all the oils available on Amazon AND in the local Shell Helix Service Centre, were imported sometime in 2019!
I understand from a well known automobile oils and lubricants distributor in Bangalore that they havenít imported any stocks since then. I wonder why.
Shell phased out 5w30 and 5w40 formulations and moved to 0w30 etc (packed in brown colour jugs)

What youíre buying is older stock thatís still good, the expiry date is like 5 years when properly stored
hserus is offline  
Old 22nd April 2023, 13:06   #6041
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: hump city
Posts: 1,233
Thanked: 5,584 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by shankar.balan View Post
So I have tried out a new German oil called Addinol. It is expensive, but the car definitely feels nice and smooth after the fill. This oil is approved by BMW as can be seen by the attached letter. And 5W30 oil is perfect for the older engine, as tolerances become a bit looser with age and usage. Anyway in India our operating conditions are totally different from those in Europe.
Kindly check whether the 'older engine' will find it suitable having a low SAPS oil (the can clearly says what you have put in, is low SAPS) , because it might have been originally designed only to have full SAPS oil.
https://autorepairfocus.com/right-en...es-is-crucial/
venkyhere is offline   (1) Thanks
Old 22nd April 2023, 13:28   #6042
Senior - BHPian
 
shankar.balan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 10,621
Thanked: 18,551 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by venkyhere View Post
Kindly check whether the 'older engine' will find it suitable having a low SAPS oil (the can clearly says what you have put in, is low SAPS) , because it might have been originally designed only to have full SAPS oil.
https://autorepairfocus.com/right-en...es-is-crucial/
Funny thing is that 5W30 is the grade originally specified for the Mini Cooper S R56 model. This is the grade that is used in the GCC too.

In India, they said that BMW recommends only 0W30 LL01 FE oil for all BMWs sold in India. I would have thought that our Indian conditions resemble the Middle East closer than Europe.

I ve poured the Original BMW oil 4 times in the oil drain and fill services, along with new BMW OEM and Kengst oil filters each time. The oil was certainly good. Nice and smooth and all. This year, I understand from BMW they are no longer selling this 0W39 LL01 FE oil in cans. They supply it only to those who use their service centreís and it comes out of a large drum.

This is why I chose to hunt around and see what best oil I could get and after a good amount of research, settled on this Addinol. I also added a can of LiquiMoly Friction Modifier, because the car is 11 years old and has done almost 60,000kms. So far, the car is driving very nicely. And while the oil was a golden yellow when I poured it in, it is still a darker shade of golden yellow after 1500 odd kms run. I have around 700ml of this Addinol oil left in the can which I will use if necessary, only for top up purposes. I typically change oil every 6000 kms or 1 year, whichever comes earlier. Time being in short supply as work gets busier, I am not sure that by Feb/ March next year I will be able to do the kilometres that I want to do in that car, but I will change the oil and filter nonetheless.
shankar.balan is offline  
Old 22nd April 2023, 20:02   #6043
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

The equivalent ACEA C series spec would be ACEA C2

Though - from experience of using Castrol Edge, which is a 5w30 C3 oil, in the Endeavour (which likewise recommends 5w30 A5B5), I can say that the results are quite good. So, not much of an issue.

The reverse is going to be a problem - like if you use a full or mid SAPS A5B5 or A3B4 oil in a low SAPS requiring BS6 engine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by venkyhere View Post
Kindly check whether the 'older engine' will find it suitable having a low SAPS oil (the can clearly says what you have put in, is low SAPS) , because it might have been originally designed only to have full SAPS oil.
https://autorepairfocus.com/right-en...es-is-crucial/
hserus is offline  
Old 22nd April 2023, 21:10   #6044
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: hump city
Posts: 1,233
Thanked: 5,584 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

The reason I asked the Q is :

SAPS was originally present in oils, because they enhanced the resistance against shear wear, resistance against ageing etc - basically keeping the oil 'newer' for longer. However, newer and newer emission control norms and devices, have placed an opposite limitation on how much SAPS can be added to oil - hence the lowSAPS, midSAPS etc, which are 'intentionally' less longlife than a fullSAPS oil, because they have the emission side restriction. However, modern engines are built commensurate to this, with tighter tolerances, more modern assembling methods etc. In other words modern engines are capable of having an oil that offers 'lesser protection' , according to my understanding. Will the older engine be able to live with it, for it's usual oil drain interval ? that was my Q.
venkyhere is offline  
Old 23rd April 2023, 05:27   #6045
Senior - BHPian
 
hserus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Chennai
Posts: 4,861
Thanked: 9,003 Times
Re: ARTICLE: Synthetic oil vs Mineral oil

Quote:
Originally Posted by venkyhere View Post
However, newer and newer emission control norms and devices, have placed an opposite limitation on how much SAPS can be added to oil - hence the lowSAPS, midSAPS etc, which are 'intentionally' less longlife than a fullSAPS oil, because they have the emission side restriction. However, modern engines are built commensurate to this, with tighter tolerances, more modern assembling methods etc. In other words modern engines are capable of.
The only thing that might get affected is the drain interval. And even then these oils are engineered for 10k MILE rather than kilometer oil change intervals. They will surely need to be changed earlier than even 10k km but thatís because stop start bumper to bumper traffic counts as ďsevere serviceĒ to reduce oil life.

You can use low to mid saps oil just fine in slightly older engines (anything from the last decade or so) without significant issues
hserus is offline  
Reply

Most Viewed
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks