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Old 14th October 2024, 19:37   #7381
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Living with my KTM 390 DUKE for 11 years and over one lakh kilometers and bidding adieu

Excitement peaked in July 2013 when I booked the KTM 390 Duke. My prior riding experience/ownership was on a 2003 Bajaj Pulsar 150 (which clocked a tad over 1 lakh kilometers) and a 2008 Royal Enfield Bullet STD 350 (cast iron model, short lived, sold it before moving away to do my masters). The test ride on Bangalore's outer ring road blew me away as a light twist of the throttle snapped my head back and 100kmph came up faster than I was accustomed to. The bike was delivered in early October (on road price in Bangalore was Rs. 2,13,000/- in 2013). I called my KTM 390 Duke "The Kraken".

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The bike ran flawlessly from the start, the service of first batch KTM those days (especially Mr Ravi from Kasturba road branch) was top-notch. Only gremlin I faced in the first few months was a faulty oil pressure sensor which was replaced under warranty.
A shock came during a late night return from a ride, when unsighted, I ran over some rumbles and potholes at speed. The rear axle nut flew away as there was no cotter pin to hold it in place. Limped home somehow making sure the chain and wheel didn't come loose. By 2014 we had a good number of KTM owners forming a group named Kriegers. Weekend rides, fun and friendship followed.

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What KTM did admirably was to start the KTM trackdays initially free of cost for customers and even in 2018, they just charged a nominal fee of Rs 800 for two days of track riding and lessons.

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These trackdays were eye opening as I always thought I was great in corners and got humbled at the track. This led me to learn, correct old habits and improve. All along I couldn't have thought of a better companion on road and track than the KTM 390 Duke. Raw power, nimble, light and flickable, it was incredible fun on track.

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With the older W-rated Metezelers, grip was profound and it was fun scraping pegs on the long righthander at the backend of Kari Motor Speedway (Anaconda corner or the bowl as it was called).

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I had toured extensively on the 390 too, riding to my hometown of Trivandrum from Bangalore (730kms) which was a breeze on the 390.

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Got a Viaterra Velox saddlebag which fitted the 390 like a glove.

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All the riding meant, the odo went past 50k kms mark in 2015 and I started noticing that the oil level kept going down, eventually figuring out that she was consuming oil and started noticing light puffs of smoke.

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Time came for the engine overhaul, odo was around 60,000 kms. KTM Kasturba (Ravi had left by then) screwed up the job. The repair costed 29k with new piston, head, crank & cylinder kit. Post overhaul she ran terribly, low on power, valves rattling... Dejected, I shot mails & multiple calls to KTM India asking to fix this, which they did to an extent, but not satisfactorily. I took help from Mr Raymond (Rays Garage, Koramangala) and Autoservice Banashankari to get it back in good shape and then she was flying again.

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In 2017, I met with an accident near Indiranagar 100 feet road and was injured... the bike's forks bend, lever & pegs broke off, otherwise the OE crash bars and the fork and swingarm protectors (from Motofusion) I had installed did a good job. Again Autoservice Banashankari did a great job on the accident repair. I also started noticing the speedo used to go to zero intermittently while riding, RR unit was replaced for a battery charging issue, coolant leak seen on LH side of engine and rectified, oil leak from around the gear shaft seen & rectified were the only other issues faced. The bike was vibey, no two ways about it and probably due to these vibrations I've had my crash guard and rear wheel hugger break off.

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Fast forward to 2022 and at around 97k kms on the odo, I again started seeing oil level reduction and valve noise. Autoservice suggested to replace the cylinder kit which now costed 25k, else the cheaper option of using the Dominar one. I crossed the 1 lakh kms and trudged on, topping up oil and eventually planned to take it to Autoservice in 2023 for the overhaul.

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To my dismay, they had shut shop and they were the only ones proven reliable for me. Thoughts started about looking out for a new bike and that's when the Aprilia RS457 caught my fancy. Booked it and with a heavy heart bid goodbye to my "Kraken". The BS3 KTM 390 DUKE was truly a bike that made me a better rider, opened a new world for me... Trackdays, commute, touring- it did it all with aplomb. It had also proven to be more reliable than I ever expected it to be and never left me stranded. I chose the Aprilia in white and red combo so that it would remind me of the Kraken. With immense gratitude, I would say thanks to KTM/Bajaj for launching this gem of a machine at such an affordable price (1.8L ex showroom in 2013). KTM 390 DUKE I believe changed the landscape of Indian motorcycling forever!!

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Old 14th October 2024, 20:39   #7382
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Re: The KTM Duke 390 Ownership Experience Thread

Saarinen, I knew it would have been a tall order asking you to post this thread, as you'd have to dig and reel back in time to get the pictures and get the nostalgic reel running. Said and done, stoked to see the "odo rollover" on the display, a subtle wide grin adorning me. Very, few of us especially on the 390 can attest to this record.

As surprising as it sounds, the older gens though had few gremlins were plenty, plenty reliable for what they had to offer considering how high strung they were. When we compare it to the current crop of KTMs that are plagued with oil consumption even lesser than 10k kms, topping up with electronic vagaries. The old ones were direct, temperamental and yielded a satisfaction to the rider like no other. The highway is where she bonds better both mechanically and aurally.

Congratulations on the RS457, wishing you even more fun filled and fuss-free adventures. It just comes to my mind, a quote from a trainer from a racing school. Big bikes do two things good, they go fast, and brake harder, small bikes do it better where it matters.

And I sincerely can't attest to that fact more!

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Re: The KTM Duke 390 Ownership Experience Thread

What a journey you've had with your pocket rocket! I believe it’s the right time to say goodbye; 60,000 kilometers for an engine overhaul is reasonable for a bike with such a high compression ratio. I have a Duke 390 that I got in 2017, but unfortunately, I haven't done it justice—it's only clocked 7,000 kilometers since I bought it.

The sheer acceleration still gives me a rush, but my lack of experience with two-wheelers makes me hesitant to take it on long journeys. I tend to prefer scooters for short trips, as they're more convenient for running errands. However, reading your article reassures me that the vehicle is competent; it’s really about me needing to upskill to fully enjoy it.

The Aprilia RS 457 is undoubtedly a precision tool in the hands of a skilled rider like you. I'm looking forward to your long-term review of the Aprilia!
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Saarinen, I knew it would have been a tall order asking you to post this thread, as you'd have to dig and reel back in time to get the pictures and get the nostalgic reel running. Said and done, stoked to see the "odo rollover" on the display, a subtle wide grin adorning me. Very, few of us especially on the 390 can attest to this record.

As surprising as it sounds, the older gens though had few gremlins were plenty, plenty reliable for what they had to offer considering how high strung they were. When we compare it to the current crop of KTMs that are plagued with oil consumption even lesser than 10k kms, topping up with electronic vagaries. The old ones were direct, temperamental and yielded a satisfaction to the rider like no other. The highway is where she bonds better both mechanically and aurally.
Thanks for the kind words and appreciation my friend and your observations on the BS3 390 Duke are exactly right. It had electronics only where it mattered and it was simple to use. ABS could be completely disabled which was a boon while riding on track. The newer ones & even the Aprilia RS457 don't allow to turn ABS off on the front, robbing the rider of the pure manual feel. The meter console was simple and intuitive, I lose my way with the complex settings and controls on the new TFT screens. Without any traction control or ride modes, it was a much more direct experience where the seat of the pants and the sensitivity of the right wrist mattered.
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What a journey you've had with your pocket rocket! I believe it’s the right time to say goodbye; 60,000 kilometers for an engine overhaul is reasonable for a bike with such a high compression ratio.
Thanks for the kind words. It indeed covered more kms between engine overhauls than I expected. I also was a bit more mechanically sympathetic to it than others I guess. Never redlined the engine unnecessarily except riding spiritedly on the track or twisties. May be that's why she was kind to me also over these 11 years
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Living with my KTM 390 DUKE for 11 years and over one lakh kilometers and bidding adieu
Man, that was a lovely trip down memory lane. 1L kilometers on a 390 Duke is no joke.

That was the first bike that actually scared me upon riding it. I fell in love within 300m of my first and only spin on it. Brilliant little machine.

Congratulations on the Aprilia, wish you countless miles of smiles!
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Man, that was a lovely trip down memory lane. 1L kilometers on a 390 Duke is no joke.
Thanks a lot man. 390 Duke is indeed a brilliant machine. It demanded to be treated with respect and rewarded riders immensely when ridden right!

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Caliper Pin Spring Mod - DIY

Sometimes rainy days bring out the best out a wretched mind. With plethora of springs out there at my disposal after working on things, this mod was on my list for a while to come, in fact it was so in the back-burn that it actually made me bad for being a wuss and finally the motivation came over a Jordan Peterson's video.

Cut to chase, why did I consider this mod? The brake pad you see is literally two years old, and is fresh, wouldn't say that to the front though. Priorities are always to the fore. Now, the simple reason for this is, the power to the wheel has to go over a lot, the weight of the wheels, sprockets hub/carrier and BRAKE DRAG

A grazing brake pad will wear faster, will wear even faster if worn unevenly like " / \ " and a stuck piston accumulated with dust will only aggravate it further leading to more uneven wear and brake feel. This to an extent will reduce pad contact with the wheel, which effectively means a better free-wheeling wheel, better pad life and better rear pedal feedback. After riding it for 13 kms, the rear brake feedback is a charm and I can feel the rear pedal coming alive providing that correct feel -- definitely not placebo.

What this spring mod actually does? Well, it makes sure the pads are pushed against the calipers, each time, every time, when the brake is released, irrespective of the brake material wear, which in turn means uniform pad wear, enhanced brake pad retraction to its original place, better brake feel and feedback, reduces sponginess.

It was a random mod that came to my mind, and hence I haven't taken the spring dimensions, but it's the same dia as the piston pin. If anyone requires the dimensions of the spring I can share the details sometime later. These springs are pretty and plenty much available off the shelf at any spare retailer, you can take your piston and get a spring that slides inside the pin, trim the spring if it's lengthier and carefully insert it between the two pads (needs some patience as the spring tension will be really taut) and insert the pin and that's it.

A pictorial perspective should better serve the readers!

1.Notice the extremely mild air/pad gap which is exactly what I've aimed for.

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2. Notice the flush spring seat. Would pass an OEM fitment. Neat!
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3. A dab of brake grease goes a long way!
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4. And here's it actually working in action. Notice here, how the pin itself slides ever so slightly by actually improving the return action of the pad, this is precisely what I wanted achieve with this mod. A job well done and a pat on the back later..

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Contemplating the same on the front caliper as well. The front caliper would certainly accommodate a spring, albeit I'd have to check the length and get it trimmed which is easy. The only aspect of this is to check the space below the (OE Arrow Spring marked in red) to see if it can accommodate my spring mod so that it isn't disturbed/bent in the process.

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At the end of the day it was a job well done and the satisfaction is simply immense! Hope it helps!

Cheers!
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Living with my KTM 390 DUKE for 11 years and over one lakh kilometers and bidding adieu
Your post brought back nostalgia and how!

I too had the 1st gen Duke 390 bought in Nov 2013. I rode the bike exactly for 1 Km to decide that it was for me. Got the bike before moving from Hyderabad to Bangalore and what a joy riding it was.

I remember one magazine had called it " The Widow Maker" and I could attest to it. A little miss on the throttle and brake coordination, and you would be on the tarmac. I also had the same Viaterra bags which worked well for not only touring but also grocery shopping. Apart from the overheating in the city, the bike was just fab. I still remember the grin that I would have on signal to signal. Toured a bit of south India and then Bangalore - Goa - Mumbai when I moved here.

Nov 2013- Nov 2014 - 900 Kms
Nov 2014 - Dec 2016 - 17000Kms
Jan 2017 - Apr 2022 - 4000 Kms.

Finally bid adieu to the beloved at 22xxx Km mark
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It was a random mod that came to my mind, and hence I haven't taken the spring dimensions, but it's the same dia as the piston pin. If anyone requires the dimensions of the spring I can share the details sometime later. These springs are pretty and plenty much available off the shelf at any spare retailer, you can take your piston and get a spring that slides inside the pin, trim the spring if it's lengthier and carefully insert it between the two pads (needs some patience as the spring tension will be really taut) and insert the pin and that's it.
Excellent idea. Some cars come with such springs, for example, ford ecosport.

What should be the ideal length of the spring? Any formula or guideline that you have thought of?

And any impact on the efficiency of the spring as the brake assembly temperature increases? This will be more important at the front I believe which can reach close to 200-degree Celsius with hard repeated braking
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Excellent idea. Some cars come with such springs, for example, ford ecosport.

What should be the ideal length of the spring? Any formula or guideline that you have thought of?

And any impact on the efficiency of the spring as the brake assembly temperature increases? This will be more important at the front I believe which can reach close to 200-degree Celsius with hard repeated braking
Hi Sagar, thank you. Yes, Fords and many such cars have an anti--judder spring, for disc brakes, on the most cases. And if all four are discs, all the calipers have these springs.

Since this was a random light bulb mod that came to my mind, my first instinct was to search for the spring that would go over the slider pin and since I had springs lying around, finding one was not a difficult job and I found one exactly the right length and diameter and hence went to the installation part immediately.

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What should be the ideal length of the spring? Any formula or guideline that you have thought of?
Caliper slider pin Dia
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The actual spring diameter

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Length of the spring approx in mm ( Mostly trimming won't necessary, but in any case you have a lengthier spring, you can trim it using a plier)
Notice the extremely mild air gap (circled in blue) in the pad visible, this wasn't the case earlier as the pads used to touch the rotor as is the case with all bikes. Now, the wheel spins with much less zingg, zingg sound typical to the brake pad in contact.

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I have taken these photos with the spring installed on the so that it gives the precise measurements. But in any case, it's very easy, you can remove the slider pin, take it to your nearest spare parts shop and ask for a spring that slides over the pin perfectly and you're done. Rest of act is pretty much trimming/splicing the spring if need be if it's lengthier, but in my case I didn't do any splicing.

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And any impact on the efficiency of the spring as the brake assembly temperature increases? This will be more important at the front I believe which can reach close to 200-degree Celsius with hard repeated
Absolutely no negative impact on braking efficiency. In fact, by the time I took test ride of the bike after this mod, it was a cold night here in Ooty, at 9:45 PM with mild drizzle, as I wanted to check how it fared in cold, and so the 13 KMs ride was done as a mandatory test emphasis mostly on rear brake. I feel the rear pedal feedback has improved to an extent, braking bite after sanding the pads seems to have done a good job of bringing back the initial bite and one jab-a-dab on the pedal and the ABS kicks in.

With respect to temperature, a pad that is in constant contact will increase in temperature, now with this juga-mod the pad is literally thousands on an inch away from the rotor face which means lesser friction, lesser heat, lesser brake dust and in turn the air gap helps cool the the pad and the vicinity.

Secondly, brake slider pins especially the one I've used in question usually doesn't get hot even if the caliper is really hot. It's basically a slider for the brake pad ears.

The prime reason I considered this is to kinda help the MAIN slider pin. Now, in case with the bigger slider pin, which you can see in the Duke's rear caliper directly below in our bike as well as cars, if these caliper pins are stuck due to muck, grime and poor lubrication, the returnability of the caliper is compromised which in turn would mean uneven pad wear and excessive brake dust.

This spring would deter that event to an extent, as the pads in spring tension are constantly working against the piston, this would mean the pads eventually are forced to go back to their caliper recesses rather than getting stuck in the middle due to a stuck/unlubed MAIN caliper pin. So far, this is what my moral fiber has been echoing inside me to justify the act I've done.

I sincerely am willing to get this done on the front caliper as well, will do it sometime when I get to replace the pads.

Thank you for your appreciation!

Cheers!
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My 390 duke is almost 5 years old now with about 15,400 km on the odometer. I would like to share the mods, breakdowns and major service done on it so far.

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1. Ergo seats this is the official powerparts product, comfort wise its a wee bit more comfortable than the stock seat (i wouldnt buy it again for the comfort) but grip wise its a night and day difference. Grip makes it effortless to ride you dont have to cling on to the handle bar like a child that clings on to his parents on the first day of school.

So well maintained!! I noticed it has the Apollo on it. Have you had any noticeable difference between these and the stocks?

Also, are you aware of any reliable solutions for seating apart from the powerparts? The stock ones on the Gen 3 are too hard for long rides and I'm looking for a change.
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So well maintained!! I noticed it has the Apollo on it. Have you had any noticeable difference between these and the stocks?

Also, are you aware of any reliable solutions for seating apart from the powerparts? The stock ones on the Gen 3 are too hard for long rides and I'm looking for a change.
Thank you for your kind words.
As far as i can recollect i remember the stock ones losing feedback and it would slip and slide towards the end of its life. Initial impressions of the metz were great since i progressed from an rx100. But for the price i would say apollo is pretty good, is it better than the metz throughout the life span of both the tyres well thats hard for me to say. Since i haven't ridden the two back to back.

Back in 2021 when i switched to h1 there weren’t many tyre options available, now you have tvs protorq extreme, mrf steel brace, ceat sportrad. So its better to look at all these options and choose what suits you the best.

Seats are wizardry that i fail to understand, what might suit me may not suit you. I have no idea apart from powerparts.
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Hey VJ since you are a gen 1 long time owner i would love to know your ownership experience. Please do share your experience.
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Does anyone have an approximate number of how many 1st gen and 2nd gen 390 Dukes have been sold? I am curious about this.
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