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Old 15th September 2023, 16:35   #196
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Re: 2023 Tata Nexon Facelift Review

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It's you who asked Forum members opinion on the pricing and what could have been the ideal price. I just provided it.
You have misunderstood my comment regarding it. I'm not asking you to not provide your opinion on it.

My point is that, you may find these features useless or less useful. But public at large wants it. So if Tata is providing these features, and they will charge for it.

Your reasoning that Tata should charge less because these features are not useful is not a valid argument.
Because usefulness of a feature is subjective, but the price associated with those features is largely fixed. And when majority of public wants these features, it's simple business sense to provide those features, and charge for it.


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Koreans have been criticized a lot for the same. Infact there have been separate threads for that. Let's not digress, by bringing the Koreans into discussion here.
I don't think we can isolate Tata from the market it operates in. Nexon has to compete with Koreans in the market, and when we are discussing the price, it's only fair that we keep other attributes like structural safety etc also in mind. After all, if someone is looking to buy vehicles in Nexon's category, their other options would most likely be Koreans.


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the customers are just plain Beta testers who won't voice their negative opinions as strongly as some unbiased media reviewers like (Gagan, Team BHP, ICN studio etc.)
That's not true. Customers voice their opinions the loudest, because they have paid money for it. And they are most trustworthy reviewers as well, for obvious reasons.

Out of the reviewers you have mentioned, I trust only Team-Bhp. And this is what TeamBhp had to say regarding DCA.
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All in all, the gearbox is more suited for a relaxed driver. It’s smooth and responsive enough for you to get by in most conditions. However, if you are looking for performance and quick shifts, you're better off with the Hyundai Venue or Kia Sonet DCT. This gearbox has been designed for comfort driving and it does that well.
This doesn't sound like a horribly mated DCA to me. It is designed for a purpose and it does that well.

The other reviewers you've mentioned, I haven't watched much of Gagan, but his initial impression is good.

But ICN guy had illegally obtained a vehicle, drove it on the road without any license plate, was driving diesel and giving reviews for petrol DCA. So are you asking me to trust a fraud here?
In any other country, ICN guy would have been punished by now for all that. Do you expect me to trust his review?

I would rather wait for the test drive and ownership experiences on TeamBhp.

P.S. This discussion has deviated too much. That would be all from my end.

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Old 15th September 2023, 16:41   #197
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Re: 2023 Tata Nexon Facelift Review

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There is <70k difference between Creative+ DCA (14.86, as per company) and Creative+ EV (15.52, as per Cardekho.com).

Does this mean TATA is promoting its EV over its petrol version or am I missing something here?
There is no road tax on electric vehicles in Delhi. Hence, there would be a significantly lower difference in the on road prices of Nexon EV and Nexon DCA in Delhi. The same will not hold true in other states.
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Old 15th September 2023, 16:42   #198
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17L quoted by dealership sounds too much.
Could you provide the details?

Because I have booked DCA creative+ at on road price of around 15.25L. By comparison DCA creative+S should be around 15.75L to 16L on road.
Here is the onroad price list in Bangalore for automatic variants.
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Old 15th September 2023, 16:45   #199
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The Tata's are getting overconfident with the pricing thinking that everything under Tata brand will sell harping on the safety ratings. The pricing is simply not justifiable for the engine choices and surely it undercuts other brands like Honda which has just launched 'Elevate'.
The model names based on the earlier models were certainly were more sensible and now we have offbeat names like smart, pure, creative and fearless. IMO the model names need some renaming and sound appealing.

With the launch of the new models, Tata's do need to improve the ASS experience to say the least.
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Old 15th September 2023, 17:40   #200
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The Tata's are getting overconfident with the pricing thinking that everything under Tata brand will sell harping on the safety ratings.

With the launch of the new models, Tata's do need to improve the ASS experience to say the least.
The market would not have embraced the product if it was just safety rating. It only shows that people are more open to buying a product which may lack a bit of fit and finish and support, but is nevertheless is a damn good product which does a lot of things better than its competitors. It is not for a reason so many Tiago / Altroz / Nexon / Punch have been sold. Also, like Maruti did with GV, Tata have already broken the pricing barrier with Safari / Harrier.

For sure the support needs to be better. But, based on my experience, people buying other brands don't realize any cons pulled by their dealers unlike Tata which tries a lot to do something for the customer but is let down by workmanship.

I think it is time people give credit to Tata for trying to make a great product.

Off topic: As a car, somehow Nexon did not appeal to me when I drove it. But Zest, Bolt, and Tiago changed the perception for me. My family had a Tata Nano and a Tiago, so I bet I know what I am talking about. Tata inarguably makes better people movers than most - they may not appeal to the "enthusiast" Driver, but for a family man or a regular buyer willing to risk it (apparently there are plenty), their cars have been really good. They are achieving great sales even without selling to taxi (barring EV Tiago/Tigor).

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Old 15th September 2023, 17:50   #201
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The market would not have embraced the product if it was just safety rating. It only shows that people are more open to buying a product which may lack a bit of fit and finish and support, but is nevertheless is a damn good product which does a lot of things better than its competitors. It is not for a reason so many Tiago / Altroz / Nexon have been sold. Also, like Maruti did with GV, Tata have already broken the pricing barrier with Safari / Harrier.

For sure the support needs to be better. But, based on my experience, people buying other brands don't realize any cons pulled by their dealers unlike Tata which tries a lot to do something for the customer but is let down by workmanship.

I think it is time people give credit to Tata for trying to make a great product.
Agree to your point. Earlier Tata was known as a VFM car and with safety ratings badge and I know that they offered a competent product. I myself is a Tata car owner and my ownership has been great most of the time. My point is that you need to maintain the brand USP while marketing your models and Tata was known for that i.e. the VFM tag and yet offering all the features. I wanted to point out that even in ASS they are on the improvement curve which is heartening to note.
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Old 15th September 2023, 18:31   #202
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If one scores 5* safety rating and other crumbles like a piece of paper, is it really fair to compare these two?
Sonet has not yet been tested and not even the ‘new’ Nexon facelift based on the revised GNCAP or the indigenous BNCAP. Also, people have survived in a 0 star rated car and have been dead in a flagship Merc, so let’s not get into that safety rating aspect yet! There’s a lot more to a car apart from just dancing around with that safety crown.
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Old 15th September 2023, 19:04   #203
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Here is the onroad price list in Bangalore for automatic variants.
Must say some 'SMART' people at Tata decided to get 'CREATIVE' and be 'FEARLESS' in coming up with these prices
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Old 15th September 2023, 20:41   #204
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Sonet has not yet been tested and not even the ‘new’ Nexon facelift based on the revised GNCAP or the indigenous BNCAP. Also, people have survived in a 0 star rated car and have been dead in a flagship Merc, so let’s not get into that safety rating aspect yet! There’s a lot more to a car apart from just dancing around with that safety crown.

Dear sir, all I meant that it takes money to build tougher vehicle and may be the makers of Sonet have better room for keeping their prices low than other manufacturers which prioritise passenger safety like Tata or VW.

As for the safety ratings, I think they are just as important as any other feature on the car.
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Old 15th September 2023, 21:33   #205
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Re: 2023 Tata Nexon Facelift Review

I think the prices are reasonable for the lower variants like Smart+, Pure and Pure S manual transmission in comparison with the competition. These are the one which will sell in huge numbers in tier 3 cities and small towns as mostly still don’t feel like getting a DCT there. Brezza VXI cost close to 10.8 Lacs OTR in Delhi which is barebone and the showroom guys push/force the customers to buy accessories on top of it in name of early delivery. I have experienced it personally. The only VFM product in this segment is Sonet rest all are either here or there.
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Dear sir, all I meant that it takes money to build tougher vehicle and may be the makers of Sonet have better room for keeping their prices low than other manufacturers which prioritise passenger safety like Tata or VW.

As for the safety ratings, I think they are just as important as any other feature on the car.
Fair enough, to each his own. Hence, we have cars from different manufacturers catering to different set of customers. Also, each one can have his / her view point which the manufacturers should be receiving too. Hence, we have forums like these.

No denying that safety is important; but it is one of the factors required in consideration along with the rest.

Also, you cannot have a car stranded in the service centre for days / weeks together with a 5 star safety. That car needs too move too. Just saying.

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Old 15th September 2023, 22:24   #207
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Top of the line auto costs close to 18 L in Chennai. Seriously TATA?? Moreover, these are “introductory prices”. God knows what will be the price in a month. Moreover, this pricing overlaps with quite a many cars which are a segment above with better engine and space. TATA’s VFM tag has gone for a toss. With their DCT which is not so great, I seriously want to understand what was in their mind while making decision.
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Re: 2023 Tata Nexon Facelift Review

Expensive pricing especially for top end variants! Can't imagine paying 18lakh for a Tata of that size. Nevertheless, this will sell. Next up, Safari which will cost 30+ lakh!
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Heck!!! The top spec diesel AMT costs a whooping 19 lakhs!! Tata has adopted the japenese path lol.
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Old 16th September 2023, 01:05   #210
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Prices for all variants of the new Nexon revealed.
Thanks for sharing this - the insanely high pricing at the top end seems to be quite well thought through now. Tata seems to have covered all the bases in terms of variants and as far as I can remember that has always been their Achilles' heel. On this forum itself there are multiple posts about the engine, transmission and feature options provided by the Koreans and how Tata never have all the combinations ready at launch, and for a change Tata seems to have taken that feedback into consideration.

Having said that, paying close to twenty big ones for a fully loaded Nexon which is nothing but a (very competent) raised hatchback is something that I would be loathe to do. However, as many BHPians have pointed out, competition is already there at that price point and that too with comparatively inferior vehicles (excluding the VAG twins and the XUV300). Features do not make up for poor build and other fundamental deficiencies. For those extolling the Sonet over the Nexon, please test drive both and sit in the back seat of both over bad roads and see which is the more comfortable and sorted vehicle. Also, the Sonet turbo returns a lower mileage than the Nexon. And I am not even getting into the safety debate.

Also, I have driven both the Sonet and the Nexon extensively across all kinds of roads and I never found an issue with the Nexon's 3-pot engine. There is some vibration at start up and that's about it. The car is damped quite well and engine noise and harshness does not seep into the cabin much, even at higher speeds. Also the engine is tractable and the car is responsive and does three digit speeds without breaking a sweat. The double digit fuel economy despite being driven hard is an added bonus.

I think the Nexon will still sell with these prices, and like someone has mentioned I suppose we will see the Safari at 30 lakhs soon.

Expensive days ahead and I will probably sit this one out till I figure out which way the EV revolution is headed.
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