[Bane214]

Originally Posted by ashvek3141

I see no idle start-stop switch in this car. This is usually placed below the RHS AC vent in the Koreans.

So finally this stupid regulation has been done with, for good? If yes, then thank goodness! One less button to press during every start-up.

Or even worse, what if there is no way to switch off idle start-stop and the system is ON always ! Most likely that's not the case, but with so many quirky things in this car, you never know.

[LaRoca]

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[ron178]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Engine start/stop button along with switches for the parking sensors and 360-degree camera have been placed on the centre console to the right of the gear shifter:
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It is interesting that the start-stop button looks like a Škoda and is positioned like a VW

In all seriousness, I quite like this car. Feature-loaded, functional and comfort-oriented is my kind of thing. I do look forward to an NCAP rating, I think it is something that this car's target buyer would be interested in.

If only it had the 1.2L CVT and a lower starting price! I think that would be much better suited to a car like this than it is to the Sonet. It is kind of the Windsor of ICE, I would say.

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by ashvek3141

I see no idle start-stop switch in this car. This is usually placed below the RHS AC vent in the Koreans.

So finally this stupid regulation has been done with, for good? If yes, then thank goodness! One less button to press during every start-up.

Amen to that. It's really one annoying "feature" that no one in our family uses. Other than starting the car using the Engine Start Stop button, next thing I do is switch it off. Happy to report that it has almost become a muscle memory now .

Originally Posted by ToThePoint

It's moved to the center console near the gear lever.

He is referring to the Idle Start Stop switch (not the Engine Start Stop button).

Originally Posted by Bane214

Or even worse, what if there is no way to switch off idle start-stop and the system is ON always ! Most likely that's not the case, but with so many quirky things in this car, you never know.

Haha! Really had me laughing out loud .

[chandrda]

Excellent review......again

I well sorted out vehicle from Kia and if we keep aside the looks, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't do well despite the competition.

May be Kia went radical with the looks as a differentiator from the competition.

The overall design reminds me of Kia Soul I had hired in US.

Regards

[AnkitShroff]

Any idea why the fuel economy of the diesel (in both Manual and AT) is so less, even compared to the other cars in the segment which offer an ARAI fuel economy of ~24 kmpl?

I was looking forward to swapping my 2021 i20 1.0 turbo DCT with the Syros 1.5 AT due to significantly high running (18-20k kms per year) and had almost made up my mind; however, I am now confused after seeing the fuel economy of 17.x kmpl. Even my BMW’s 2-liter diesel pot with ~190 hp and a much heavier body has a fuel economy (ARAI) of over 20 kmpl.

[2000rpm]

This car is a worthy successor to the Yeti.

That were my first thoughts on the design. This will stay an urban niche car in my view, because of the looks and the pricing.

[kgt.v8]

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

This car is a worthy successor to the Yeti.

That were my first thoughts on the design. This will stay an urban niche car in my view, because of the looks and the pricing.

The side profile definitely reminds of Yeti. Yeti had an elegant and timeless front and rear profile which I still admire whenever I see one of the road. The front and rear design of Syros is too much polarizing and somehow feels like some AI tool with bad prompts ended up creating this front profile. This is why all the reviews and so called auto influencers are focusing only on interiors and not on exteriors.

There is a lot of space inside the cabin, be it front row or the rear seats and makes you forget about the looks. The owner most likely will not turn back to admire Syros after parking due to quirky looks. It will be difficult to convince family to buy this if the home minister and kids don't approve of the looks.

The only cons are front look and those big square claddings on wheels from my perspective.

I copied pre-facelift Seltos headlamp cluster, pasted on Syros image from official review, removed headlights and kept last one. All of this is done using my very basic MS Paint skills, but the outcome looks more palatable to me.

[GTO]

Must say one thing about Kia India = whenever they launch a new car, it always brings something new & special to the segment. I'm just thinking about the Seltos' blockbuster success (it was the hottest item back in the day), the mega-luxury Carnival, extremely spacious & comfortable Carens, muscle-car like EV6, the sorted Sonet (still a favourite of many enthusiasts).

And now, the Syros brings a truly unique package to the segment.

Furthermore, sub-4 meter cars are becoming so darn competent. The Syros has space, an equipment list that can embarass Mercedes & BMW models, turbo petrol engine, dual-clutch AT, sorted road manners, a more solid build...wow.

Cars like these make the market interesting & fun for enthusiasts like us who follow the Indian Car Scene closely. Cars like these raise the bar for everyone else in the price band. God bless competition . Take a look at our recent reviews and it's obvious that the overall game is now 2 levels up in all segments. In fact, the only boring launches on that list are the Amaze, X-Trail, Basalt & Alcazar Facelift. Even the Dzire became a 5-star GNCAP car, exciting all of us enough to bring a 15-page discussion.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by ashvek3141

I see no idle start-stop switch in this car.
So finally this stupid regulation has been done with, for good? If yes, then thank goodness! One less button to press during every start-up.

Was it part of any regulation? I thought it was done to eek out the last 0.xx km/l for ARAI figures.

Originally Posted by Bane214

Or even worse, what if there is no way to switch off idle start-stop and the system is ON always ! Most likely that's not the case, but with so many quirky things in this car, you never know.

Originally Posted by ron178

It is interesting that the start-stop button looks like a Škoda and is positioned like a VW
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Originally Posted by Col Mehta

Amen to that. It's really one annoying "feature" that no one in our family uses. Other than starting the car using the Engine Start Stop button, next thing I do is switch it off. Happy to report that it has almost become a muscle memory now .

Originally Posted by AnkitShroff

Any idea why the fuel economy of the diesel (in both Manual and AT) is so less, even compared to the other cars in the segment which offer an ARAI fuel economy of ~24 kmpl?

I was looking forward to swapping my 2021 i20 1.0 turbo DCT with the Syros 1.5 AT due to significantly high running (18-20k kms per year) and had almost made up my mind; however, I am now confused after seeing the fuel economy of 17.x kmpl. Even my BMW’s 2-liter diesel pot with ~190 hp and a much heavier body has a fuel economy (ARAI) of over 20 kmpl.

Is the ARAI figure low because of the boxy shape, torquey nature of the tune and omissions like the idle stop/start?

[arvind_ravi01]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Is the ARAI figure low because of the boxy shape, torquey nature of the tune and omissions like the idle stop/start?

Youtube reviews of Autocar, Overdrive, Evo etc seem to claim it is because of the additional 150kg of weight over the Sonet. That and the boxy shape do not help in aerodynamics leading to these figures. Surprising that the diesel AT is having a lower ARAI FE than the petrol AT.

[Voodooblaster]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Let us await the pricing. Kia Syros pricing is expected to be way above the Sonet.

There is price overlap between mid to upper variants of sonet and the mid to lower variants of Seltos

Syros pricing will have to be a fine balancing act

[Abhisheknott]

Whats with KIA and crappy suspension? Its a great surprise that the Seltos with its thudding suspension is able to scorch the sales chart.

The Syros front looks like a Stormtrooper helmet.

Looks funky enough to be a choice for a urban vehicle and hopefully is the proper successor to the Yeti.

[arvind_ravi01]

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

Really hope your SA's information is correct as it differs from what our SA stated. The Syros's Specifications page does not mention the power window buttons are illuminated.

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The Seltos's Specifications page does say that. So I'm not sure if I can say that it's really offered.

Here you go, from the official brochure. The power windows do get illumination. I hope this clears the confusion.



But what baffles me though, that a standard feature such as button illumination, which was even available in my 2009 Swift is specified as an additional feature these days and it's omission in my 2023 i10 Nios is something that I absolutely dislike.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by arvind_ravi01

Surprising that the diesel AT is having a lower ARAI FE than the petrol AT.

Torque convertor gearbox vs DCT difference.

Rest assured in the real life, the turbo petrol manual will have worse FE than the diesel auto, let alone the turbo petrol DCT.