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Old 20th May 2024, 17:35   #16
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What boils my blood is that we are in 2024 and still this is happening. Typical bollywood movie storyline: Rich kid causes an accident, MLA tries to influence police that someone else was driving the vehicle, raising doubts on the eyewitnesses, kid gets to eat pizza and sleep in the police station after the accident .

I live exactly opposite to Bishop school and have to pass the area frequently. This reminded of an incident that happened last year. Wife and me were travelling on a 2 wheeler towards the Kalyani Veg signal and I hear vroom vroom from behind and can feel a rashly driven vehicle is approaching us. I safely move to the extreme left of the road and slow down. A convertible Audi sedan with the roof open passes us swerving dangerously in and out of the traffic doing their vroom vroom. A quick look at the occupants ( 2 at the front and 1 at the back) and realized they seem too young to be driving such a powerful car let alone a vehicle at that age. Not sure if they were the same people who caused this accident.
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Old 20th May 2024, 17:45   #17
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Finally, justice prevailed - Father Of Pune Teen Charged By Police and the pub where the minor boy was served alcohol, also arrested.

Source - https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pune...ed-too-5705329

CCTV footage of the car being driven - https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/pun...585-2024-05-20
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Old 20th May 2024, 18:38   #18
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For the record:

I am not taking the blame off the Porsche driver. What he did was absolutely wrong. He must be punished by the courts.

I missed the 4th law broken. That was drunk driving. That was definitely my mistake. Apologies.

I have lived in Pune for 20 years on and off. That's where the 99% probability of them not wearing helmets came from. I have myself done lot of helmet awareness and if you google, you will find an 'OATH to God' from over 13 years ago somewhere on the internet that antz.bin will never ride a 2-wheeler without a helmet and I kept my commitment to date regardless of whether I am riding 1km or 1000. And still, my own wife regularly refuses to wear one while riding pillion. I have lived in the city long enough to know the probabilities.

But, I don't hate that guy because he is rich and got bail on a Sunday using his money and influence. I would do the same if I had the resources. I love my family and I am not a hypocrite. It's another matter that I have nowhere near the resources of the family involved.

I am not blaming the victim. Riding without a helmet is against the law. It's not the same as wearing short clothes that is not against the law. As I said. An offense is an offense is an offense. And courts in our country have found this offense serious enough to deny 3rd party claim to another accident victim in Mumbai if I remember correctly (this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum, news article here). They could be in the remaining 1% and then this point would be null and void and it wouldn't have been their fault at all. I do not know 100% if that is the case so I will reserve this till the entire situation is known.

Regarding the car being driven at 150. Who is the source for that information? Or is it the same situation as Dr.Anahita Pandole driving her Mercedes at 200+?

Also, I would have been equally impartial had this been an Nano crashing into a Hayabusa and the Hayabusa riders not surviving. The make of the vehicles involved does not make any offense less or more severe. An offense is an offense is an offense. I may not have been so impartial had the victims been my own family/friends. But fortunately, my family is not involved so I will take this opportunity to learn and make sure it never happens to my loved ones. And if it ever does happen to me, I intend to bloody well make sure that no tom-dick-harry devil's advocate like me can point a finger to it being my own fault.

As they say, never let a crisis go to waste. The last one involving Mr. Cyrus Mistry helped start the conversation about the importance rear seat belts. I hope this one helps shed light on the perils of
1. Underage driving
2. Underage drinking
3. Drunk driving
4. High speeds inside City limits
5. Possibly, riding without a helmet

#5 is closer to my heart than others so it's wishful thinking on my part that this situation changes. Even if a 1000 rich kids go free and flee the country, I don't care as long as 2000 accident victims survive. Parents won't care as much if the driver goes scot free as long as their kids survive such horror. I have been the guy who helped locate and pack the stuff of my best friend's cousin whom we lost to another hit and run in Pune in 2008. All the parents cared about why their 21yr old child didn't survive.

P.S.: Just got to know that the *alleged* driver didn't have any blood alcohol at 11:30 AM on Sunday. 9 hours after the accident. So the drunk driving charge probably isn't going to stick.

Also, it seems that *the driver* was driving, not the kid. So we all know where this is heading. It wouldn't have felt this bad had the 2 people not died.

Edit: Just saw the footage. It was definitely too fast.

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Old 20th May 2024, 19:07   #19
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Case against the father? Finally things are getting serious. Although pubs, clubs etc. serving (and letting in) underaged kids is far too common. Happens here in Gurgaon as well.

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What boils my blood is that we are in 2024 and still this is happening. Typical bollywood movie storyline: Rich kid causes an accident, MLA tries to influence police that someone else was driving the vehicle, raising doubts on the eyewitnesses, kid gets to eat pizza and sleep in the police station after the accident .
Share your sentiment. It's a bit funny at this point to which extent the judicial systems can be exploited through money and influence. Think of all the stuff that's covered up successfully and never makes it out.

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Please note that I'm just slightly older than the accused Vedant Agarwal here, so I'm quite frustrated at seeing what (or lack of) consequences he's getting. Forgive me if some my responses are offensive.

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But, I don't hate that guy because he is rich and got bail on a Sunday using his money and influence. I would do the same if I had the resources. I love my family and I am not a hypocrite. It's another matter that I have nowhere near the resources of the family involved.
Appreciate the honesty, but deep down, if this is true, doesn't it indicate flawed morals? I believe you're better than that and would never actually find yourself in such situation in the first place (allowing an underage son to go clubbing at night, driving a 10 million rupee sportscar recklessly while drunk, etc.).

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Riding without a helmet is against the law. It's not the same as wearing short clothes that is not against the law. As I said. An offense is an offense is an offense. And courts in our country have found this offense serious enough to deny 3rd party claim to another accident victim in Mumbai if I remember correctly (this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum, feel free to search around). They could be in the remaining 1% and then this point would be null and void and it wouldn't have been their fault at all. I do not know 100% if that is the case so I will reserve this till the entire situation is known.
Please look at the bigger picture here. You're seeing a spoilt teen get off easy due to money and power. When he deserves is absolute hell and 'a law is a law' will hardly achieve anything. On our roads, for every law followed, there are 10 broken.

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Regarding the car being driven at 150. Who is the source for that information?
Here's CCTV footage of the Porsche at ridiculous speed just before the accident. Perhaps 150 is an estimate, but it's very clear he was speeding, and by some margin.
https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/pun...585-2024-05-20

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Also, I would have been equally impartial had this been an Nano crashing into a Hayabusa and the Hayabusa riders not surviving. The make of the vehicles involved does not make any offense less or more severe. An offense is an offense is an offense. I may not have been so impartial had the victims been my own family/friends. But fortunately, my family is not involved so I will take this opportunity to learn and make sure it never happens to my loved ones. And if it ever does happen to me, I intend to bloody well make sure that no tom-dick-harry devil's advocate like me can point a finger to it being my own fault.
Again, appreciate the honesty. The make of the vehicle just sensationalizes the incident more to be honest. A Porsche, driven by a 17-year-old, is obviously enraging to read. By the way, it was also unregistered. Not even temporary plates. What does that make you think about the car and its usage now?

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As they say, never let a crisis go to waste. The last one involving Mr. Cyrus Mistry helped start the conversation about the importance rear seat belts. I hope this one helps shed light on the perils of
1. Underage driving
2. Underage drinking
3. Drunk driving
4. High speeds inside City limits
5. Possibly, riding without a helmet
Conversations on Team-BHP are useless. This is a very niche community for enthusiasts and most here are well aware of the perils of the aforementioned. Least we can hope for is justice and the life of Vedant Agarwal to be ruined just as he did for the dead and their families.

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P.S.: Just got to know that the *alleged* driver didn't have any blood alcohol at 11:30 AM on Sunday. 9 hours after the accident.
Also, it seems that *the driver* was driving, not the kid. So we all know where this is heading. It wouldn't have felt this bad had the 2 people not died.
Money, power and corruption at work mate. Nothing else. Hope justice is served.

The accused was asked to write a 300-word essay and do 2 weeks of community service. What a joke. I think your response is more than 300 words.

I hope justice is served, but don't think it will be.

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Watched the footage again.

No helmets as I had initially predicted. No need for me to go foot in mouth.

People refuse to wear helmets.
People keep dying.

This is the real story that never ends and never changes. Sadly nobody even makes a movie about it.

They may or may not have survived given the Speed of the car. But why not give yourself the extra chance to survive? Isn't that what we do when we wear seatbelts or buy a car with n number of airbags? Improve our chances of survival? The car didn't need to be at 100 for them to die without a helmet on. Anybody who has hit their head into a pole while walking carelessly at 5 kmph knows how much it hurts.

Just ask yourself and remain true to your heart. Would the backlash been as bad had the 2 victims been badly injured but still alive? What are we looking for? The perpetrator getting punished or people not dying? Which is higher priority? For me the answer is clear.
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CCTV footage of the car being driven - https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/pun...585-2024-05-20
Hope this reassures 'The Law' in any and every nation to put the driver/car owner/ pub owner behind bars till the day cows come home.

PS - reading 150kmph is one thing, seeing it happen in a bylane in the middle of a locality/mohalla/colony is very scary!
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No helmets as I had initially predicted. No need for me to go foot in mouth.

People refuse to wear helmets.
People keep dying.

This is the real story that never ends and never changes. Sadly nobody even makes a movie about it.
Your argument seems very similar to the infamous case that happened in 2012 in one of the most developed nations on the planet - Singapore.

Heres the footage:



The cab occupants were killed because the Ferrari 599 GTO jumped red light at high speed and T-boned the cab. There was an argument on why the cab did not have side and curtain airbags (Video : Fatal Ferrari 599 GTO crash in Singapore), that could have saved the passengers lives.

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Isn't that what we do when we wear seatbelts or buy a car with n number of airbags? Improve our chances of survival?
Why dont we just drive around in T-90 Bhishma tanks to safely travel and call it a day .
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So they are also (probably) somewhat responsible for their own death due to a law they broke. So is it correct to put a person in jail for a mistake that someone else made?

Now, such a situation can happen with any one of us. As motoring enthusiasts, we drive/ride a lot.
Eye opening post in a negative sense. With your logic; each and every pedestrian on city roads should wear a helmet because they have to ensure they are not hit by a car driving rashly at 150kmph. As if it's a squid game episode.

Secondly, no, it should not happen with us because as a motoring enthusiasts, we do not drive or encourage driving at 150kmph on city roads.
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Watched the footage again.

No helmets as I had initially predicted. No need for me to go foot in mouth.

People refuse to wear helmets.
People keep dying.

This is the real story that never ends and never changes. Sadly nobody even makes a movie about it.

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To me it looks like, you have an agenda, agenda that everyone should wear a helmet, which obviously is not a bad thing in itself but using the deaths of two young people to peddle it, is kind of low.

I don't mean to be rude but it is getting too much and trust me you are not helping the cause of wearing helmet by sharing what you think about this accident.
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Finally, justice prevailed - Father Of Pune Teen Charged By Police and the pub where the minor boy was served alcohol, also arrested.
A few hours ago the Police Commissioner, Pune, has stated that the police are going for an appeal to the Sessions Court against the decision of the Justice Juvenile Board. The latter had sugar-coated its verdict for the juveline delinquent.
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Watched the footage again.

No helmets as I had initially predicted. No need for me to go foot in mouth.

People refuse to wear helmets.
People keep dying.
You are focusing on the non use of helmet more than the speed of the car. What would be your defence if it was a pedestrian?

If the car was not speeding, there would not have been the need for a helmet. Hence that, and the circumstances surrounding it should be the focus area.
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Enough!

In this instance, none of much care about the helmets.

Whenever I read something like "Car rams 2-wheeler" in the press, I always have the mental question but what was the biker doing? In this instance. I'm not asking.

We have a car. Let's forget about the price/luxury/power level, so we can leave aside any biases, for or against that. We have a car being driven at great speed by a kid. That's all that really matters.

Can we move on?
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My God, I HATE THESE RICH PEOPLE!! The whole system including the Judiciary is rotten to the core. I wonder how much cash changed hands that night.

If your blood doesn't boil reading all this, you are either the Rich behaving this way or getting Rich off such practices. I end my rant. Sorry, Team-BHP Mods.
Am envious of your courage to type this out, you spoke my and probably a few 100 other's mind as well who won't have the guts to call it out!

This case is just another testament to the fact that Money > Value of life in India we just have to live with it
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We have a car. Let's forget about the price/luxury/power level, so we can leave aside any biases, for or against that. We have a car being driven at great speed by a kid. That's all that really matters.

Can we move on?
Agree 100%, I would just add one word..

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We have a car being driven at great speed by a drunk kid. That's all that really matters.
Clear Open and Shut case.

Yes, let’s move on!

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