[whitewing]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

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Does anybody personally see this happening, that 5/10x unknown-but-within-your-social-circles died (of all causes) in 2021 than in the BC (Before Covid)era?

5/10x under reporting is an exaggeration? Or is my analysis wrong?

In my social circle I definitely see a spurt, but don't quite have an handle on the 'x'.
In the firm I'm employed in, based on the passing away of colleagues, the second wave has taken away atleast 5x the number, if not more.

[Bhalla]

Canada is going to open border with USA from 9 August

[Zen2001]

Data from Israel - the first country to "vaccinate" it's (majority?) population. Is it back to square one now?

[deathwalkr]

Meanwhile, the situation here in Kerala seems to be going from bad to worse. We have a TPR based staggered lockdown and it does not really make sense.

Don't know when things will settle...

[am1m]

Originally Posted by Zen2001

Data from Israel - the first country to "vaccinate" it's (majority?) population. Is it back to square one now?

Perhaps not:

https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1417813556888735750

[DigitalOne]

Originally Posted by Zen2001

Data from Israel - the first country to "vaccinate" it's (majority?) population. Is it back to square one now?

Originally Posted by am1m

Perhaps not:

https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1417813556888735750

Whether it is waning immunity or the vaccines do not provide the immunity against Delta variant will be known in few months.

But what is clear is this - All these so-called "advanced countries" (US, UK. Israel etc) had clear 4 months time to prepare for the Delta variant since the time it was identified in India in April. And yet they are failing. India had to contend with the highly transmissible Delta variant without any advance warning.

[locusjag]

Hairloss is a symptom we're seeing post COVID in our family members. And I have bad knees after my having had COVID 7 months ago. What else are we missing? I'm going to avail of my employer's master health checkup to check. There are reports talking about fatty liver and other complications post COVID. I hope a standard blood test will suffice to detect any anomalies brought on by COVID.

Just sharing my thoughts, so that other post COVID members may think of getting their own master health checkups done. Long COVID is something to look out for.

[Zen2001]

Back to square one - vaccinating the world (even if possible) in a frenzy is NOT the answer. Vaccine immunity will ALWAYS lag behind natural immunity and also be less durable and wane off faster. Boosters are useless for evolving variants. Young individuals and children, especially, need to get back to normal in-person activities as no amount of lockdowns and distancing are going to solve this problem. Social, psychological and economic well being is together more important than merely physical.

Originally Posted by locusjag

Hairloss is a symptom we're seeing post COVID in our family members. And I have bad knees after my having had COVID 7 months ago. What else are we missing? I'm going to avail of my employer's master health checkup to check. There are reports talking about fatty liver and other complications post COVID. I hope a standard blood test will suffice to detect any anomalies brought on by COVID.

Just sharing my thoughts, so that other post COVID members may think of getting their own master health checkups done. Long COVID is something to look out for.

That's the mistake. Many post viral sequelae are well known for many viral infections, some of which (like chicken pox) date back to childhood but sequelae are experienced even half a century later (herpes zoster). Blaming everything that happens after covid on covid is just convenient and does nothing but keep your panic levels up. Many "complications" might just be the manifestations of an accumulation of lifestyle factors, simply being exposed after a viral illness! (Fatty liver?). Furthermore, there is no "standard" bold test (or for that matter, any test) to conclusively link any anomaly to previous covid infection. Think - when there are a hundred fold asymptomatic and mild covid infections (undiagnosed by testing) behind every tested case, why do only the ones with positive tests report post covid symptoms?

[aan nhu mare?]

Those who were infected: how severe was your loss of taste and smell? Could you taste sweet and sour things? How long did it last?

[Zen2001]

The party you're paying for -

https://youtu.be/Id9W8jqjTaE

[IamNikhil]

Originally Posted by aan nhu mare?

Those who were infected: how severe was your loss of taste and smell? Could you taste sweet and sour things? How long did it last?

This was quite varied from case to case. Had multiple cases in my friend and family circle. Some had loss of taste/smell for well over 4-5 days, while for some it reverted back to normal within 48 hrs. All of them were under home isolation and needed no medication; treated it with basic home remedies.

[dragracer567]

It seems India has decided not to accept any American vaccine donations because of the indemnity issue. I honestly don't understand why India is being so bureaucratic about this since every other nation on earth has provided indemnity to vaccine makers (the rights and wrongs over indemnity in another debate). According to the BBC, SII is producing about 110 million doses of Covishield while Bharat Biotech is producing about 25-30 million doses of Covaxin. This clearly not enough as ideally, we need to be vaccinating 10 million people a day and other vaccines like Sputnik and Novavax will only be available in numbers after September. So, the availability of foreign vaccines (70 million Pfizer and 7.5 million Moderna are being offered) could be provide some support however small the availability is.

This seems like pure arrogance from the Indian polity and bureaucracy despite our flagging vaccination program and the devastating second wave. We are literally falling behind developing countries in Asia and Latin America that got most of their doses through donations while India is supposedly the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world.

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[nandrive]

Originally Posted by dragracer567

It seems India has decided not to accept any American vaccine donations because of the indemnity issue.

It will be a great service to Indians and humanity if America doesn't block raw materials needed for vaccine manufacturing rather than virtue signalling PR stunt of vaccine donation.

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by nandrive

It will be a great service to Indians and humanity if America doesn't block raw materials needed for vaccine manufacturing rather than virtue signalling PR stunt of vaccine donation.

What aboutery doesn’t help. America opened up the export of raw materials back in June and it is no longer a bottleneck. Are we hitting back at the Americans for blocking raw materials by not accepting American donations (and hurting ourselves)? How does that make sense? If you put it that way, many of my friends in Africa are stuck because they got the first dose of Covishield but then India stopped exporting vaccines because of the second wave, so they don’t have a second dose. So, just to engage in whataboutery, is America wrong in blocking raw materials (which they’ve lifted) while India is right in blocking vaccine exports?

[dragonfire]

I think the vaccines are not working.

From "vaccines will provide herd immunity" we have come so far to "vaccines prevent serious illness and death".

Now we know that is not true, either. A year later, they might revise it to "you will have a less painful death".

Remember when the pandemic started, they used to say "you don't need a mas unless you are sick".

Then they said, general population only need surgical or cloth masks. N95 are for medical professionals.

But now we are even talking about double masking.

And remember that - don't panic, covid doesn't spread through air, but only via touch? And keep washing and washing your hands and covid will be defeated? Remember all those alcohol you rubbed on to your hands which should have made their way to your whiskeys and rums?

Thumb rule, don't believe the so called "authorities". When they tell you to do or not do something that always has an agenda behind it.

They say, it is for your good even if we may be lying to you. Because you are ill equipped to think for yourselves. All the best brains were elected by you "less brained" folks to take actions on your behalf. So trust them.