[khanak]

From Ontario, Canada where Pfizer, Moderna and Covishield(from India) were used.

Ontario #COVID19 Recent Cases & Outcomes by Vaccination Status
(June 12/21-July 10/21, age 12+)

95.7% of cases, 97.4% of hospitalizations, 99.5% of ICU admissions, & 95.8% of deaths occurred in unvaccinated or partially vax'd individuals.

Source and additional data - https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/1419796209565409282

[kushagra452]

Number of daily Covid cases in India isn't falling below 40000. It is range bound between 40k and 45k. It seems the govt will miss it's target of vaccinating all adults by 31 December, 2021. I hope the third wave is nowhere near as lethal as the second wave. People have forgotten all Covid protocols and are going about their business as if there is no pandemic. Let's hope for the best.

[IamNikhil]

Seems the booster dose is going to be a necessity soon. Major nations are planning for the third shot in the pipeline.

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/eur...w/85083745.cms

The WHO has been a meek bystander all through the pandemic and seems to have lost it's credibility along the way.

Also came across a report that UK will allow exemptions from quarantine, etc for fully-vaccinated people from EU and USA, but those traveling from India, even after being fully vaccinated, will have to undergo a mandatory quarantine. This reeks of discrimination against Covaxin and Covishield (which is technically a UK-partnered vaccine!).

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/...w/85056950.cms

[Thad E Ginathom]

Yes, covishield is astraZeneca and should be recognised as such. There was some talk that this would be done, but I read that several weeks ago: I gather it has not been done.

[PhantomLord]

Originally Posted by khanak

From Ontario, Canada where Pfizer, Moderna and Covishield(from India) were used.

Cannada data needs more time, since Vaxx numbers only ramped up after July, so check back on her account in Oct-Nov.

Originally Posted by v1p3r

No offence, but I didn't understand anything in the above parallels you drew to airbags. Also, what is CV and TV?

See https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/statu...22271503028228

You can follow Robert Malone, his reputation was slandered for speaking up, but looks like now NIH & DoD are asking for his input.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/statu...39743425830914 - Tweet about NIH
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/statu...70980361887746 - Tweet about DoD

Indian connection - One of his disclosure he stated that he is consultant for Reliance to produce low cost Vaccine.

[khanak]

Originally Posted by PhantomLord

Cannada data needs more time, since Vaxx numbers only ramped up after July, so check back on her account in Oct-Nov.

From America

More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/10170...e-unvaccinated

[Zen2001]

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[Turbanator]

A question for the learned folks, should someone not be focusing efforts on some sort of drugs to effectively treat this virus simultaneously? Like that cocktail mix which is reserved for certain specific type (in India).

I mean, we all have seen, vaccines are effective only a bit, is it so difficult to develop a treatment?

[PhantomLord]

Originally Posted by khanak

From America



https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/10170...e-unvaccinated

You need to track in this order Israel > UK > US


I am not sure if anyone wants Vaccine to not work or worried about educated people making their choices, it would be foolish to believe someone bothers about your health except for you. Problem is with forcing it on entire population without telling them the actual risk vs benefit and not recording any side effects.

Govts went ahead with mass vaccinations with no alternative plans when ADE was known risk since Oct 2020. Now there is proof of probable ADE, in such case mass vaccination like we are doing now will only lead to country being large chicken farm.

Report: 14 Israelis have caught COVID-19 despite receiving booster shot

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...-booster-shot/

[khanak]

Originally Posted by PhantomLord

You need to track in this order Israel > UK > US

Curious why you don't think the Canadian and US data is as relevant.

[PhantomLord]

Originally Posted by khanak

Curious why you don't think the Canadian and US data is as relevant.

Give it span of 3-4 months, example - in Canadian data the sample period had more Unvaccinated people than Vaccinated(~30%).

[khanak]

Originally Posted by PhantomLord

Give it span of 3-4 months, example - in Canadian data the sample period had more Unvaccinated people than Vaccinated(~30%).

Aah ok. You're correct about the ~30%

Although 30.8% of Ontarians age 12+ were fully vaccinated as of July 10, they only accounted for:
- 4.3% of cases
-2.6% of hospitalizations
-0.5% of ICU admissions
-4.2% of deaths

Although only 21.7% of Ontarians age 12+ were unvaccinated as of July 10, they accounted for:
-57.0% of cases
-75.2% of hospitalizations
-83.9% of ICU admissions
-84.9% of deaths

https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/...629657090?s=20


What about the US data?

The striking relationship between vaccination and hospitalization in US states.




https://www.ft.com/content/21ed4e9c-...8-6b76212beef8

[DigitalOne]

Bangalore Municipal corporation (BBMP) has found an innovative way to up the fear-factor

Threshold for micro-containment zones reduced from 10 to three

The number of micro-containment zones in the city has risen to 101, after the Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) recently re-defined the parameters, making them more stringent. Initially, a micro-containment zone was defined as a 100-metre radius around a place from where more than 10 COVID-19 positive cases were reported. The number has now been reduced to three.

Source: The Hindu

Naturally, the scare/anxiety increases:

Micro-containment zones in Bengaluru rise to 141

The number of micro-containment zones in Bengaluru has risen to 141, at least 40 more than last week, according to data put out by the Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP). There were less than 100 micro-containment zones till last week. Authorities have taken stringent measures of sealing down residences and apartment complexes in areas where three or more positive cases have been found reported in close proximity. An area where there are three positive cases in a 100 m radius is designated as a micro-containment zone.

Source: The News Minute

At this rate, we will soon be back to March 2020 levels when entire hospitals were shut down when 1 case was detected.

[am1m]

Originally Posted by DigitalOne

At this rate, we will soon be back to March 2020 levels when entire hospitals were shut down when 1 case was detected.

This "target" of "eliminating" covid remains in popular imagination. Whatever we thought of in early 2020 led by the calls to "war on covid", "victory over covid" have proved to be wrong, but the reality has not sunk in that "eliminating" covid is as realistic as eliminating colds for ever.

The hope is that vaccination will eventually reduce deaths and serious cases over time but there will always be cases going around. Until people realize that, in addition to the misery that is certainly being caused by the virus, there will be the additional misery inflicted by people trying for "covid-zero", misery inflicted on others and on themselves.

[BTW, there were still 140 recorded polio cases last year. Waiting for some media outlet to flash this headline: over 500% increase in recorded polio cases in just 3-years! Are the vaccines really protecting our children?! (There were 22 cases recorded in 2017.)]

[msdivy]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

A question for the learned folks, should someone not be focusing efforts on some sort of drugs to effectively treat this virus simultaneously? Like that cocktail mix which is reserved for certain specific type (in India).

I mean, we all have seen, vaccines are effective only a bit, is it so difficult to develop a treatment?

Medicines for COVID-19 already exist. Whoever is sick is getting the treatment & is recovering. There is no drug yet that will provide permanent immunity against any of the diseases discovered so far - I mean drug which guarantees 100% against infection.

There are 2 rules to stay healthy:
(1) Don't get infected (say avoid mosquito bites for malaria. Similarly there are few for the common cold, covid)
(2) If infected, get good treatment.

It is in the 'good treatment part where there was a systemic failure resulting in emergencies. The immediate need is,
a) Standart protocol/recommendation for covid treatment across the country from whoever is responsible - ICMR? AIIMS? NIV? Health Ministry? (if already exists, then good).
b) Availability of the medical facility to impart this treatment. (need fever clinics, medical camps in affected areas).

(During 1st & 2nd waves, there was no fixed treatment protocol. Secondly, most doctors had closed down their practice, which stressed out the available facility, resulting in chaos).

PS: You may check this post (The Coronavirus Thread) .