Speed ticket on Mumbai Pune expressway

razor4077 · 14th August 2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by diabloo

I don't get it.

Why don't you all stick to 80Kmph speed limit? Whats wrong with that speed? Just because your car can goes fast doesn't mean that you have to break the speed limit. Or you don't have to drive at top speed of your car everywhere. Even if your car can go fast, you have to stick to the speed limit.

My friend's Ferrari in US can do 200mph. But he always maintains 70mph, which is the speed limit. Why does our fellow countrypersons always have a problem to follow the rule?

Hats off to the cops in putting their life in danger to enforce the law of the land.

I respect your viewpoint. Most, if not all of us would agree that there should be some speed limit, and this should be adhered to.
However, as some have already expressed, the speed limits that are set should be more realistic in nature. 80 kph on a beautiful road like the Pune-Mum expressway is a plain stupid rule.
As for the US, 70 mph = 112 kph, which is more like it for a good highway/expressway.

porsche_fan · 14th August 2007, 19:01

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Originally Posted by razor4077

I respect your viewpoint. Most, if not all of us would agree that there should be some speed limit, and this should be adhered to.
However, as some have already expressed, the speed limits that are set should be more realistic in nature. 80 kph on a beautiful road like the Pune-Mum expressway is a plain stupid rule.
As for the US, 70 mph = 112 kph, which is more like it for a good highway/expressway.

I agree with you. Here in Europe, on 4 lane motorways, the speed limit is usually between 110-130 kmph. If I remember correctly, the limit on national highways in India is 60 kmph and on the expressway its 80 kmph. Given the vast difference between the two types of roads, the limit should be set higher.

2fast4u · 14th August 2007, 19:22

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Originally Posted by amitsingh08

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On Friday evening, as I was 3 km into the expressway from the Mumbai side, I was confronted by 3 policeman frantically jumping on the middle shoulder, pointing at my car, and asking me to stop. One of them had a big radar in their hand.

I was doing 110 and the signs on the expressway read 80. I always thought that was a recommended-speed sign and not a legal limit.

I left that place paying a Rs 200 fine. They didnt know what speed I was going. But were sure it was over 80.

There was a line at the ticket punching cop - those guys made a killing that evening

Amit

in that case its better to travel by the MSRTC Volvo who do 110+

Amey · 14th August 2007, 19:29

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Originally Posted by adman77

Are you serious? That's too fast man. Please drive a little slower next time,

Lol thats a typo , i wanted to say 140 kmph

BaCkSeAtDrIVeR · 14th August 2007, 19:34

While agreeing that trhere are some stretches of roads which deserve a higher speed limit, please recognise that speed limits are are not decided merely by road conditions.

Remember, the Mumbai Pune expressway is the road where we face maximum number of tyres bursting, due to overheated tyres.

1100D · 14th August 2007, 19:40

Why are some of us even thinking of having limits US style.

Autobahns have only recommended limits. It will be interesting to compare the accident statistics of Autobahns with that of US interstates.

Its only that their cars are designed keeping Nurburbring in mind (and not a mere real-estate parking lot).

rks · 14th August 2007, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Rtech

Does anyone notice the Police Sumo stationed just after we take the sharp left under the old overpass, just before the Khandala tunnel (en route from Mumbai to Pune). Those cops seem to be after Sumo's and those sort of vehicles. What do they catch them for?? Too many passengers?

Possibly they are also being checked for illegal cargo.I have also seen those cops catch two-wheelers, who get a nasty surprise immediately after taking that left. I make sure I have my seat-belts on and observe the speed limit of 60 kmph there.

swale84 · 14th August 2007, 20:23

"What if we don't stop?? I doubt they have fast vehicles that could barely go above 120 kmph and that too it'd take them a really long time to reach such a speed in a Diesel Mahindra or Toyota Qualis. Has anyone done this?"

If you don't stop, you don't pay a fine

Are there any specific points where these cops linger around to extort their haftas? Maybe we can be extra-cautious when approaching these speed-check points.

Usually they wait under the shade of an overpass or flyover. Actually quite easy to spot from a distance, since theres always quite a few of them.

revvhed · 14th August 2007, 20:24

I seem to remember that when the expressway was just built the speed limit posted on it was 120 kmph on the expressway and 80 kmph in the tunnels. This, i assume, in all probability, would have been the safe speed limit suggested by the people who built the expressway. I'm sure that people who have driven on the expressway will agree that this is a relaxed cruising speed given the kind of road. In fact i have observed that at 120 kmph you don't have to lift off for the turns at all, anywhere (i know that most of us don't need to lift off for much higher speeds but that's not the point i'm trying to make here). What i'm trying to point out is that the construction of this expressway (what will all the bankings n' all) is such that the originally posted speed limit of 120 kmph was both realistic and safe.
It was only after a few "high profile" accidents that there was a knee jerk reaction and the speed limit was brought down to 80 kmph throughout. The fact that these accidents were not caused by the speed limit seemed to be lost on the general public at large since this was never investigated and the true cause of the accidents never revealed. There was a lot of harping on "tyre bursts due to the high speed" but it was never mentioned that the tyres burst, not because of the speed, but because they were in deplorable condition in the first place. There is now a greater general awareness about the importance of good tyres for high speeds and i think that the speed limit can now be brought back to the more realistic 120 kmph as posted earlier.
Besides, in studies carried out abroad it has been proven that motorists are more inclined to observe a speed limit if it is realistic and that speed limits that are set too low are mostly flouted with greater abandon.

swale84 · 14th August 2007, 21:12

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Originally Posted by revvhed

I seem to remember that when the expressway was just built the speed limit posted on it was 120 kmph on the expressway and 80 kmph in the tunnels. This, i assume, in all probability, would have been the safe speed limit suggested by the people who built the expressway. I'm sure that people who have driven on the expressway will agree that this is a relaxed cruising speed given the kind of road. In fact i have observed that at 120 kmph you don't have to lift off for the turns at all, anywhere ... What i'm trying to point out is that the construction of this expressway (what will all the bankings n' all) is such that the originally posted speed limit of 120 kmph was both realistic and safe.
.......it was never mentioned that the tyres burst, not because of the speed, but because they were in deplorable condition in the first place.

Besides, in studies carried out abroad it has been proven that motorists are more inclined to observe a speed limit if it is realistic and that speed limits that are set too low are mostly flouted with greater abandon.

Totally agree with you Revvhed. I happen to do a round trip on the expressway at the least once a week, if not more.

120 is a very realistic speed limit and also people are more likely to stick to this.

In fact, after the Pune mini meet this Saturday, N_C & I headed back to Mumbai together, him in his RS & me in my Zen. Inspite of being in completely different cars, we drove together the entire time at speeds hovering around 110 - 120 kmph (apart from a couple of stretches were he zipped off with me in hot pursuit).

Goes to show, 120 is a comfortable speed regardless of what top speed your car can do (as long as its well maintained of course)

Suhail

amitsingh08 · 14th August 2007, 22:55

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Originally Posted by swale84

If you don't stop, you don't pay a fine

Suhail, I'm going to try not stopping next time. Their jumping can freak anyone out; valid reason I think. I doubt if they will bother radioing ahead. Too many people were stopping and had to pay.

Do you use expressway on weekends?

swale84 · 15th August 2007, 01:57

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Originally Posted by amitsingh08

Suhail, I'm going to try not stopping next time. Their jumping can freak anyone out; valid reason I think. I doubt if they will bother radioing ahead. Too many people were stopping and had to pay.

Do you use expressway on weekends?

Yeah, don't bother stopping. In fact, I think their jumping into the middle of the expressway flailing their hands is more of a safety hazard than driving at 120 kmph. So is the fact that you have to immediately pull into the left lane and slow down. Its a recipe for a multi car pile up just waiting to happen.

Yes I use the expressway every weekend and sometimes during the week as well.

Suhail

Disclaimer: The above statements are purely my opinion & based on my own experience. Team bhp in no way condones overspeeding and breaking the law

xinome · 15th August 2007, 02:48

guess what fellow bhpians night vision camera radars installed in trivandrum NH47 and i have to pass by them thrice a day, now how ironic is that!

so one tiny favor ( how much do these car detectors cost and is it available here in India )
JUST ASKING don't get all mommy on me!

goldsun · 15th August 2007, 07:22

Team-BHP is now part of the BIG BOARD. why do not we associate ourselves with the authorities and help them in formulating the realistic limits / rules, etc. I am sure we must be having members amongst us who can do this.

amtak · 15th August 2007, 09:55

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Originally Posted by diabloo

I don't get it.

Why don't you all stick to 80Kmph speed limit? Whats wrong with that speed? Just because your car can goes fast doesn't mean that you have to break the speed limit. Or you don't have to drive at top speed of your car everywhere. Even if your car can go fast, you have to stick to the speed limit.

Hats off to the cops in putting their life in danger to enforce the law of the land.

2 points to your statement:

1) When the expressway was built, I can say that we didn't have good quality or Expressway quality tires for all cars. We have them now...Also, the drivers are well informed of how to drive on these roads. Over the last few years, the accidents on the freeways or expressways have been quite less apart from the BIIIIIIG LORRIES!

2) I would say that a cop jumping into the middle of the road and trying to stop a car is utter stupidity. As someone said that they should you alarms and lights to stop the vehicle.What if you are NOT able to stop the car in time? the Newpapers get a headline, a Cop runover by a rich driver (no matter what the truth is)

PS: these are my personal views and do not mean to offend anyone. I respect the HUMAN ELEMENT and SAFETY First is my motto. Going FAST does not mean that you are RASH.

14th August 2007, 19:34	#35
BaCkSeAtDrIVeR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 2,540 Thanked: 758 Times	While agreeing that trhere are some stretches of roads which deserve a higher speed limit, please recognise that speed limits are are not decided merely by road conditions. Remember, the Mumbai Pune expressway is the road where we face maximum number of tyres bursting, due to overheated tyres.
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1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,117 Times View My Garage	Why are some of us even thinking of having limits US style. Autobahns have only recommended limits. It will be interesting to compare the accident statistics of Autobahns with that of US interstates. Its only that their cars are designed keeping Nurburbring in mind (and not a mere real-estate parking lot). Last edited by 1100D : 14th August 2007 at 19:42.
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14th August 2007, 20:23	#38
swale84 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 457 Thanked: 9 Times	"What if we don't stop?? I doubt they have fast vehicles that could barely go above 120 kmph and that too it'd take them a really long time to reach such a speed in a Diesel Mahindra or Toyota Qualis. Has anyone done this?" If you don't stop, you don't pay a fine Are there any specific points where these cops linger around to extort their haftas? Maybe we can be extra-cautious when approaching these speed-check points. Usually they wait under the shade of an overpass or flyover. Actually quite easy to spot from a distance, since theres always quite a few of them.
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14th August 2007, 20:24	#39
revvhed BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 184 Thanked: 30 Times	I seem to remember that when the expressway was just built the speed limit posted on it was 120 kmph on the expressway and 80 kmph in the tunnels. This, i assume, in all probability, would have been the safe speed limit suggested by the people who built the expressway. I'm sure that people who have driven on the expressway will agree that this is a relaxed cruising speed given the kind of road. In fact i have observed that at 120 kmph you don't have to lift off for the turns at all, anywhere (i know that most of us don't need to lift off for much higher speeds but that's not the point i'm trying to make here). What i'm trying to point out is that the construction of this expressway (what will all the bankings n' all) is such that the originally posted speed limit of 120 kmph was both realistic and safe. It was only after a few "high profile" accidents that there was a knee jerk reaction and the speed limit was brought down to 80 kmph throughout. The fact that these accidents were not caused by the speed limit seemed to be lost on the general public at large since this was never investigated and the true cause of the accidents never revealed. There was a lot of harping on "tyre bursts due to the high speed" but it was never mentioned that the tyres burst, not because of the speed, but because they were in deplorable condition in the first place. There is now a greater general awareness about the importance of good tyres for high speeds and i think that the speed limit can now be brought back to the more realistic 120 kmph as posted earlier. Besides, in studies carried out abroad it has been proven that motorists are more inclined to observe a speed limit if it is realistic and that speed limits that are set too low are mostly flouted with greater abandon.
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15th August 2007, 02:48	#43
xinome BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: I am lost.... Posts: 339 Thanked: Once	guess what fellow bhpians night vision camera radars installed in trivandrum NH47 and i have to pass by them thrice a day, now how ironic is that! so one tiny favor ( how much do these car detectors cost and is it available here in India ) JUST ASKING don't get all mommy on me! Last edited by xinome : 15th August 2007 at 02:51.
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15th August 2007, 07:22	#44
goldsun BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 229 Thanked: 50 Times	Team-BHP is now part of the BIG BOARD. why do not we associate ourselves with the authorities and help them in formulating the realistic limits / rules, etc. I am sure we must be having members amongst us who can do this.
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