[shatrughna]

- 1000kmph! It would be a guinnes record ( in a Scorpio). Thanks for pointing out. Man it was past midnight and I may be pardoned for the typo.

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Pramods,

(feedback based on my 2.2 Safari) What I have noticed is that if you run the vehicle at speeds varying from 80-100kmph (where the RPM, which is the main key, is slightly shy of 2000 or 2000) you get the best KMPL. I reckon these engine are at the optimal performing range there. Go beyond 2000RPM and it is a fast track down for the FE. But then, some KM's of spirited drive in a long trip will not make much of a difference.

Another advantage of the 80-100kmph driving is the your get more time to react or take evasive action for road surprises - translates to lesser braking / need to change gear, etc.



Ok, the 6th gear and AT at work here, so this is all together a different ball game. But I still think that the RPM of 2000 should be the working range.

And Shatrughna, caught you on the typo!

Tomorrow morning, we (some scorpio fans & bashers) are gathering near Thane to try out the 4X4 and also install Petes box on it. Though I guess, we wont be able to achieve the speeds required for attaining 6th gear as indicated by you, but I will try and gather some additionl info , if possible.

Originally Posted by pramods

Shatrughan, I tried that, the RPM after 100kmph+ will go on increasing and then changes to 6th gear, once the change happen the RPM comes back to some where 2.3K RPM, I noticed the speed to be in range of 120kmph when this happens try and let me know too, I am still learning the AT tricks to utilize the gearing to max. I have done 3K till date.

-Pramod

Its supposed to be some kind of hill-hold function. It has been programmed with safety in mind- and probably a lot of women too drive Scorpio , so it will definitely be a useful feature. We will have to figure out some way to get out of this feature(not attaining speed when coming down hill).

Originally Posted by ananth_iy

Pramod,

Have you figured out the Uphill and Downhill mode - this is supposed to alter the gear shift schedule based on the gradient. I have found one place where it really works and another where is seems to suck.

When I am on a steep downhill, the vehicle doesn't keep gaining speed, it just seems to hold speed - I am talking still in D and not in M mode. That really saves me the need to apply the brakes

But what I didn't like is it seems to take even small inclines (as less as 5 degrees) as uphills and then I suddenly find that the vehicle is not shifting from 3rd to 4th at 45kmph anymore but holding in 3rd and that is really irritating me.

What's your experience?

Will try it out tomorrow- our tech meet and update if any breakthrough is there.

Originally Posted by pramods

I did not notice this, may be because all the uphill and downhill that I tried were difficult and more so on offroad scenarios and I tried them in 4H or very stiff one in 4L, next time I will try to see this, but if works as experienced by you I believe that's what it should be may be they configured it very aggressively rather than doing lots of number crunching to figure out what load what angle and so on. Now I am curious to experience this uphill and downhill mechanism!!

-Pramod

Wherever I went over flyovers, didnt notice any peculiarity, probably, I was driving sedately so didnt notice anything different. Will try it out tomorrow.

Originally Posted by tanwaramit

how about climbing flyovers ? Does it work like this on the flyovers too ?

Originally Posted by ananth_iy

It does, but as I am reading the feature I am realizing that there are multiple technologies at play here - there is also a feature called a fast-off mode that holds the current gear for a preset time in case we let go of the accelerator pedal.

To summarize, now there are four tehcnologies at play (at least)

1) the basic shift schedule for an automatic - common for all AT
2) the shift schedule based on the stepping on the accelerator - common for all ATs again
3) the holding of gears in case of sudden release of accelerator
4) the shift schedule based on the gradient

In case we are trying an overtake on a flyover 2,3 and 4 could all be applicable.

I have to do some more experimentation

Well - this is a bit technical and hope you get us some more insights.

Originally Posted by GTO

Remember, this is a Mahindra AT . IIRC, they had improved on the software control part, and released some kind of update for older Scorpio ATs.

I have tried two other ATs and all three have their own characteristics. Wishing M&M is as reliable. Hope someone on this forum updates a bit more on the characteristics of this AT so as to get max out of it.

[desertfox]

Does the Scorpio 4WD M/T or A/T come only in VLX these days or SLE and GX / LX as well ?

[pramods]

Just VLX version for both AT or MT with other constrains like limited color and seating options, even though this built on confirm order with 90 days delivery schedule.
-Pramod

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by desertfox

Does the Scorpio 4WD M/T or A/T come only in VLX these days or SLE and GX / LX as well ?

They used to offer an SLE 4WD but it didn't have the ABS or the 2.2 Mhawk engine and the price differential over the SLX 2WD was ridiculous. I put up a thread in the 4x4 section about the details. Check that out for the price difference and spec of the SLE 4WD. There an SLE 4WD in Cochin that usually takes part in the Kerala OTRs. The outer body is same as the revised range, but the engine is still the 2.6 CRDe (not mhawk) and ABS is eliminated.

[desertfox]

I would rather not have ABS and Airbags in an off road going vehicle unless there is a switch to shut off airbag deployment. I have seen it all. I saw a Rangerover summersault on a high dune descent when the front wheels got locked.

In 2007 when we were doing the launch drive program for the new Landcruiser 200, Graham Leech the Marketing Manager for Al Futtaim Motors - Toyota decided to have a little spin in the dunes. Three of my Marshal team went with him on the sortie. He was not a very accompalished off road driver, and as usual did not bother to diengage the Airbag deployment switch ( many off roaders actually get the deploymnent sensor disabled in Prado / Pajero / Grand Cherookee or Nissan Patrol ).

Mr. Leech hit a pocket in the dunes and the side airbags deployed. It was an ungainly sight to see a Marshal driving back that Landcruiser and Graham nursing a head injury!

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by desertfox

I would rather not have ABS and Airbags in an off road going vehicle unless there is a switch to shut off airbag deployment.

Then the Scorpio SLE 4WD is the vehicle for you provided it is still available. I don't mind Airbags and ABS on my scorpio as I needed the 4WD for use in the farm/estate during the rains. I also use it a lot on the highway at high speeds and felt that the trade off was worth it. I would rather have my head get injured by an air bag than a bus...

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by desertfox

Does the Scorpio 4WD M/T or A/T come only in VLX these days or SLE and GX / LX as well ?

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

They used to offer an SLE 4WD...
...the engine is still the 2.6 CRDe (not mhawk)

That, AFAIK, is called the SLX 4WD. The Refresh body with the 2.6 CRDe engine & mechanicals, which was supplied to the armed forces in large numbers some months ago. Not sure if it's being built to order now, after BS-IV norms came into force. The SLE has the mHawk engine and 2WD only. The 4WD + mHawk combo comes only in VLX trim - M/T or A/T, and with or without airbags.

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

I would rather have my head get injured by an air bag than a bus...

[desertfox]

Went to the dealership in Gurgaon and made the advance payment of Rs. 50,000 for a Black Scorpio VLX 4WD M/T.

Delivery in end February 2011.

[desertfox]

As of date - Scorpio 4x4 comes only in VLX, M/T or MT and Tata Safari 4x4 in VX model only, Gurgaon on road price Rs. 12 Lakhs 50,000 odd.

Dealer days two lower models EX and GX discontinued in 4x4.

Same case with scorpio, SLX 4x4 discontinued.

Bolero 4x4 with XDP3U engine also discontinued. Perhaps the one with the 2.6 CRDe version in production. Scorpio Showroom GM said this too is discontinued but I think he was unsure.

Can anyone verify this please ?

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by desertfox

Same case with scorpio, SLX 4x4 discontinued.

Bolero 4x4 with XDP3U engine also discontinued. Perhaps the one with the 2.6 CRDe version in production. Scorpio Showroom GM said this too is discontinued but I think he was unsure.

Can anyone verify this please ?

Scorpio SLX CRDe 4WD is available as BS-III only, so registration in Delhi/NCR is not possible - otherwise available on order, for registration in smaller towns where BS-III norms apply from April 2010. Bolero 4WD with XDP engine doesn't meet BS-III norms either and hence been discontinued. The Bolero CRDe 4WD is in the pipeline and being developed, but I believe production has not yet started.

[rkbharat]

Originally Posted by desertfox

As of date - Scorpio 4x4 comes only in VLX, M/T or MT and Tata Safari 4x4 in VX model only, Gurgaon on road price Rs. 12 Lakhs 50,000 odd.

I just came back from Dhingra Motors Gurgaon (a friend buying Safari 4X2), and they confirmed 4X4 is available in EX, GX along with VX, but 1 month of waiting period as its made on order

[desertfox]

Its the Salesperson from the Tata Motors showroom who said only VX can be ordered now, perhaps he was wrong. The price list still lists three models. But anyway I am buying an Scorpio not Tata Safari.

As for Bolero, CRDe 4x4 one vehicle is already here in my building for over three months, this implies it has been launched previously. I can shoot and post some pics.

[ajitkumarlb]

I have been following this thread about Scorpio AT 4x4 since it was created and pretty much have read every post on it! And finally the time has come for me the buy it!

I drive a Santro AT and thanks to members of this forum who helped me make that decision. Scorpio & AT were a obvious choice and the TD(s) just reinforced it, however the question I am stuck with is about 4x4.

When would I use 4x4? I may not go away every weekend off-roading, but would certainly want to participate/drive in MGE/Raid de Himalaya/Leh Ladak...

Question 1 (the main one): is Scorpio AT 4x4 as it stands today refined/capable/ready of doing the above and doing this without issues and with sufficient support from M&M.

The ignorace of the staff at the dealers and especially after reading the posts by @promad with the trouble he underwent due to the AT 4x4 combination.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/suvs-m...-ladakh-4.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...al-report.html

Question 2: as commented on this thread, will Airbag be a disadvantage if there is no way to switch it off while off-roading. (Though on a highway considering the speeds Scorpio can make airbags are a must)

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Originally Posted by desertfox

As for Bolero, CRDe 4x4 one vehicle is already here in my building for over three months, this implies it has been launched previously. I can shoot and post some pics.

Impossible! It can be a Bolero, it can be a Bolero 4x4 but it cannot be Bolero CRDe 4x4. Please check again.

Spike

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by ajitkumarlb

Question 2: as commented on this thread, will Airbag be a disadvantage if there is no way to switch it off while off-roading. (Though on a highway considering the speeds Scorpio can make airbags are a must)

There is no reason to switch off airbag sensors when going off-road. They won't get activated unless your impact off-road is significant in which case you do need them. They won't get activated if you go over or even bump into a boulder at very low speed.