[m_upreti]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

He Is there a display on the system head?
If you turn knobs, press buttons etc, does the system head seem to respond?

The VMS is connected only to the front right speaker so that working could mean that the output from the system head is faulty if the head has a display and is responding.

In my vehicle the head had a loose contact with its body and a simple wipe with nail polish remover did the trick.

The display is there and responding even to the increase in volume (the display bars move up and down). Pulled out the system yesterday and replugged in the cables at the back, no avail, will try the nail polish treatment tonight.

[shankar.balan]

Hi Guys,

Need to ask this question. Have just given the Scorp for its 40K service at SKS Banerghatta Road. Sent it away this morning.

The list of things I want done are in the attachment with the likely costs + the service advisor assessment and feedback from SKS.

The advisor has checked the vehicle and shared his feedback. I specifically asked about the clutch because it has now done 40K but all seems well as of now -maybe because anyway I dont have the nasty clutch riding habit.

(Must add that till now I have been satisfied with the way they've handled my vehicle. Also Mr Maqbool of SKS has moved from the Hosur Road facility to the main Banerghatta Road one now.)

My Scorp is still under its 4 year Extended Warranty so no question of taking it for servicing anywhere other than the Authorized Centres. Plus, personally I get a lot of psychological satisfaction if my vehicle goes to get serviced at Authorized Centres rather than any old Joe mechanic.

The total cost estimate of this service job comes to about 15-16000. Expecting to get the vehicle back by tomorrow EOD.

Request please view the attached list and share your views if this is reasonable. Would value your inputs and opinion on this. Is there anything I ve forgotten?

Thanks in advance.
Shankar

[condor]

Is this what the SA gave you ?

Labor estimate of 6k ?

The overall estimate is on the higher side. Many of the items you have listed with should get covered under the heading "40k service".

[shankar.balan]

Hi Bud
No the job list is what I made myself after comprehensively checking the vehicle in and out on Saturday and yesterday.
Yes I understand much of the list is something that they have to do at 40K anyways. But all consumables, labour and spares need to be paid for.

The Service Advisor has done an assessment of the jobs that need to be done and the spares and consumables required where required - he has also told me that several points on my list dont need to be done as of now because they dont need replacement or repair, but that he would check them out anyway so as to be 100% on the job.

I have filled up his comments and the likely cost estimates in the right hand side columns next to my list of jobs.
The total estimate for parts and replacements and consumables etc comes to about 10 K maybe a bit more.
Labour charges are estimated as of now on the higher side at 6K.
He asked me to be prepared for a 16K bill overall and this is the info he gave me when I asked for a rough breakup.
Just wanted to know if these things are reasonable and if my list is sufficiently comprehensive.
Is there anything on the list that needs to be done as per you, but which the service advisor says is not required just now?
Also is there anything I might have missed out on while preparing the list?

Typically in my experience Ive been spending about 20-24k per annum on my Scorpio's maintenance (2 services per year) and consumables and fiddly things now and then. Even when I had my Bolero I used to spend around 18-22k per annum give or take on maintenance (2-3 services per year).

This being a 40K km service I knew it would be expensive, but Im wanting to know if the facts as presented in my excel are reasonable or not.

Thanks!
cheers
SB

Originally Posted by condor

Is this what the SA gave you ?

Labor estimate of 6k ?

The overall estimate is on the higher side. Many of the items you have listed with should get covered under the heading "40k service".

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Shankar Ji, the list looks comprehensive. Please check for wheel hub greasing and condition. What is done for Engine dressing?

Spike

[condor]

Shankar, I would suggest a combination of :
1. scheduled service items (for 40k)
2. Any problems you have noticed or that may be found.

any thing else can wait.
eg: I am not sure if coolant requires a change at this time.

[shankar.balan]

thanks Spikey

will ask them to ensure Wheel hubs are greased and will ask them to check the condition also.

Engine Dressing is actually more or less a sham job.
They say they will clean and spray the engine bay and prevent rats from biting the wires and so on.

thanks Condor

Actually I dont have their recommended job list for 40K service. Its not in the manual nor in the service book - at least Ive not seen it.

Ref Coolant - I just wanted the entire contents of the radiator and the coolant tub cleared out and drained out. The vehicle is 3 years old so I thought it would be good to flush the radiator and replace it with nice fresh coolant.

My job list calls out what I thought was necessary because I like the vehicle kept in good nick overall.

Do you have any pointers as to what may seem un-necessary? I can re-visit the same!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Shankar Ji, the list looks comprehensive. Please check for wheel hub greasing and condition. What is done for Engine dressing?

Spike

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Engine Dressing is actually more or less a sham job.
They say they will clean and spray the engine bay and prevent rats from biting the wires and so on.

I feel it is absolutely not worth the money, not a recommended job either. Even if you do all this, I am confident that the smart rats (they will pee all over and then start their job) will still do their job quite easily

Actually I dont have their recommended job list for 40K service. Its not in the manual nor in the service book - at least Ive not seen it.

Let me know if you need any info on this. PM if urgent.

Spike

[condor]

@Shankar,

The labor for a scheduled service will be priced based on what needs to be done. So you should not have to list labor charges seperately. So unless you specifically ask for extra jobs, the labor bill for the servicing should not be so high.

[agbenny]

Originally Posted by agbenny

For the second time it happened.

The clutch pedal didn't come up after pressing, fortunately after a 250 kms hill drive and near my house it happened. This happened to me about an year ago, and the A.S.S said, its clutch air lock to be released and they did that in 15 mins.

This time the road assist people checked and said the air lock can be released only at the service station, since they need to take the gear box down before doing it. Its a 4+ hr job. I can't believe. Any idea about what the problem could be.

I had to end up the journey with two families around 5 kms earlier to reach home, take a taxi and come back.

TO my surprise: The road assist people came to the place where mine stopped, was towing up another Scrorpio (same as mine mHawk vlx, same Odo reading 24xxx kms) and it had the same Clutch lock problem. Is that a simple issue which is very much happen to all scorpios? Wierd.

Let me know your thoughts, it will help me to speak to A.S.S tomorrow when I go there.

Looks like my post went unnoticed. :-)

I got the car back today, they replaced the 'Clutch Tube slave" according to the bill (part no 0802CA2440N - Rs. 177.78). When I inquired the manager he said few of the Scorpios had such issues manufactured before May 2010, and they change if the customer complaints. He also said that the Clucth tube was replaced due to the fluid leakage and it has a 'cover' now like the new cars.

Anyone has further info about this?

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Did they change the Clutch slave cylinder or the clutch slave cylinder bundy tube? I presume it is the bundy tube (price is 177.78 Rs). For changing this tube, I don't think it takes 4+ hrs. Its a 15 min job for a trained technician (including bleeding).

Spike

[agbenny]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Did they change the Clutch slave cylinder or the clutch slave cylinder bundy tube? I presume it is the bundy tube (price is 177.78 Rs). For changing this tube, I don't think it takes 4+ hrs. Its a 15 min job for a trained technician (including bleeding).

Spike

They changed clutch slave cylinder bundy tube. Its a 15 mins job, for for the mHawk models they had to demount the gearbox and do it, hence 4+ hrs.

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Originally Posted by agbenny

They changed clutch slave cylinder bundy tube. Its a 15 mins job, for for the mHawk models they had to demount the gearbox and do it, hence 4+ hrs.

The clutch slave cylinder (CSC) is placed inside the tunnel casing, so if CSC is replaced, the transmission will need to be brought down which takes some time, whereas the bundy tube mentioned by you (see attached pic marked 2) is connected externally to the CSC and does not necessitate 4 hours of labour. I smell something fishy here.



Spike

[agbenny]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

The clutch slave cylinder (CSC) is placed inside the tunnel casing, so if CSC is replaced, the transmission will need to be brought down which takes some time, whereas the bundy tube mentioned by you (see attached pic marked 2) is connected externally to the CSC and does not necessitate 4 hours of labour. I smell something fishy here.

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Spike

I see. Let me speak to the Manager again and update here tomorrow. Thanks for explaining in detail S_A

[shankar.balan]

ha ha! horrible creatures these rodents. thanks Spikey as always. Would be most grateful if you can PM the recommended list of 40K jobs which I will use to cross-check what they have done. Though that chap Punith seems a straightforward and reasonably knowledgeable chap.

Hi Condor
The labour charges was only an indicative estimate given verbally by Punith. Hence it could easily be lower. I have not asked for anything specific and out of the ordinary as per my list. And as per Spike's recommendation I asked them to check whether the wheel hubs require greasing. Punith said he would check and if required, do the job. The vehicle has run 40K across different kinds of terrain but its never been heavily off road nor ever been taken into water etc intentionally. So I guess the greasing can wait till the recommended 50K kms is reached.

cheers

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

I feel it is absolutely not worth the money, not a recommended job either. Even if you do all this, I am confident that the smart rats (they will pee all over and then start their job) will still do their job quite easily

Let me know if you need any info on this. PM if urgent.

Spike