[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by agbenny

Friends,I have this two issues repeatedly,both are electrical related:
1. Break lamp goes off only after 3 minutes after the car stops (engine off, keys out and even the doors locked centrally). I can't enjoy this as a feature.

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

There's a little rubber pad on the brake pedal that wears out, and the brake light switch remains actuated even when the brake pedal is not pressed.

@agbenny - FYI, it looks like this: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post2471294

Once the new rubber stopper is fixed, please take a test ride to ensure that the brakes and brake lights are functioning properly.

Cheers,
Vikram

[ScorpWarp]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Oh yes you are! Make sure you register a written complaint with M&M (on email) before the 2year warranty expires. If your vehicle is of October 2009 registration, IIRC M&M was offering a free 4-year extended warranty package for that month to Scorpio buyers (which otherwise cost Rs.9999). You might want to follow up on this issue too.

Thanks SS-Traveller, I do have extended warranty (2+2 yrsl) as well but this issue has surfaced even before that kicks in (from 26 Sept onwards)... I was shocked to hear that third party parts are not covered under warranty. Is this how Toyotas and Hondas offer their warranty ?
I can understand about exclusion of non critical parts/consumables such lights, tyres etc but alternator is a key part and do not understand how it can be left out of warranty. Irrespective of whether it is third party or M&M, It is fitted on Scorpio, M&M have put their badge on Scorpio and I have paid money to M&M and so I would expect M&M to take the responsibility.
I think it is cheating, what's the use of such warranty which leaves key parts out ?
I am surely going to raise this issue in strongly worded complaint. As of now the dealership people are talking to the workshop and I am waiting to hear their decision.

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by ScorpWarp

Thanks SS-Traveller, I do have extended warranty (2+2 yrsl) as well but this issue has surfaced even before that kicks in (from 26 Sept onwards)... I was shocked to hear that third party parts are not covered under warranty. Is this how Toyotas and Hondas offer their warranty ?
I can understand about exclusion of non critical parts/consumables such lights, tyres etc but alternator is a key part and do not understand how it can be left out of warranty. Irrespective of whether it is third party or M&M, It is fitted on Scorpio, M&M have put their badge on Scorpio and I have paid money to M&M and so I would expect M&M to take the responsibility.
I think it is cheating, what's the use of such warranty which leaves key parts out ?
I am surely going to raise this issue in strongly worded complaint. As of now the dealership people are talking to the workshop and I am waiting to hear their decision.

Isnt it obvious that they are just delaying this whole thing until your 2 year electrical warranty expires?

Get off your computer, call the Mahindra helpline or send Mahindra a stinker. Better still, go to the Scorpio Fan page on Facebook and rant the hell out them. M&M is very PR sensitive, they move a lot faster therefore.

Last option (which I would suggest you exercise right now actually) is to just tweet Anand Mahindra on twitter. He seems to be more upfront about things like these than the others around M&M. Its his company, so I understand why he does it.

Since the 500 or whatever is around launch time now, they'll move double quick to fix your problems - trust me

[ScorpWarp]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

Isnt it obvious that they are just delaying this whole thing until your 2 year electrical warranty expires?

Better still, go to the Scorpio Fan page on Facebook and rant the hell out them. M&M is very PR sensitive, they move a lot faster therefore.

Last option (which I would suggest you exercise right now actually) is to just tweet Anand Mahindra on twitter.

Since the 500 or whatever is around launch time now, they'll move double quick to fix your problems - trust me

No way I am going to let this drag so long - the dealer has been responsive so far (and has helped a lot earlier as well) so I would give him a day to try and sort this out.
I was not aware about Facebook page or twitter option. Hoping that it would not come to that, let's see, fingers crossed. Logged a complaint with Mahindra on phone. Stinker draft being readied.
I do not have access to warranty fine print - just wondering if this exclusion is mentioned in print and I happened to not read it so whether technically (or should I say on paper evidence) they may get away ? Any ideas ?

Originally Posted by sumannandy

I got it serviced at a roadside shop as a preventive maintenance.
You could also take it to a TVS Lucas shop.

Hmm.. not sure if I can do that as it would void the warranty - which they are still trying to avoid. But I would certainly try to get a quote for bearing and oil seal change from a TVS Lucas shop. Need to locate one in Pune to start with.

[MileCruncher]

Originally Posted by ScorpWarp

Thanks SS-Traveller, I do have extended warranty (2+2 yrsl) as well but this issue has surfaced even before that kicks in (from 26 Sept onwards)... I was shocked to hear that third party parts are not covered under warranty. Is this how Toyotas and Hondas offer their warranty ?

As per the warranty document, all proprietary parts (alternator/compressor/battery/music system et al) are only covered for 15 months. But knowing what M&M is and considering that your vehicle has only done 26K, you should get a good will waranty. Just write a stinker to Customercare@mahindra.com . Believe me it works!

@Earthed: Please remember both TATA and M&M both use the same Borg Warner Transfer Case. I also have a 4X4 Getaway and I must state that my vehicle does vehicle pretty well.

Cheers

[srirajkota]

Hello everyone ! its a relief to find this post and I hope the long time scorp owners and experts and can help me !

I have a 2006 crde that has done 55000 kms. 6 months back I fitted it out with K&N filter and Petes box from a reputed place. The performance thereafter was nice. However since the last 3 months I have started noticing that the pipe that connects the turbo to the intercooler (errr pipe or manifold) has started to leak oil ! the pipe I heard carries air and not oil, this has me concerned. There is a good oil layer both inside and outside the pipe. my workshop person says it could be because of free flow K&N filter. Some others have suggested that I ignore it and yet some more have said that the turbo is done for (turbo replacement at 55k km ??? gulp!) properly confused now !!! pls help !

Hi all, after having done 55k km is it a good idea to turn to your neighbourhood workshop guy for service or stick to ASSC ? Thanks !

[himanshugoswami]

Folks, after lots of waiting for the Merlin, and its inrodinate delays, I have decided to junk my wait for buying another Safari and have decided to go in for the Scorpio SLE.

Going thru this thread, one thing that strikes me is that a majority of issues in the newer scorpios are in the top end VLX and that too with the electircals. So am I correct in assuming that the SLE should be a tad more reliable?

Am I correct in assuming that as a machine, the Scorpio is inhenrently a reliable car even today? I know the earlier DI Turbo and the CRDE were very reliable beasts, but is that alo the case with the mHawk (given its higher dependance on sensors and elctricals?).

One of the primary reasons I am going in for the scorp over the Safari is the presence of ABS at this price point (my budget is 10LOTR, non extendable). Is the ABS in the SLE effective? the website does not clarify if ABS is on all four wheels or only in the front and whether it is a 4 channel ABS.

Lastly, is it a good decision to buy a scorpio SLE? (maybe not the best place to ask this question )Any inputs will be higly appreciated since I need to buy the car very soon (by Dusshera)

Thanks!

Himanshu

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by EARTHed

Its too much to explain
...i've read, the Scorpio 4WD is the most UNRELIABLE of the lot.
...TATA Atleast their 4WD are RELIABLE.

I suppose M&M making Automatics is like Tata making Indicas 13 years ago. No experience of the engineering involved. That said, the only time Scorpio 4wd system is unreliable is after immersion in water - and we don't see reports of Tata 4wd systems being immersed in water at all on this forum.

Originally Posted by ScorpWarp

I was shocked to hear that third party parts are not covered under warranty.
...I would expect M&M to take the responsibility.
I think it is cheating...

Third party parts are all covered under 2 year warranty, and someone at the dealer is bluffing. From electrical harnesses to diesel injection pumps and injectors, when did M&M start manufacturing any of it on their own? Bosch offers a 12 month warranty on its high pressure pump, but that does not mean M&M absolve themselves of covering the pump under warranty AND extended warranty. It IS cheating... by the dealer/ASC, to make a quick buck.

Originally Posted by srirajkota

...the pipe that connects the turbo to the intercooler (errr pipe or manifold) has started to leak oil ! the pipe I heard carries air and not oil... !

The turbo oil seal has blown, leaking engine oil into the intake manifold. Should be repairable, the whole turbo may not need to be replaced - only a physical check can confirm this. A good FNG should be able to give you a more fair assessment of this, than the ASC (who are better trained to completely discard and replace, not repair!)

[srirajkota]

The turbo oil seal has blown, leaking engine oil into the intake manifold. Should be repairable, the whole turbo may not need to be replaced - only a physical check can confirm this. A good FNG should be able to give you a more fair assessment of this, than the ASC (who are better trained to completely discard and replace, not repair!)[/quote]

Thanks SS !! any good place you can kindly let me know where (in delhi) I can get this diagnosed without getting ripped off ?

[Guderian]

Originally Posted by srirajkota

I have a 2006 crde that has done 55000 kms. 6 months back I fitted it out with K&N filter and Petes box from a reputed place. The performance thereafter was nice. However since the last 3 months I have started noticing that the pipe that connects the turbo to the intercooler (errr pipe or manifold) has started to leak oil ! the pipe I heard carries air and not oil, this has me concerned. There is a good oil layer both inside and outside the pipe. my workshop person says it could be because of free flow K&N filter. Some others have suggested that I ignore it and yet some more have said that the turbo is done for (turbo replacement at 55k km ??? gulp!) properly confused now !!! pls help !

Hi Sri,
Going by my past experience - I think that the oil separator may have packed up leading to traces of oil flowing out from the hose joints especially near the turbo.
If this be the case then all they need to do is to change the oil separator. Costs about 5-600 bucks at the ASC and they'll have to clean the entire air 'line' and free it of oil traces. However not a major job.

Incidentally the older CRDes have always had a problem with the oil separators. In 5 years I must have changed the OS at least 4 times. All under warranty though thankfully !

Do let us know of the outcome and final diagnosis.

Would suggest that you go to the M&M ASC for this.

[srirajkota]

Originally Posted by Guderian

Hi Sri,
Going by my past experience - I think that the oil separator may have packed up leading to traces of oil flowing out from the hose joints especially near the turbo.
If this be the case then all they need to do is to change the oil separator. Costs about 5-600 bucks at the ASC and they'll have to clean the entire air 'line' and free it of oil traces. However not a major job.
Incidentally the older CRDes have always had a problem with the oil separators. In 5 years I must have changed the OS at least 4 times. All under warranty though thankfully !
Do let us know of the outcome and final diagnosis.
Would suggest that you go to the M&M ASC for this.

Thanks Guderian, one more thing...does this impact performance in any way ? I felt the pick up is dropping... is it me or it really is the case ? also does the intercooler need cleaning as well ? would the oil be clogging it up ?

Tks & Cheers !

[Guderian]

Originally Posted by srirajkota

Thanks Guderian, one more thing...does this impact performance in any way ? I felt the pick up is dropping... is it me or it really is the case ? also does the intercooler need cleaning as well ? would the oil be clogging it up ?

Hi Sri,
As I remember it not much of pick up loss or none - though it could be more of a psychological issue.
Of course you can check this out for yourself by removing the NVH cover - you'll find the OS (a rectangular black box) right on top and if there is plenty of oil seepage from its sides, around it and its generally messy - then you could say that the separator is choked and cooked.

The intercooler is generally cleaned by blowing HP air into it and nothing else. Further, it isn't as if there is copious amount/s of oil passing through - it is actually just some fine droplets which don't get separated by the OS (and drop down to the oil line below) that are carried by the HP hot air in the hose going to the intercooler and then on to the turbo. You notice that first as oil wicking around the joints and the hoses getting grubbier with paticulate matter sticking to it. Especially the red hose (at least that was the colour in my Scorp) that takes the 'cooled' air post the intercooler to the turbo.

If indeed it is the OS that has packed up - nothing much to worry about.

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by Guderian

.... Especially the red hose (at least that was the colour in my Scorp) that takes the 'cooled' air post the intercooler to the turbo....

The cooled (pressure) air from the intercooler should be going to the engine!

[agbenny]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

There's a little rubber pad on the brake pedal that wears out, and the brake light switch remains actuated even when the brake pedal is not pressed. Takes 2 minutes to change, costs about Rs.7, is an idiotic design in all Scorpios, and you learn to live with it after a while, replacing them as you go.

Your door switch is not working. Needs to be opened and the contacts cleaned. Again, a five minute job.

You might want to read this (The difference between synthetic and mineral motor oil) before wanting to spend the extra amount on synthetic engine oil.

Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

@agbenny - FYI, it looks like this: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post2471294

Once the new rubber stopper is fixed, please take a test ride to ensure that the brakes and brake lights are functioning properly.

Cheers,
Vikram

Thanks friends. My Scorpio is still under extended warrenty, and A.S.S do not have synthetic oil with them. I can buy and provide them, But Will changing it to Synthetic void the warranty? I need confirmation before I do to.

[MileCruncher]

Originally Posted by agbenny

I can buy and provide them, But Will changing it to Synthetic void the warranty? I need confirmation before I do to.

I think it will. Please check your owner's manual lubrication list. If it allows Synthetic then only go for it.

Cheers