[shankar.balan]

A lot of us here who own older, well kept cars are going to suffer. As are the entire population of delicate vintage cars!
Again a draconian decision from the GOI without any thought. India is not a rich country. We cannot keep buying new cars. Especially after paying these huge taxes. And therefore our old cars deserve a proper chance to live. No Government has the moral or otherwise right to forcibly poison and euthanise our well-maintained cars in this manner.

My cars clearly say they can handle only a max of 10% Ethanol. This must be the first time in the world that a Government is literally murdering cars through such covert poisoning techniques. I say this because there doesn’t seem any marking on the pumps for normal petrol, 10% ethanol and this new 20% ethanol. The worst of it is that these cars still have their original life left in them. We paid the taxes for the 15 years! And there are still 5 to 7 years of the original life left in two of them and 13 years of its original life left in the other one!

As a survival tactic I am given to understand that this product ‘Sta-Bil’ as pictured here, may help in retarding the ill-effects of excess Ethanol.

I would really look forward to inputs on this from Experts here.

[shankar.balan]

Is this going to sound the death knell to all our ‘senior’, ‘veteran’ and ‘vintage’ vehicles?
https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le66476921.ece

[Axe77]

There was a powerdrift simplified podcast that demystified some of the issues around ethanol blended fuel. One of the takeaways was that for at least recent / modern vehicles, they should be able to adapt to ethanol blends of up to E-25 level. Its beyond that threshold that you need to actively bring in proper "flex fuel" vehicles.

I'm interested to know whether post 2023 April, how many manufacturers will sell vehicles that are formally E 20/25 rated - I would imagine not many, until E 20/25 is the norm available across the country. I think currently most are formally at least only E 10 rated but happy to be corrected on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2iN0J9HbbM

[GForceEnjoyer]

Came across this article by the Times of India in today's issue. I found the article on their website, but it literally won't let me copy more than a few words of text at a time, so I can't quote it. Here are some screenshots instead.

Can someone with knowledge about these materials shed some light on their usage in cars and the long term impact on them? According to this article, E20 was "launched" a few days ago, to be introduced to 15 states, and neither of the cars in our garage are E20 compliant. Will E10 be sold alongside E20 (as it absolutely should be, logically speaking)?

If not, what about the warranty of existing cars not compliant with E20? Warranty will be void if you put in the wrong fuel, but if the wrong fuel is the only fuel available countrywide, what happens??? Are all grades of petrol (like 95 and 100 octane) going to be made E20 as well?






If there is absolutely no support for owners of incompatible cars, are conversion kits available for complex engines such as the VAG EA888 (2.0 TSI) and long-discontinued ones like the Ford 1.6 Duratec?
Here's the full article: Link

[Sumedik]

Looks like "supply hurdles" are a blessing in disguise for petrol car owners in West Bengal.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/97673615.cms

[shankar.balan]

Came across these ‘kits’ on the internet while researching. Need to do more research on these. They are expensive but maybe necessary.
My Cooper is 11 years old and is E 10 compatible at the max. My Gypsy is 9 years old and I don’t think it can digest this E20. There is no information whether my Mahindra Thar 2021 can handle E20 or not.

[Vinay3832]

Came across this article that says E20 was launched by the PM at the India Energy week here at Bangalore, as per the article E20 is already available at IOCL outlets in 11states/UTs:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/97698623.cms
Most OEMs are not clearly stating that their vehicle is E20 compatible, but give more generic statement knowing that in general a higher blend of ethanol on exisiting/older petrol vehicles is more corrosive and hence reduces engine component life: https://www.v3cars.com/news/all-toyo...-e20-flex-fuel
(Thanks to bhpian- @BlueJay for the above link from the Hycross thread).

[el lobo 6061]

E20 Petrol is now available in Navi Mumbai.

Along side E10 Petrol.

Price is same for both.

Pump owner has put notice to verify suitability before filling E20 Petrol.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by el lobo 6061

E20 Petrol is now available in Navi Mumbai.

Along side E10 Petrol.

Price is same for both.

Pump owner has put notice to verify suitability before filling E20 Petrol.
Attachment 2419137

What a relief!
At least the markings are clearly there.
And this notice to verify before filling.
I do hope E10 is also made available for some more years.

[learning_cars]

Originally Posted by el lobo 6061

E20 Petrol is now available in Navi Mumbai.

Along side E10 Petrol.

Price is same for both.

Pump owner has put notice to verify suitability before filling E20 Petrol.
Attachment 2419137

Really happy to see the sign and different pump. But this is Jio BP pump. Let's hope the big 3 follow the same. I am living with an 11 year old Polo currently, so relatively relaxed compared to others on corrosion and long term effects, but still would not want to corrode already weak NA Polo engine and hopefully use this till its 15 year de-registration.

[Vandit]

Glad to see my post coming back to life again. I had raised it long ago and there have been several other members who followed up with many useful and relevant threads after this. Unfortunately however what is still not clear is the questions around what happens with the E10 going forward. Is the government going to sunset it soon? How long will the government keep both E10 & E20 going at the pumps? Is there going to be a price differential introduced to goad people towards E20 vehicles? If so, anyone who bought a relatively new car in the recent past is not going to be happy.

For some reason i believe this entire shift could have been done in a much better manner. Learnings from Brazil's E20 and flex fuel journey could have been a great starting point for us to learn from.

[tj123]

Originally Posted by el lobo 6061

E20 Petrol is now available in Navi Mumbai.

Along side E10 Petrol.

Price is same for both.

It's hard to imagine why anyone would choose E20 fuel over E10 when both are priced equally. Since E20 will lead to lower fuel efficiency, it would not be a viable option unless there is a significant price advantage compared to E10.

[learning_cars]

Originally Posted by tj123

It's hard to imagine why anyone would choose E20 fuel over E10 when both are priced equally. Since E20 will lead to lower fuel efficiency, it would not be a viable option unless there is a significant price advantage compared to E10.

Exactly, more the ethanol in the blend lower the milage.

I am hoping for separate dispensers and price difference rather than just making all pumps E20. Plus, as you said, expect E10 to be significantly dearer once the roll out actually starts nationally. Govt will then make statements on how good it is for our environment while asking people to buy new cars and dump old ones.

[Sumer]

https://youtu.be/UvS_D4_lF5U

An interesting real world observation. Of course, it doesn't apply as such to modern car engines. The heart wants to believe the video by Engineering explained and Powerdrift where they say our modern engines shouldn't have any problems. I'm curious about the role of additives to prevent corrosion if anyone has any knowledge about the same in modern car engines and fuel systems

[rakesh_r]

Will a 2011 Alto and a 2014 Alto K10 survive the E20 fuel?