Tata Indica - List of problems

arup.misra · 20th July 2011, 20:43

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Originally Posted by AutoIndian

If that is the case go ahead & replace your existing alternator with a new one.

Yes it can lead to overloading your starter motor & could damage it. Also battery would be overloaded. How much has your car run & what is its age.

Thanks AutoIndian - Will get the new alt done from Lucas only. Was told that there is a 1 year or 20k km warranty.

My car is in its 6th year but not run much around 38k so far. Will get the GPs checked at Lucas.

Lucas should probably take up servicing Tata vehicles completely. I'm sure it'll do a better job than TASS.

AutoIndian · 20th July 2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by arup.misra

Thanks AutoIndian - Will get the new alt done from Lucas only. Was told that there is a 1 year or 20k km warranty.

My car is in its 6th year but not run much around 38k so far. Will get the GPs checked at Lucas.

Lucas should probably take up servicing Tata vehicles completely. I'm sure it'll do a better job than TASS.

Yes they do a very good job & that too in front of your eyes. So you can get it done to your satisfaction. I had to get my starter motor overhauled, combined it with the 90K service.

Refer message #22 in my below thread for further details

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ica-dlx-2.html

arup.misra · 21st July 2011, 14:29

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Originally Posted by AutoIndian

Yes they do a very good job & that too in front of your eyes. So you can get it done to your satisfaction.

+1 to Lucas Service. Got my new alt work done. Flat 1 hour. Was there at 9 in the morning sharp and they had 4 mechanics already waiting with the tools. Also got the GP checked all ok.

Now the white smoke problem is still a mystery

cyberwhizs · 31st July 2011, 22:50

Couple of days back I noticed some kurrr kurr sounds coming when turning the steering esp. after a cold start. The sounds would go away within a couple of minutes of driving, so initial diagonsis was probably the belt is slipping. However when i went to TASC yesterday, to my horror, i saw the power steering container empty. After a cusory examination the SA mentioned that the power steering rack needs to be replaced or repaired. I did not get chance a personally see the source of the leak as the hoist was unavailable at that point in time. Cost of new Rack = 19K approx, Repairing existing rack = 6K approx.

Would like a second opinion. What are the types of leaks/leak points in a typical power steering rack assembly and which ones can be repaired and which ones need to be "replaced"

Also i read elsewhere in the forum that folks have been able to get oil seals on the rack replaced from independent mechanics at much much lower cost. Any pointers here?

Appreciate your thoughts and inputs on this one.
Thanks!

PS: TASC has given me a interim solution of a ATF fluid costing 264/L to keep topping up for the next couple of days or so. Looking at my previous records, i had the power steering assembly overhauled a few years ago, thankfully through extended warranty.

cyberwhizs · 3rd August 2011, 20:46

Got the steering rack repaired at my friendly TASP, TASP basically got the job done from Rane TRW service center. They offer a 6 month warranty.
Cost breakup :
3750 - power steering repair kit,
950 - Repair & refitting rack
234 - ATF fluid
250 - Wheel alignment (at my regular tyre shop)
Total: 5184

Incidently i recieved a quote of 12K from TASC. They also send the rack to Rane to get it repaired/overhauled. I wonder why there is so much of a difference between the two. Anyone have any idea on this?

The only problem with my friendly TASP being they take atleast 2 - 3 attempt to get things done 'correctly', lack a proper car wash. After taking the car today, i found the brakes a big spongy and lacking the regular bite, wonder what my friends fiddled with while overhauling the steering rack. :-( Another trip to my friendly TASP

AutoIndian · 4th August 2011, 09:09

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Originally Posted by cyberwhizs

Got the steering rack repaired at my friendly TASP, TASP basically got the job done from Rane TRW service center. They offer a 6 month warranty.
Cost breakup :
3750 - power steering repair kit,
950 - Repair & refitting rack
234 - ATF fluid
250 - Wheel alignment (at my regular tyre shop)
Total: 5184

Good to know cyberwhizs that your issue was resolved finally & thank you for sharing the part & cost details. Not that big a dent to your pocket as you had expected

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Originally Posted by cyberwhizs

Incidently i recieved a quote of 12K from TASC. They also send the rack to Rane to get it repaired/overhauled. I wonder why there is so much of a difference between the two. Anyone have any idea on this?

Because they are a bit bigger & want fatter margins for the (crap) services they provide.

saildrive · 17th August 2011, 12:59

Quote:

Got the steering rack repaired at my friendly TASP, TASP basically got the job done from Rane TRW service center. They offer a 6 month warranty.
Cost breakup :
3750 - power steering repair kit,
950 - Repair & refitting rack
234 - ATF fluid
250 - Wheel alignment (at my regular tyre shop)
Total: 5184

cyberwhizs: Had been having the same problem with my indica GLS over the past week - called my local mechanic who showed me the steering oil container; totally empty. he filled in oil from a nearby shop and told me that it will take 2-3 days time and will charge me about 5500/-

had just spent 10000/- on servicing last month!

can you please share with me the details of TASP - will check with them and see what the real issue is and how expensive it will be

Cheers

cyberwhizs · 17th August 2011, 23:02

@saildrive. You need to ask your mechanic from where is PS fluid leaking? There are two basic issues, if the fluid is leaking from the steering rack then the steering rack needs to be opened up and oil seals replaced etc. If the leak is from one of the pipe connecting the PS pump and rack, then it is usually much much cheaper to repair. If you have access to a hoist, it is best to look under the chassis and find out. Else if you open the bonnet and peer behind the engine you may be able see some amount of leaked fluid at the ends of think horizontal tube(i.e. rack) which connects with the linkages which in turn connects the two wheels.

If it is rack issue it will take couple of days to fix, your mechanic also seems to be quoting the right price. Alternatively take a second opinion from any TASC. I got the work done at a TASP near Irla, Andheri. I do not vouch for their quality of work though, they usually take couple of attempts to set things right, if it is convenient you can go to them.

SMARTF · 30th August 2011, 18:53

Strange problem : The horn suddenly stopped working, but when I put on High-beam it starts working. It stops working if low beam or indicators are on.

What could be the problem ?? Please help

AutoIndian · 30th August 2011, 19:37

Does your horn work normally when the headlights are switched off (during the day time)? I guess there might be some loose contact in the headlight stalk.

Couple of years back I had faced a similar issue, when the horn would suddenly become very weak, headlights would brighten up all of the sudden, the RPM meter needle would go wild. All these were attributed to the high voltage spikes from the battery, which in turn was being overcharged by the alternator (due to the faulty regulator). Replacing the regulator & overhauling the alternator resolved this issue. Just thought of sharing, yours could be a different issue altogether if haven't faced any of the symptoms mentioned above

SMARTF · 31st August 2011, 20:07

It does not matter if the headlight is on or off. The horn works if it is turned to high-beam, and stops working when the knob is turned to low-beam.

Occasionally, I have similar issue with the wipers. It stops and if I turn the headlight knob to high-beam (even if the light itself is off), the wiper suddenly comes live and starts working. Wiper stops working when there is light rains or just drizzling . . . ???

TASC has not been able to comprehend the issue since last 4 years even after repeated complaints and visiting 4-5 different TASCs. They replaced the regulator / condenser and even re-did the wiring but not much help !!!

mercedised · 31st August 2011, 22:35

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Originally Posted by SMARTF

It does not matter if the headlight is on or off. The horn works if it is turned to high-beam, and stops working when the knob is turned to low-beam.

Occasionally, I have similar issue with the wipers. It stops and if I turn the headlight knob to high-beam (even if the light itself is off), the wiper suddenly comes live and starts working. Wiper stops working when there is light rains or just drizzling . . . ???

TASC has not been able to comprehend the issue since last 4 years even after repeated complaints and visiting 4-5 different TASCs. They replaced the regulator / condenser and even re-did the wiring but not much help !!!

Get the relay for headlight and wiper checked. In my case these were at fault.

AutoIndian · 1st September 2011, 16:14

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Originally Posted by SMARTF

TASC has not been able to comprehend the issue since last 4 years even after repeated complaints and visiting 4-5 different TASCs. They replaced the regulator / condenser and even re-did the wiring but not much help !!!

Yours seem to be a unique problem, haven't heard of it earlier. Which regulator / condenser are you referring here? Did any of the TASC try replacing headlight & wiper stalk? I believe something is wrong just under the steering wheel where the horn, wiper stalk & headlight stalk have some common point. Though this is just a trial & error method, it's worth giving a try. The can replace one by one (say from some other car) & try if it resolves the issue.

indivic · 5th September 2011, 14:19

Hello all,

One issue seems to have popped up in my car since last week. Cold start in the morning or at night requires 2 or 3 full cranks of 4-5 seconds each.

Battery seems okay, I checked twice keeping the music system and lights on and there is no flickering of the lights or switching off of the music system, when I crank the engine. Alternator charging also seems fine since I keep the radio on at traffic lights but engine off, I don't have any problem to start.

Stop and starts during the day do not need more than a 1/2-3/4 crank. Problem definitely happens when the car has cooled down, after it starts there is a puff of black smoke - unburnt excess fuel I guess.

I tried the trick of "heating" the plugs a few times before I crank, this was inconclusive, I will try again tonight.

Could it be the glow plugs? It is about 5 years since I got them replaced under warranty, I would have driven about 40k on this set.

If it indeed turns out to be the glow plugs - should I go for Beru (OE) or how about Bosch ?

Thanks in advance!

teknophobia · 5th September 2011, 15:53

Seems to be the glow plugs, why don't you get them checked up before taking a call?

31st July 2011, 22:50	#784
cyberwhizs BHPian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 255 Thanked: 175 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems Couple of days back I noticed some kurrr kurr sounds coming when turning the steering esp. after a cold start. The sounds would go away within a couple of minutes of driving, so initial diagonsis was probably the belt is slipping. However when i went to TASC yesterday, to my horror, i saw the power steering container empty. After a cusory examination the SA mentioned that the power steering rack needs to be replaced or repaired. I did not get chance a personally see the source of the leak as the hoist was unavailable at that point in time. Cost of new Rack = 19K approx, Repairing existing rack = 6K approx. Would like a second opinion. What are the types of leaks/leak points in a typical power steering rack assembly and which ones can be repaired and which ones need to be "replaced" Also i read elsewhere in the forum that folks have been able to get oil seals on the rack replaced from independent mechanics at much much lower cost. Any pointers here? Appreciate your thoughts and inputs on this one. Thanks! PS: TASC has given me a interim solution of a ATF fluid costing 264/L to keep topping up for the next couple of days or so. Looking at my previous records, i had the power steering assembly overhauled a few years ago, thankfully through extended warranty.
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3rd August 2011, 20:46	#785
cyberwhizs BHPian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 255 Thanked: 175 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems Got the steering rack repaired at my friendly TASP, TASP basically got the job done from Rane TRW service center. They offer a 6 month warranty. Cost breakup : 3750 - power steering repair kit, 950 - Repair & refitting rack 234 - ATF fluid 250 - Wheel alignment (at my regular tyre shop) Total: 5184 Incidently i recieved a quote of 12K from TASC. They also send the rack to Rane to get it repaired/overhauled. I wonder why there is so much of a difference between the two. Anyone have any idea on this? The only problem with my friendly TASP being they take atleast 2 - 3 attempt to get things done 'correctly', lack a proper car wash. After taking the car today, i found the brakes a big spongy and lacking the regular bite, wonder what my friends fiddled with while overhauling the steering rack. :-( Another trip to my friendly TASP
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17th August 2011, 23:02	#788
cyberwhizs BHPian Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 255 Thanked: 175 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems @saildrive. You need to ask your mechanic from where is PS fluid leaking? There are two basic issues, if the fluid is leaking from the steering rack then the steering rack needs to be opened up and oil seals replaced etc. If the leak is from one of the pipe connecting the PS pump and rack, then it is usually much much cheaper to repair. If you have access to a hoist, it is best to look under the chassis and find out. Else if you open the bonnet and peer behind the engine you may be able see some amount of leaked fluid at the ends of think horizontal tube(i.e. rack) which connects with the linkages which in turn connects the two wheels. If it is rack issue it will take couple of days to fix, your mechanic also seems to be quoting the right price. Alternatively take a second opinion from any TASC. I got the work done at a TASP near Irla, Andheri. I do not vouch for their quality of work though, they usually take couple of attempts to set things right, if it is convenient you can go to them.
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30th August 2011, 18:53	#789
SMARTF Newbie Join Date: May 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 23 Thanked: 2 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems Strange problem : The horn suddenly stopped working, but when I put on High-beam it starts working. It stops working if low beam or indicators are on. What could be the problem ?? Please help
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30th August 2011, 19:37	#790
AutoIndian Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: PCMC, Pune-MH14 Posts: 3,604 Thanked: 5,034 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems Does your horn work normally when the headlights are switched off (during the day time)? I guess there might be some loose contact in the headlight stalk. Couple of years back I had faced a similar issue, when the horn would suddenly become very weak, headlights would brighten up all of the sudden, the RPM meter needle would go wild. All these were attributed to the high voltage spikes from the battery, which in turn was being overcharged by the alternator (due to the faulty regulator). Replacing the regulator & overhauling the alternator resolved this issue. Just thought of sharing, yours could be a different issue altogether if haven't faced any of the symptoms mentioned above
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31st August 2011, 20:07	#791
SMARTF Newbie Join Date: May 2011 Location: Bangalore Posts: 23 Thanked: 2 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems It does not matter if the headlight is on or off. The horn works if it is turned to high-beam, and stops working when the knob is turned to low-beam. Occasionally, I have similar issue with the wipers. It stops and if I turn the headlight knob to high-beam (even if the light itself is off), the wiper suddenly comes live and starts working. Wiper stops working when there is light rains or just drizzling . . . ??? TASC has not been able to comprehend the issue since last 4 years even after repeated complaints and visiting 4-5 different TASCs. They replaced the regulator / condenser and even re-did the wiring but not much help !!!
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5th September 2011, 14:19	#794
indivic BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 848 Thanked: 203 Times	Cold start problem Hello all, One issue seems to have popped up in my car since last week. Cold start in the morning or at night requires 2 or 3 full cranks of 4-5 seconds each. Battery seems okay, I checked twice keeping the music system and lights on and there is no flickering of the lights or switching off of the music system, when I crank the engine. Alternator charging also seems fine since I keep the radio on at traffic lights but engine off, I don't have any problem to start. Stop and starts during the day do not need more than a 1/2-3/4 crank. Problem definitely happens when the car has cooled down, after it starts there is a puff of black smoke - unburnt excess fuel I guess. I tried the trick of "heating" the plugs a few times before I crank, this was inconclusive, I will try again tonight. Could it be the glow plugs? It is about 5 years since I got them replaced under warranty, I would have driven about 40k on this set. If it indeed turns out to be the glow plugs - should I go for Beru (OE) or how about Bosch ? Thanks in advance!
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5th September 2011, 15:53	#795
teknophobia BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: WB/MH Posts: 389 Thanked: 131 Times	Re: Tata Indica - List Of Problems Seems to be the glow plugs, why don't you get them checked up before taking a call?
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