[manson]

Snapped a couple of fuel efficiency figures through my drive to Amby Valley this past Sunday, have a look:

[Rameshdude]

Manson, great mileage. Upfront whatever we pay for the car, finally it is the fuel consumption and subsequent tank filling that counts.
Could you please answer a few doubts of mine. How is the suspension ? Especially people with bad backs.
Any idea why the person sold off his AT car within a month of purchase?
Thanks in advance.

[bsdbsd]

Originally Posted by manson

Unfortunately, the only Bhpian I've spotted with an autobox Verna Fluidic Diesel was someone who sold it in a couple of weeks and less than a 1000 kms!
On a brighter note though, Dbhpian Flying Spur was scratching his head over an autobox Verna Diesel till a few weeks ago and I reckon he should be able to give you some insight on it.

Very well..Thank you. You have provided the answer to my question perfectly! Your post aptly summarizes the state of Verna Diesel. I needn't look further. Having done all the research in the last few weeks (Thanks to TBHP), I am leaning towards new Honda City AT and I may make up my mind soon.

[manson]

Originally Posted by Rameshdude

Manson, great mileage. Upfront whatever we pay for the car, finally it is the fuel consumption and subsequent tank filling that counts.

To be fair, I'm still running in the car and am very light footed. I run in all my cars until 10,000 kms which imples not surpassing the 2,000 RPM mark. I was constantly driving between 70 and 90 kmph through the expressway in sixth gear and that is the reason for the rather high fuel efficiency figure. The 20.0 kmpl & 203 km trip meter pictures was clicked once I reached home. This included the rather sweet Expressway stretch, Amby Valley Climb, being stuck in traffic through the climb, e.t.c.
FYI, the Verna clocks 100 kmph at 1800 RPM in sixth gear which makes for a stress free drive.
The 1.6 diesel motor reacts almost immediately whilst being stuck in traffic, and as a result I have calculated fuel efficiency figures between 12.8 kmpl and 17.5 kmpl on a tankfull of regular diesel.

Originally Posted by Rameshdude

Could you please answer a few doubts of mine. How is the suspension ? Especially people with bad backs.

The front suspension is my only major grouse with the Verna Fluidic. The front end tends to bounce in a very irritating manner over edgy bumps / potholes, and you really have to keep an eye out for the comparatively smoother areas whilst going over bad roads.
The overall soft suspension is extremely well suited for someone with back problems as minor uneveness in road surfaces are barely felt in the cabin. To add, the front seats have superb lower back support, they are so good that Rehaan pointed that out within a few kms of 'being driven' around the block. The comparatively (with respect to Jetta, Vento, Cruze and Rapid) lighter clutch eases pressure on the hamstrings resulting in lesser pressure and effort on the lower back.
Infact I parted ways with my 18 month old Scorpio only due to a slip disc. My prime requirements were 'driving comfort and diesel sedan' and I settled for the Verna after close to six months of looking around.

Originally Posted by Rameshdude

Any idea why the person sold off his AT car within a month of purchase?
Thanks in advance.

Here's a link to the thread: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ment-sold.html

Originally Posted by bsdbsd

Very well..Thank you. You have provided the answer to my question perfectly! Your post aptly summarizes the state of Verna Diesel. I needn't look further. Having done all the research in the last few weeks (Thanks to TBHP), I am leaning towards new Honda City AT and I may make up my mind soon.

Just to clarify, the member 'phenomonstar' had issues with the overall balance and the drive quality of the Verna Fluidic which is quite subjective. Speaking singularly about the autobox, the Honda City is equipped with a much superior 5 speed autobox with paddle shifts over the conventional 4 speed mated to the Verna Fluidic.

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by Chitta Pradhan

What RPM do you think is the most economical for a diesel car on long drives? I think it should be around 1800-2000 rpm. My 6 geared Verna 1.6 CRDI does 100 kmph @ approx 1800 rpm. But some how I feel, I get maximum FE at 80 kmph when the engine spins at around 1500-1600 rpm. Do you think for extracting max. FE we should have an eye on odo & not speedo? Every week end I have a drive of 350 km., thus the query.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Chitta Pradhan

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for diverting. I feel my Verna returns max FE at 80 kmph, 6th gear, 1500 rpm which is no where near the peak torque band. Peak torque is around 2000-2200 rpm, which takes the car to 120 kmph but lowers the FE. I have seen Indica taxi drivers drive at 80 kmph, 5th gear, 2000 rpm & say they get max FE at that point. Swifts, Figos etc derive max FE at around 2000 rpm, top gear @ around 80 kmph. If 2000 rpm is most economical for diesel cars, then my car should give max FE @ 2000 rpm- speed around 110 kmph-6th gear. But it does not happen. Wonder why?????

Thanks

Sorry for a delayed reply. You pretty much have done you research accurately I should say. Most of the different cars mentioned here have a fixed turbo which mostly spools around 2000 rpm. And for these cars, 1800 rpm will translate to 80 kmph which is the BEST speed for max FE. Add to it the point mentioned below about the air resistance above 80 kmph. For verna, I suggest you stick to 80 kmph which means your tacho will be lesser than 1800 rpm which also means it doesnt activate the turbo which will consume lesser fuel! When turbo starts spooling up, FE lowers a bit. Also if you notice, the kind of braking required at 80 kmph on our roads will be much lesser & smoother than driving around at 100 kmph which too adds to the FE bit. Now it's a question whether you can drive constantly for long time @ 80 kmph in a powerhouse like Verna! If you have cruise control, set it at 80 kmph which will take FE to better levels and will reduce your fatigue too.

Originally Posted by AutoIndian

The air drag/ resistance increases exponentially above 80kmph & the engine has to work harder above that speed. Hence @ 110 kmph, when you are running the engine at peak torque, actually it has to do more work to overcome the increased air resistance, resulting in more fuel consumption. I hope this clarifies the matter.

[spacescreamer]

Phew.. extensive thread this one..
Still trying to read through, but a lot of content tbh.

Can anybody pls tell me

1) How does Verna 1.6 petrol measures up against Ford fiesta 1.6 Sxi petrol variant ? Esp if the person has to take out the car mostly in city, but 2 trips a year on the highway.. say something like Del-Jaipur is a surety ?

2) Same query with Ford fiesta 1.6 Sxi petrol variant vs Verna 1.4 petrol ..

[Imrahn]

My purple SX(O) beauty, which was due delivery by 10th this month, is finally set to arrive tomorrow or day after.I was contemplating changing the stock tires and/or alloys at the earliest upon delivery, and so, went on a bit of a tire hunting today and would love to have some help with the selection.Could only visit couple shops today,will be doing more hunting tomorrow.

Stock is 195/55 R16.

1.Bridgestone Potenza MY-01 205/55/R16 - INR 9700/- a piece. I was like OMG and feel this is seriously overpriced.

2.Michelin Primary LC 205/55 R16 - INR 9900/- a piece from the same shop.Same thoughts as above and left them.These were the only 205 size tires they had for 16 inch alloys.

3.Yokohama A Drive R1 - 205/50 R16 - INR 7400/- a piece.

All the above prices were without any sort of negotiations.Before going for anymore hunting tomorrow, I would like to have some help from u guys.

1.Can i go any higher than 205 with the stock alloys of the Verna?

2.What are the better tire models out there that have low tire noise and what are their tentative prices ?

3.Can i upgrade to bigger alloys, say 17 inch without causing any problem to the vehicle?

Sorry if the questions are way too noob, any sort of help would be highly appreciated.

Thanx and regards
Imrahn

[Shome]

Originally Posted by Imrahn

2.What are the better tire models out there that have low tire noise and what are their tentative prices ?

May I ask if you are looking for a change in tires for anything else other than tire noise? Stocks Bridgestones are brilliant according to me.

Wider tires are not going to help much with stability or performance IMHO

[Imrahn]

Originally Posted by Shome

May I ask if you are looking for a change in tires for anything else other than tire noise? Stocks Bridgestones are brilliant according to me.

Wider tires are not going to help much with stability or performance IMHO

I have seen Vernas here being delivered fitted with Apollo tyres...so thought I would upgrade immediately upon delivery.Also, aesthetics is another factor.

[Shome]

Originally Posted by Imrahn

I have seen Vernas here being delivered fitted with Apollo tyres...so thought I would upgrade immediately upon delivery.Also, aesthetics is another factor.

Well I guess you have to wait till your PDI to determine what tires you got. If you have Bridgestone B250s, my suggestion would be to stick with them.

Do you really think wider tires are going to improve the already brilliant aesthetics?

205/55 should be fine but 205/50 will make the ride more bumpy. My choice..Michelin PLC

I would suggest not going for 17 inchers. I have noticed, with 4 people in the car, the car sits low because of the softer suspension and with 17 inchers, there are chances that the tires will scrape the arches. Unless of course you go for an ultra low profile

[Imrahn]

Originally Posted by Shome

Well I guess you have to wait till your PDI to determine what tires you got.
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Unless of course you go for an ultra low profile

Oh k, thanx a lot for the informative reply bro...Am on my way for PDI now, so will see in sometime what the stock ones are. Have always been a fan of wider tyres and hence, asking about upgrading to 205/215 on the stock alloys.

[FlyingSpur]

Any idea on what the waiting period is these days, for the CRDi A/T ?

[ajay_satpute]

I was at Hyundai showroom 2 weeks back and the dealer said the waiting for CRDi AT is about 14 months. Oh common!

BTW, VVT AT is available off the shelf. Delivery in less than 2 weeks guaranteed.

[FlyingSpur]

Originally Posted by ajay_satpute

I was at Hyundai showroom 2 weeks back and the dealer said the waiting for CRDi AT is about 14 months. Oh common!

Must be more due to production planning than demand.

BTW, VVT AT is available off the shelf. Delivery in less than 2 weeks guaranteed.

Buy one and convert to CNG. Hmm.

[Imrahn]

Back from PDI and man, what a beauty in person!! They were getting her inside for underbody coating and I made a thorough inspection of every nook and corner,panel gaps, interior parts and what not.....everything reeks of freshness and I couldn't be happier.

By the way, the stock tires are 195 Bridgestones and not Apollo like I have seen in few models.
Happy on that front as well.