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Originally Posted by swiftdiesel OK, it may be the axle's measurement but that's still a factor to consider. Otherwise, Toyota would have stated the GC measurement apart from the rear axle. Potholes in Chennai are nearly 4 to 5 inches high above the road and Innova's rear axle will definitely take a hit or for that matter any car with a low GC and a rear axle that's low enough. Ertiga doesn't have a rear axle and it's got higher GC which will work in it's favour in such a situation. As you mentioned elsewhere, let's call a spade a spade and move on. |
Please understand that these manufacturers do not measure such things according to their whims and fancies. There is a standardization process set because of which fair comparisons can be done. So, even if Toyota wants to measure the GC apart from the rear axle, they cannot do that. It
HAS TO BE from the lowest point.
How can a pothole be 5 inches above the road? You mean 5 inches deep? Even in that case, the diff wont take a hit. Yes, the diff can take a hit if the driver attempts to pass the vehicle over a huge stone exactly in the centre (in the path of the diff), which only a bad driver would attempt.
Yes, I have myself scraped the Innova twice. But that was not the diff. It was the engine area. And that was because I overestimated the car since I am used to driving an SUV!
All said and done, I feel the Innova clearly enjoys more GC than the Ertiga.
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Originally Posted by suhaas307 Plus, added weight plays a huge factor in determining ground-clearance.
For example, the Civic's ground-clearance is 170 mm on paper. But when you squeeze in 5 people and add some luggage to the equation, it becomes a lawn mower - Courtesy the long (spring) travel and soft suspension setting. |
+100.
I have read GTO's thread on his Civic.
I dont think Ertiga owners will face a big issue with the GC. But can it better the Innova? I dont think so. After all, an MUV with LOF chassis has it's own advantages. We have tourist Innovas doing duty in Ladakh for so many years!
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Originally Posted by silverado I am not sure if this has been suggested here, but the most debated third row of seats could have been like mentioned below :
1) They could have folding mechanism in the backrest itself.
2) Maruti could have fitted rails on the rear most seat , so that seat can be moved a little towards the rear and the backrest folded.
This way it would not have banged against the 2nd row of seats IMO.
I no packaging engineer, but this is my imagination which might be wrong. |
A friend suggested me a nice solution -
Make the backrest of the 3rd row very very small. Make the headrests long instead, and design it in such a way that it is retractable or foldable when the 3rd row is folded.
This would solve the issue. A good example is the 3rd row of the Outlander 7 seater -
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185mm GC, but a fuel tank located in the middle, can it make it to ladakh without a Sump guard?
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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno 2) The middle row seemed to have humongous leg room. Do the middle row seats slide like in the Ertiga or are they fixed? |
Yes, the middle row of the Innova is on rails.
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3) The third row legroom seemed pathetic. If the middle slides, then obviously this issue can be fixed. But if it does not slide, then I would think the legroom seemed as much as in the Ertiga with the middle row slid full to the back.
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The legroom in 3rd row is good if you slide the middle row ahead. But not as much as the Xylo.
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4) Ingress into the 3rd row with middle row 40-split folded down etc would be as painful as in the Ertiga - though this is an observation since I did not actually try it.
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Ingress is actually better in the Innova since the middle row double folds to generate enough room for an adult to pass.
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5) From the looks of it, sitting for long duration in the last row would be as claustrophobic as in the Ertiga or Tavera etc.
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At the risk of again being titled "arrogant" -
I have been in the last row of Innova for long 6 hour trips. I am 6'2" and believe me, I was comfortable. Yes, the middle row was slid fully forward.
Even though the Xylo has more legroom but the ride was a bit bouncy, so Innova wins here.
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BTW guys, how would it be if there was a seating configuration like the Omni-E. Two 3-seater benches facing each other. Would it not solve the issue with seat-folding, space etc ? Just shooting in the dark here. I love that config in the Omni so much that I even contemplated buying one - would be an awesome vehicle to go out with friends and family.
P.S.: I am aware of the safety issue with the Omni in accidents.
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Apart from safety, it will not be comfortable as well.