BUSA's Review : Civic AT(Paddle) and MT Test Driven

Shan2nu · 7th July 2006, 12:07

Like they say, any publicity is good publicity. LOL

Just bcoz the test car turned out to be a lemon, more people would want to test drive the Civic and see for themselves. And not every test car is gonna be as bad as the one Busa drove.

Shan2nu

supremeBaleno · 7th July 2006, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJK

I'm sure that from now on every Civic's exhaust is going to fall off within a day or two. Its quality is sooo bad, i can't even imagine! Really, Honda's quality has gone southwards. Take BUSA's review as a gospel and forget about this car.

Mate, if tbhp reviews and opinions decided the fate of cars in the Indian market, all you would see on the roads would be Balenos, Palios, Petras, Optras etc etc, which is not the case.
All I can say is "If wishes were horses, .............".

adarsh76 · 7th July 2006, 12:55

The brand name "Honda" has a magical effect. It's very difficult to build a brand name and all kudos to Honda for achieving that. But the sad part we pay money for Honda products just for that brand name. The "Value for Money" factor just disappears here. It's more of a stupid "Social Status" factor.

The drawbacks of a "Honda" car will never be important to the public. It's that brand name again.

Rtech · 7th July 2006, 13:04

Brands don't build a reputation overnight. It takes decades to build a reputation, and that reputation is built for a reason, by us, the customer.

Why do you pay more for a pair of Levis jeans, Nike shoes etc. Also, if you are out shopping for a apartment, a well established builders' rates would be higher than a comparable building next door. You pay for the peace of mind that name gives you, as you are confident it is a high quality product that should serve you well for years.

The fact is, Honda rightfully deserve the respect they currently enjoy in the automotive segment. And apparently the small premium they charge for their goods is more than acceptable to the buying public. Or else we would not have a 3 month waiting list for some of their cars.

w 12 · 7th July 2006, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit

Would members be as forgiving if a brand new Optra, Octavia or God forbid, a Fiesta's exhaust fell off? No we wouldn't, we would have taken these companies to the cleaners and shouted that they are taking Indians for a ride and written full page comments on poor quality of the cars.

Bingo man.. you said it.

Busa is entitled to his opinion.. and he has clearly mentioned that these are his personal opinions.. You can disagree with him, but ascribing motives is not fair.There are no holy cows here.. A lemon is a lemon , even if it is from Honda or anyone else.

Imagine the comments if the same thing had happened with a Scorpio or Safari < btw.. people have written of nausea and headache after 5 minutes of testride in Scorpio and permanent backache after 20 minutes , AFTER switchig from a maruti 800 !! , with absolutely no cries of despair about pinches of salt / pepper from others.. > although Logic says that your back is better off in any SUV with a taller seating position than a small car like maruti, where you crouch to get in and get out...

Raps · 7th July 2006, 18:06

I do not understand why guys are pulling and pusing busa's views. Its his personal experience and views. If you have test driven just go ahead and share your experiences rather than proving his views right or wrong.

I am not supporting his views or any others views, its just that need to know their personal experiences.

I guess its would be better to have reviews than commenting on Busa's views.

viper · 7th July 2006, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

Mate, if tbhp reviews and opinions decided the fate of cars in the Indian market, all you would see on the roads would be Balenos, Palios, Petras, Optras etc etc, which is not the case.
All I can say is "If wishes were horses, .............".

Hey,

You might have just made half of TBHP come after your blood by omitting their favourite car the Vtec in your list.

Viper

sandeep108 · 7th July 2006, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raps

I do not understand why guys are pulling and pusing busa's views. Its his personal experience and views. If you have test driven just go ahead and share your experiences rather than proving his views right or wrong.

I am not supporting his views or any others views, its just that need to know their personal experiences.

I guess its would be better to have reviews than commenting on Busa's views.

I have already given my review after driving it twice - but for short distance - it is clearly corolla beater. I am going to take a longer drive in a couple of days and will report on handling / speed breaker clearance...

RJK · 7th July 2006, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

Mate, if tbhp reviews and opinions decided the fate of cars in the Indian market, all you would see on the roads would be Balenos, Palios, Petras, Optras etc etc, which is not the case.
All I can say is "If wishes were horses, .............".

Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm.....

zenx · 7th July 2006, 20:49

I cannot imagine why the thread has taken such a personal and vicious turn at multiple points. One can accept agreeing or disagreeing with someone's expressed opinion, and argue against specific issues, but why ascribe motives, call names and generally be nasty ? Is this a mature enthusiasts forum, or an online auto-avataar of kyunki..... ?

Ppl, lets decide what we want this forum to be, and answer with zero acrimony, or go take a coffee break when its tough to do that.

Alrite - taking a coffee break

ajmat · 7th July 2006, 21:21

Note from mod

This thread is moving towards opinions and bias and not about the Civic. Am forced to closed thread.

Please expect some postings to be editted out. Us mods with decide and take action at the back end

ajmat · 10th July 2006, 00:34

Thread Reopened

Us Mods have discussed - we have not edited anything of the previous postings but we have coached a few people on where this thread was headed.

devarshi84 · 10th July 2006, 02:25

How is the quality of the leather Interiors on the Civic?

And are there chances for a Sunroof?

ST7677 · 10th July 2006, 08:26

Civic does not come with leather seats or subroof.

Though absence of leather is ok, as you can always opt later, but sunroof should have been provided.

Had my own long test drive of Civic this weekend, will post a detailed review in some time.

ajmat · 10th July 2006, 08:52

Went to look at the Civic y'day. Alas the driver was at lunch so could not test drive unless we waited.

Quick summary

Exterior: Stunning from the front. Rear looks like the previous Civic with new lights.
Driving position - seems pretty good
Interior - roof - too low for a 6 footer like me. Roof lining + car interior uphoulstry cheap. Lots of stowage space.
Dash - good looking and plenty of toys but lacks the build integrigy of the OHC - that is built of solid materials
Stereo - never heard it but no mp3/ ipod facility. Sam - time to do your homework and see what you can do to interface and upgrade this system.
Wheels- high profile blunts sleekness - Looked cheap, wheel finish is appalling, th ohc vtec wheels re anyday better - too much rough finishing around the spokes - will get dirty really soon

This is a partial review as I never got it on the road...another day!

View Poll Results: Which Version would you prefer
Manual	88	36.21%
Paddle Shifting	99	40.74%
I wont buy the Civic	56	23.05%
Voters: 243. You may not vote on this poll

7th July 2006, 12:07	#76
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 125 Times View My Garage	Like they say, any publicity is good publicity. LOL Just bcoz the test car turned out to be a lemon, more people would want to test drive the Civic and see for themselves. And not every test car is gonna be as bad as the one Busa drove. Shan2nu
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7th July 2006, 12:55	#78
adarsh76 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 661 Thanked: 231 Times	The brand name "Honda" has a magical effect. It's very difficult to build a brand name and all kudos to Honda for achieving that. But the sad part we pay money for Honda products just for that brand name. The "Value for Money" factor just disappears here. It's more of a stupid "Social Status" factor. The drawbacks of a "Honda" car will never be important to the public. It's that brand name again.
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7th July 2006, 13:04	#79
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Brands don't build a reputation overnight. It takes decades to build a reputation, and that reputation is built for a reason, by us, the customer. Why do you pay more for a pair of Levis jeans, Nike shoes etc. Also, if you are out shopping for a apartment, a well established builders' rates would be higher than a comparable building next door. You pay for the peace of mind that name gives you, as you are confident it is a high quality product that should serve you well for years. The fact is, Honda rightfully deserve the respect they currently enjoy in the automotive segment. And apparently the small premium they charge for their goods is more than acceptable to the buying public. Or else we would not have a 3 month waiting list for some of their cars.
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7th July 2006, 18:06	#81
Raps BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 137 Thanked: 35 Times	I do not understand why guys are pulling and pusing busa's views. Its his personal experience and views. If you have test driven just go ahead and share your experiences rather than proving his views right or wrong. I am not supporting his views or any others views, its just that need to know their personal experiences. I guess its would be better to have reviews than commenting on Busa's views.
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7th July 2006, 20:49	#85
zenx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,161 Thanked: 158 Times View My Garage	I cannot imagine why the thread has taken such a personal and vicious turn at multiple points. One can accept agreeing or disagreeing with someone's expressed opinion, and argue against specific issues, but why ascribe motives, call names and generally be nasty ? Is this a mature enthusiasts forum, or an online auto-avataar of kyunki..... ? Ppl, lets decide what we want this forum to be, and answer with zero acrimony, or go take a coffee break when its tough to do that. Alrite - taking a coffee break
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7th July 2006, 21:21	#86
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,866 Thanked: 27,981 Times View My Garage	Note from mod This thread is moving towards opinions and bias and not about the Civic. Am forced to closed thread. Please expect some postings to be editted out. Us mods with decide and take action at the back end
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10th July 2006, 00:34	#87
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,866 Thanked: 27,981 Times View My Garage	Thread Reopened Us Mods have discussed - we have not edited anything of the previous postings but we have coached a few people on where this thread was headed.
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10th July 2006, 02:25	#88
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 211 Times View My Garage	How is the quality of the leather Interiors on the Civic? And are there chances for a Sunroof?
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10th July 2006, 08:26	#89
ST7677 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,054 Thanked: 73 Times	Civic does not come with leather seats or subroof. Though absence of leather is ok, as you can always opt later, but sunroof should have been provided. Had my own long test drive of Civic this weekend, will post a detailed review in some time.
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10th July 2006, 08:52	#90
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,866 Thanked: 27,981 Times View My Garage	Went to look at the Civic y'day. Alas the driver was at lunch so could not test drive unless we waited. Quick summary Exterior: Stunning from the front. Rear looks like the previous Civic with new lights. Driving position - seems pretty good Interior - roof - too low for a 6 footer like me. Roof lining + car interior uphoulstry cheap. Lots of stowage space. Dash - good looking and plenty of toys but lacks the build integrigy of the OHC - that is built of solid materials Stereo - never heard it but no mp3/ ipod facility. Sam - time to do your homework and see what you can do to interface and upgrade this system. Wheels- high profile blunts sleekness - Looked cheap, wheel finish is appalling, th ohc vtec wheels re anyday better - too much rough finishing around the spokes - will get dirty really soon This is a partial review as I never got it on the road...another day! Last edited by ajmat : 10th July 2006 at 08:54.
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