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Originally Posted by dieselbelly Before i bought my mjd, i had driven the dealers car, and on a brake test on a broken tarmac layout road, from 30 kmph the car had locked wheels fro the last 3 feet.
Then after i gor my car , simulated emergecy full stops from varying speeds, always resulted in a wheel lock for the last few feet.
Hence i upgraded from stock to michelein 185/70/r13 XM1's and maintaind TP of 30 PSI. This gave me greater confidence and relatively better braking feel.
So architect, its def odd that your car never has a wheel lock on simulated emergency braking,,,, even on the last 5 - 10 feet??? Or is something wrong with my car??? Some more feedback from other mjd owners will help. Neon wheels, did your car's wheels lock on the emergency braking from 40 KMPH?? |
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Originally Posted by sanjaymugur dieselbelly,
i have slamed my brakes on mysore road at 100kmph, palio 1.2 ELX just brakes good & never a wheel lock..the only weak point is tyres... i say michelin XM1+1 is hard & has no tyre bulge on the side , this makes it even harsher while braking.
start from 26 uptil 30psi before you settle a correct tyre pressure.. |
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Originally Posted by bottle @dieselbelly
that could be due to the xm1's as well since they lose grip suddenly when pushed too far and once the wheels lock up they dont do anything to retard speed. This hasnt happened to me yet but it happened once to my dad when he braked suddenly and wheels locked up and the car just hurtled towards a lorry that had suddenly cut in. Same 2 black lines on the road too.
The locking brakes has always been an issue with palio , at least with the 1.6 and I have kind of learnt to drive around it by braking gently and not slamming brakes so that it does not lock up. (Pumping brakes is an alternative too) but still in panic situations you dont always remember to do all this.
@architect,
simulations never work as far as a panic situation goes. even i tried braking at high speeds and wheels never locked up. need that adrenaline rushed slam to the pedals for it to happen |
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Originally Posted by humyum dieselbelly@ i dont think anythin is wrong with the car.Every car has different kind of brake feel
For example.The santro has super overservoed brakes.A little hard touch and the front wheels lock.
The zen at the same time wont lock its brakes that easily.
Minus ABS,its how the driver modulates the brake pedal to stop at the shortest possible distance at the same time be able to steer the vehicle.
In your case when u realised that your brakes have locked,u should have let the pedal go for a moment and again come over it and repeated this cycle.
Anyway, sorry to hear about the accident.Get well soon. |
Despite all post-mortem, we cannot recreate the scene, nor do we wish to do so. However, from these posts, the question is clear, was it the tyres which was the culprit? Or the way you operated the brakes when you panicked?
Well, to be honest, I can't be 100% sure if my wheels locked or not. Maybe they did for the last foot or so only but not 10 feet!!. However, I am sure it did not lock at all 40-0 or 60-0 and braking was well within 3-4 secs. But still, my funda of braking is to jam hard, slow down, and then jam hard again. Its reflex action. Maybe I won't do so when I am panicking. Read my four points a-d again as to the conditions when I braked... and yes, I am running on stock pressed steel 165/80/R13 Goodyear tubeless GPS 2.
If it was the tyres, then how does that happen. Was it over-inflated? Does a comfort tyre (like the Michelin XM1) brake worse than a handling tyre (Yokohama ES)? How does the standard GoodYear GPS 2 tubeless fare on that front?
Sorry to post-mortem, but I don't want any unfair analysis of a car's braking behaviour if its the fault of the tyres (and non-stock ones at that).
You are safe, and that matters the most. However, I still think that selling a car, ANY CAR, without ABS in today's scenario is NOT DONE. The difficult thing for me was that there was no car except the Swift VXi with ABS in my budget. And I could have only done less than half of the driving I do on my MJD to be able to manage with its FE and Petrol prices.
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Originally Posted by arajand Architect:
I know my Palio 1.6 is flickable. If by flicking, you mean sharp quick turns taken at decent rate of speed. So yes, the Palio has a bit of body roll but it is flickable. |
Okay Boss, accepted that the Palio is flickable. However, a small point which may or may not affect the Palio Stile's handling: The Palio Stile 1.6 and the Palio MJD have a stabilising bar in the front which the Stile 1.1 does not have, as per the brochure.
Body Roll is there. More than the Swift.
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Originally Posted by CorsaLove Sorry about that Diesel, I hope you recover fast and get back to the steering.
Architect - nice write up. I will be testing the MJD today. Anything specifically I need to check during the TD? so that i can divert my mind from Getz GVS 1.1 and U-VA.
I have the same problem as you had - max budget is 5 lakhs. |
@CorsaLove, there is a whole thread devoted to TD with all the info. However, if you are an experienced and a discerning driver, you will be able to figure out things quickly.
Another thing, if you are a real Corsa Lover, you will like the Fiat's build quality. That ways, all European origin cars have some similar qualities. They may not have the lightest steering or clutches or gearshifts, but they do make you feel safer because of the famous reassuring thud of the doors!
Personally, the Getz 1.1 GVS is not such a great car performance-wise. Even its FE suffers because you tend to press the accelarator more to get that epsilon to move a heavier car. Same problem with the Palio Stile 1.1. In my TD, I found the Getz 1.1 peppier than the Palio 1.1, but that's another debate. U-VA I am not too sure. Comparing these two to the MJD is not fair comparison either.
A turbo-diesel is a different experience altogether. It grows on you. And this side of 5.10 lakhs, the MJD SDE version is a very good deal. It has a little better equipment level than the Swift LDi as well (tachometer, fog lamps and front power windows, especially)