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Originally Posted by Ym-enjn So there’s the point, if they don't want to take Corolla onto the 19 Lakhs price range |
It's ridiculous to think of a 19 lakh Corolla
. The only reason Skoda could do it was because of their DSG, trim level, Euro build quality and diesel engine. Not to mention, unfortunately, the Indian buyer sees Skoda as more of a premium brand than Honda or Toyota. Talk Accord + Camry at 19 lakhs, but lets not even get into a new gen Corolla for that price. However good it may be.
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and want to give more at that same price than what they have done is a great job. Its a new car, bigger on length and width. Height is less. Inside space is more. Design is different, features and comfort is different. Things are similar but almost everything is different, even the rear glass and roof top in photo above is different.
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Correct. But why not give it a distinct identity rather than have many (including owners & reviewers) complain about the abundant similarity. The new Camry is entirely different from the previous one, so are the Accord, Civic and all other cars from Toyota & Honda in the recent past.
The Altis is the ONLY exception to the rule in the last 15 years. Even for Toyota and across their mass-selling model range. How do you explain that?
Look at this example
The 8th gen Corolla
The 9th gen Corolla
You think anyone complained of similarity here? Fat chance! The fact is : The 10th gen is NOT as much a leap ahead, as the 9th was over the 8th.
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Agreed, borrowed many looks from previous generation even the engine is same so that shows that it is done deliberately.
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Of course its done deliberately. To save development costs! Lack of innovation borders on boring, something that Toyota is very worried about. Read up on business case studies on Toyota...they are concerned that the average age of the Toyota buyer is much higher than that of Honda. And such overwhelming similarity between an outgoing and supposedly all new generation is not going to help the cause.
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We must remember that they have not given it a new brand name and haven't charged a premium on it by presenting it as a better and bigger car. They simply say its your New Corolla at same price.
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Correction. To differentiate between the two, the Altis brand was adopted. And no, they couldn’t get away with pricing it too much higher anyways. Just ask Honda Civic.
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Originally Posted by R2D2 I rest my case. Even the hallowed BMWs and Mercs are not entirely immune to the fact that sometimes retaining a family look may be a good thing. |
Obviously there is some confusion. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. As per your BMW example, the 2007, 2008 & 2009 BMWs are the SAME generation (2009 is a mere facelift). However, the Altis over the previous Corolla is NOT the same generation NOR is it a facelift. It is supposed to be an all-new generation. Never have two generations of the Corolla been so similar, search around to see the criticism (globally) of the overwhelming similarity between the 9th & 10th gens.
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I could spot a Beemer from a distance but upon looking at it closely wouldnt be able to tell the difference between immediately preceding model and the current one.
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If you cant tell the difference between the current and previous generations of the 3 & 5 series, I can assure you that you are part of the minority.
The E34
The E90
The E39
The E60
Just one of the many examples of retaining a family look, yet giving it distinct identity. This is what you call "all new".
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was the rather dowdy look of the previous model. The new Camry came in as a drool worthy machine.
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I actually loved the look of the older ship-like Camry as well. And so did the masses. That’s precisely why it was the best selling Camry ever for more than just a year. Either ways, looks are subjective. What matter is that the new Camry has an entirely distinct identity compared to the old Camry. No one complained of similarity here.
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My family and I were very happy when I bought the 9G and happier still when I bought the Altis. If positive emotions combined with a big dash of Toyota nostalgia, excellent sales & service and bullet proof reliability (arguably more than the German cars) are good enough reasons, then I may buy another Toyota all over again. |
Absolutely. That’s why Honda & Toyota have amongst the highest brand loyalty.