Toyota Altis - Test Drive

ImmortalZ · 10th January 2009, 22:04

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Originally Posted by vid6639

lol. Don't worry Immortalz. you didn't bash the Corolla but you were defending the civic.

Anyways are you sure the 1ZZ-FE has DBW? Can you post the link you got that from?

Not really solid links, but here are two:

New 2008 Toyota Corolla Altis launched in Malaysia! - Details, Specifications, Price, Photos

Toyota Corolla Altis 2008 1.8G (E20) specification - Rarkar.com

Besides those, a quick Google shows a lot of Toyota enthusiast forums discussing this engine and the DBW throttle system.

Vid6639 · 10th January 2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

Not really solid links, but here are two:

New 2008 Toyota Corolla Altis launched in Malaysia! - Details, Specifications, Price, Photos

Toyota Corolla Altis 2008 1.8G (E20) specification - Rarkar.com

Besides those, a quick Google shows a lot of Toyota enthusiast forums discussing this engine and the DBW throttle system.

Thanks for the links. Question is whether the indian spec incorporates the DBW.

Also I notice that india is not the only country to not get the 2ZR-FE. Malaysia also got the same old 1ZZ-FE engine.

I found a link that shows the difference between the 2ZR-FE and the 1ZZ-FE.

TOYOTA: News Releases

New flagship 1.8 liter powerplant for Toyota

Also doesn't the Altis look nice in black. Don't know why Toyota can't launch it here:

R2D2 · 10th January 2009, 22:33

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Thanks for the links. Question is whether the indian spec incorporates the DBW.

Also I notice that india is not the only country to not get the 2ZR-FE. Malaysia also got the same old 1ZZ-FE engine.

I found a link that shows the difference between the 2ZR-FE and the 1ZZ-FE.

TOYOTA: News Releases

New flagship 1.8 liter powerplant for Toyota

Also doesn't the Altis look nice in black. Don't know why Toyota can't launch it here:

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Most Asian countries have the 1ZZ-FE engine as the standard powerplant. This includes Singapore, Thailand & Philippines. I hear exceptions are Sri Lanka and Pakistan (?!!). Havent figured out why TMC would want to stay with the older engine in Asia.

Regards,

R2D2

Sahil · 11th January 2009, 04:58

The Altis does indeed look great in black but its typical of Toyota to release more colors with a facelift to revive their products on an ongoing basis.

Although the move to CVT with the new 1.8 powerplant is good for FE, it will wont be have as much fun to drive. Having a CVT NHC I have turned anti-CVTs, I like them for the FE they return but the rubber band effect is horrible.

abhinav.gupta88 · 11th January 2009, 10:50

Guys, anyone checked for the rev problem on upshifting?
My brother needs to make the final decision by today.

R2D2 · 11th January 2009, 11:59

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Originally Posted by abhinav.gupta88

Guys, anyone checked for the rev problem on upshifting?
My brother needs to make the final decision by today.

Has any other Altis owner on TBHP faced this issue? Coz I have not. Maybe the demo car had an issue.

But the trademark DBW lag is certainly there. I hope it should be correctible thru an adjustment in the accelerator VR or better still thru an ECU software setting. Have read about this adjustment being done on BMWs.

Cheers!

R2D2

Fuelled · 11th January 2009, 13:14

I drove the car about a week back and the rpm does jump up about 200-300 rpm when you try to upshift. Tried backing off the power before using the clutch to help the cause, but the rpm still jumped up after the clutch was pressed. Don't know if its a flaw or a feature though. The engine temperature was normal btw, so this problem/feature should be unrelated.

But it feels especially weird when you try to upshift quickly as the engine goes to a higher rpm, and then when you release the clutch the car jumps ahead till the rpm finally settles down.

low_bass_makker · 11th January 2009, 14:04

Oye hoi....Back on the forum after was say two years..where were you bro...

ImmortalZ · 11th January 2009, 17:21

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Thanks for the links. Question is whether the indian spec incorporates the DBW.

Also I notice that india is not the only country to not get the 2ZR-FE. Malaysia also got the same old 1ZZ-FE engine.

From what I've read on the web, things like DBW are quite integral to the engine design and they don't usually bother with changing such things because it involves way too many parts and the ECU.

Sahil · 11th January 2009, 20:32

Does the Auto also suffer from this upshift rpm jump problem?
If toyota does realize this problem I dont think it will be a hassle to repair as adjusting the ECU should do the trick.

abhinav.gupta88 · 11th January 2009, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by R2D2

Has any other Altis owner on TBHP faced this issue? Coz I have not. Maybe the demo car had an issue.

But the trademark DBW lag is certainly there. I hope it should be correctible thru an adjustment in the accelerator VR or better still thru an ECU software setting. Have read about this adjustment being done on BMWs.

Cheers!

R2D2

It was not only the demo car but 2 more pieces ( Brand new ) with about 10-20km on the ODO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahil

Does the Auto also suffer from this upshift rpm jump problem?
If toyota does realize this problem I dont think it will be a hassle to repair as adjusting the ECU should do the trick.

Did not drive the auto but i feel if its ECU , then it will be there. If gearbox, then Not sure.

R2D2 · 11th January 2009, 21:10

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Originally Posted by abhinav.gupta88

It was not only the demo car but 2 more pieces ( Brand new ) with about 10-20km on the ODO.

This is a bit strange. I'll check again. But dude...does it really matter? It's a nice car. Dont compare it to your Octavia RS. Two different beasts.

Cheers!

R2D2

abhinav.gupta88 · 11th January 2009, 21:29

I know it is a nice car.
But then the problem is comparable to any car.

R2D2 · 11th January 2009, 22:11

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Originally Posted by abhinav.gupta88

I know it is a nice car.
But then the problem is comparable to any car.

This mild rev increase may be intentional and programmed into the ECU. Only Toyota knows why. Did the dealer have a clue?

Ym-enjn · 12th January 2009, 00:43

yes,the Rpm jump is there.

11th January 2009, 04:58	#109
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,607 Times	The Altis does indeed look great in black but its typical of Toyota to release more colors with a facelift to revive their products on an ongoing basis. Although the move to CVT with the new 1.8 powerplant is good for FE, it will wont be have as much fun to drive. Having a CVT NHC I have turned anti-CVTs, I like them for the FE they return but the rubber band effect is horrible.
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11th January 2009, 10:50	#110
abhinav.gupta88 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi , India Posts: 4,092 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	Guys, anyone checked for the rev problem on upshifting? My brother needs to make the final decision by today.
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11th January 2009, 13:14	#112
Fuelled BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: delhi Posts: 252 Thanked: 2 Times	I drove the car about a week back and the rpm does jump up about 200-300 rpm when you try to upshift. Tried backing off the power before using the clutch to help the cause, but the rpm still jumped up after the clutch was pressed. Don't know if its a flaw or a feature though. The engine temperature was normal btw, so this problem/feature should be unrelated. But it feels especially weird when you try to upshift quickly as the engine goes to a higher rpm, and then when you release the clutch the car jumps ahead till the rpm finally settles down. Last edited by Fuelled : 11th January 2009 at 13:16.
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11th January 2009, 14:04	#113
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	Oye hoi....Back on the forum after was say two years..where were you bro...
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11th January 2009, 20:32	#115
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,607 Times	Does the Auto also suffer from this upshift rpm jump problem? If toyota does realize this problem I dont think it will be a hassle to repair as adjusting the ECU should do the trick.
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11th January 2009, 21:29	#118
abhinav.gupta88 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi , India Posts: 4,092 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	I know it is a nice car. But then the problem is comparable to any car.
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12th January 2009, 00:43	#120
Ym-enjn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jaipur Posts: 1,039 Thanked: 59 Times	yes,the Rpm jump is there.
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