Stock tyres on the Baleno

nitrous · 17th March 2006, 02:12

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alloys are not necessary to mount tubeless tyres

With due respect,i disagree.

When steel rims used for tubeless tyres rust due to monsoon,rains,etc., the air-tight seal between the tyre and the rim is lost. I've seen cases.

S@~+#0$# · 17th March 2006, 04:59

with nitrous on this one. The tyre also loses pressure when the rim is bent. Would suggest you go in for alloywheels with tubeless tyres. This will also make your tyres look wider as alloywheels are wider than most OEM rims.

Cheers
Santhosh

Buffetfan · 17th March 2006, 12:52

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Originally Posted by nitrous

With due respect,i disagree.

When steel rims used for tubeless tyres rust due to monsoon,rains,etc., the air-tight seal between the tyre and the rim is lost. I've seen cases.

I have them on my Uno (three rims bent over time and then hammered back in shape by the roadside tyrewallah)...for three years now... (155/80 R 13 Michelins).
Please also let our friend know...that while steel rims only bend...alloys CRACK if the impact is big???
I have alloys on my Baleno and regular rims on the uno (all tubeless tyres). Alloy wheels give a better look but if one is on a tight budget..IMHO they provide little else practical value. (I dont agree with the lighter weight > better efficiency and better ride bit...it is a very very marginal difference if at all there is)

Honda City, Optra, Ford fiesta...all come with tubeless tyres on pressed steel disc (the regular rims) rims....so why would you disagree???

s0uljah · 19th March 2006, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Buffetfan

if you are interested.(and dont want to invest in alloys)..talk to maruti and a few tyrewallahs first..before taking delivery of car...so that you can get a good resale for your current set that the car will come with..

I know normally people would upgrade only AFTER the run in period... was wondering what are the drawbacks of running in with bigger rim/tyres ?

ALSO

Approx. what price could one expect while exchanging stock tyre/rim after a few 1000km of run in? (I know it differs, but Im asking what sort of depreciation these tyre dealers keep)

Thanks.

aZa · 19th March 2006, 15:30

"Run in" Tyres are called "Chasis tyres" and to get a good price its always advisable to change them as soon as u buy the car. I change the stock tyres on my santro to GIII 175/60/R13 paying 1000Rs extra per tyre. The car had 200Kms on the odo that time. While in my other car an accent i changed it with 50kms on the odo for the same.

Alloys and rims have an issue, while buying alloys i wanted to exchange the stock rims the dealer quoted 500 per rim and that was way too low, he told me to rather keep the stock rims and sell my car with those as i could still manage a decent resale value for the chrome alloys. Made sense to me so i still have the black stock rims as show peices in my room lol

s0uljah · 19th March 2006, 15:35

Thanks Aza. Yeah in terms of $$$ it definately makes sense to trade in at the time of purchase, because I would never be able to convince my dad to shell out another 45k for my choice of alloys and tyres.

Im just curious as to whether there are any drawbacks to running in a new engine with wider tyres, alloys and bigger rims.

Buffetfan · 20th March 2006, 10:23

The Baleno Vxi comes with the same set of tyres (that you want to upgrade to) and with the same suspension and engine to the best of my knowledge..
Depreciation could be huge if you change after a 1000 kms.... I paid Rs 1350-1400 (cant remember) /tyre when IO changed from the original 165/80 R 13 to 185/65 R 14 but this was done at the time of car purchase.

venkatrx · 26th March 2006, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Sajesh

Hi to....
I am a very new member to this forum. I have a question running in my mind for past some time about Baleno as i am getting one in another 5 - 6 days. Its about wheel size, i had searched thru the net and all possible places for answers to my question but with little luck.

I have the following questions:

1. how much of mileage drop will be there if i chage the orignial tyres (i.e) 165/80 R13 to 185/65 R14.
2. What would be other implications with it.

Though i went thru earlier topicc on this, i dint have enough calrity on the same.

Please advise.

Thanks,
Sajesh

I too had similar queries bofore my baleno vxi, what i heard from experts are as follows.

1. Mileage drop should happen because there is more rubber to ground contact. but this i heard is negligible like about 0.2 or 0.3 kms/ltr

2. Implications : more rubber contact means BETTER ROAD GRIP, better cornering control. If you dont drive below 90kmph lxi tyres are fine. Better Looks with 14 inch rim. Go for 5-spoke alloys, any wheel change, wheel balancing is critical. Tubeless tyres are supposed to safer than the tube-tyres.

3. Aura alloys look very average. I heard HR alloys make good looking one.....Insist on a 100 PCD alloy for perfect fitment with Baleno.

Bottom line : If you dont drive very fast [below 90 kmph], IMHO dont change your tyres, just get a MGA wheel caps for 1200/-

mclaren1885 · 26th March 2006, 14:07

Something that i noticed not mentioned was that better tyres not only give u better handling but better breaking too .. Have personally seen bigger , wider tyres make a hell lot of difference when it comes to braking .. Not to mention lesser wheelspins too

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Slash · 27th March 2006, 21:42

The best config you could go in for is:

185/65 R14 tyres : Goodyear Eagle NCT 5 (Yes the ones on Optra) or Bridgestone Turanzas if you can get hold of them. I've heard that Michelin Certis are awesome but not available easily.

For your rims go in for R14 x 5j to match your tyres.

shrivz · 23rd April 2006, 22:56

hi.. ive used up my 185/70/R13 goodyears on my baleno... there's barely 20% tread left.. I'm seriously looking for 205/60/R13 Falken tyres, they're the ones with the single F1 tread design. Also looking for a good set of alloy wheels.

I would like advice on whether to go in for 205/60/R13 or 195/65/R14 Flaken rubber, or if there's any better rubber in the market.
Golden Tyres (Pune) has quoted me 2850 per tyre for the 205/60/R13 Falkens.. and 2900 per tyre for the 195/65/R14 Falkens...

need to change my tyres in around a week's time...

Experts, please advise..

Samurai · 23rd April 2006, 23:20

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Originally Posted by shrivz

I would like advice on whether to go in for 205/60/R13 or 195/65/R14 Flaken rubber, or if there's any better rubber in the market.

Both are wrong sizes for the Baleno. You should pick either 195/60R14 or 205/50R15. Use the tire calc, don't just pick numbers from thin air.

hari_rama · 24th April 2006, 01:20

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Originally Posted by venkatrx

3. Aura alloys look very average. I heard HR alloys make good looking one.....Insist on a 100 PCD alloy for perfect fitment with Baleno.

what do u mean by 100 PCD? is it anything about the width of alloy?also while selecting an alloy , should one check whethre it weigh less than the stock setup?

Buffetfan · 24th April 2006, 14:13

Pitch circle diameter...Dia of that imaginary circle that can be drawn through the lugs that support the wheel....for a 4 lug wheel it is the distance between the diagonal lugs...

venkatrx · 24th April 2006, 14:46

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Originally Posted by hari_rama

what do u mean by 100 PCD? is it anything about the width of alloy?also while selecting an alloy , should one check whethre it weigh less than the stock setup?

PCD stands for (pitch circle diameter), this is the diameter of a circle drawn through the center of your wheel's bolt holes. PCD is measured in millimetres and also indicates the number of studs or bolts the wheel will have. The most common fitment has 4 studs with a PCD of 100mm, hence the fitment 4x100. Check the fitment guide above to check the fitment of your car, if you are unsure consult a technician. [source : http://www.rochfordtyres.co.uk/fitmentguide.asp]

alloys are made of aluminium and most of them are lighter than the stock rim (which are made of steel)

17th March 2006, 04:59	#152
S@~+#0$# BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 700 Thanked: 43 Times View My Garage	with nitrous on this one. The tyre also loses pressure when the rim is bent. Would suggest you go in for alloywheels with tubeless tyres. This will also make your tyres look wider as alloywheels are wider than most OEM rims. Cheers Santhosh
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19th March 2006, 15:30	#155
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	"Run in" Tyres are called "Chasis tyres" and to get a good price its always advisable to change them as soon as u buy the car. I change the stock tyres on my santro to GIII 175/60/R13 paying 1000Rs extra per tyre. The car had 200Kms on the odo that time. While in my other car an accent i changed it with 50kms on the odo for the same. Alloys and rims have an issue, while buying alloys i wanted to exchange the stock rims the dealer quoted 500 per rim and that was way too low, he told me to rather keep the stock rims and sell my car with those as i could still manage a decent resale value for the chrome alloys. Made sense to me so i still have the black stock rims as show peices in my room lol
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19th March 2006, 15:35	#156
s0uljah Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 2,222 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	Thanks Aza. Yeah in terms of $$$ it definately makes sense to trade in at the time of purchase, because I would never be able to convince my dad to shell out another 45k for my choice of alloys and tyres. Im just curious as to whether there are any drawbacks to running in a new engine with wider tyres, alloys and bigger rims.
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20th March 2006, 10:23	#157
Buffetfan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,128 Thanked: 195 Times	The Baleno Vxi comes with the same set of tyres (that you want to upgrade to) and with the same suspension and engine to the best of my knowledge.. Depreciation could be huge if you change after a 1000 kms.... I paid Rs 1350-1400 (cant remember) /tyre when IO changed from the original 165/80 R 13 to 185/65 R 14 but this was done at the time of car purchase.
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26th March 2006, 14:07	#159
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Something that i noticed not mentioned was that better tyres not only give u better handling but better breaking too .. Have personally seen bigger , wider tyres make a hell lot of difference when it comes to braking .. Not to mention lesser wheelspins too ..
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27th March 2006, 21:42	#160
Slash BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 50 Thanked: 45 Times	The best config you could go in for is: 185/65 R14 tyres : Goodyear Eagle NCT 5 (Yes the ones on Optra) or Bridgestone Turanzas if you can get hold of them. I've heard that Michelin Certis are awesome but not available easily. For your rims go in for R14 x 5j to match your tyres.
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23rd April 2006, 22:56	#161
shrivz BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pune, MH12 Posts: 604 Thanked: 96 Times View My Garage	hi.. ive used up my 185/70/R13 goodyears on my baleno... there's barely 20% tread left.. I'm seriously looking for 205/60/R13 Falken tyres, they're the ones with the single F1 tread design. Also looking for a good set of alloy wheels. I would like advice on whether to go in for 205/60/R13 or 195/65/R14 Flaken rubber, or if there's any better rubber in the market. Golden Tyres (Pune) has quoted me 2850 per tyre for the 205/60/R13 Falkens.. and 2900 per tyre for the 195/65/R14 Falkens... need to change my tyres in around a week's time... Experts, please advise..
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24th April 2006, 14:13	#164
Buffetfan Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,128 Thanked: 195 Times	Pitch circle diameter...Dia of that imaginary circle that can be drawn through the lugs that support the wheel....for a 4 lug wheel it is the distance between the diagonal lugs...
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