The C3 Automatic will take on the likes of the Tata Punch and Hyundai Exter.

Earlier this year, Citroen launched the C3 Aircross Automatic. The SUV comes with a 6-speed torque converter automatic gearbox. The same could now be offered in the C3 hatchback.

According to media reports, Citroen might launch the C3 automatic by June this year. The 6-speed automatic gearbox will be paired with the 1.2-litre turbo-petrol engine. This unit makes 109 BHP and 190 Nm.

The C3 Automatic will take on the likes of the Tata Punch and Hyundai Exter. Both cars get automated manual transmissions (AMT) instead of a proper automatic.

Reports suggest that Citroen also plans to introduce new features in the C3. The car will get an automatic climate control system and a foldable key.

The Citroen C3 is also available with a 1.2-litre naturally aspirated petrol engine which produces 81 BHP and 115 Nm. This engine is paired with a 5-speed manual gearbox.

Source: Autocar India

I found that the car kept shifting into the Park mode automatically and despite my attempts, I couldn't engage the reverse gear.

BHPian HAR_MAN recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hello,

I recently encountered a concerning issue with my Tata Nexon Fearless DCA, and I'm seeking some insights and advice from fellow members who might have experienced something similar.

Last October, I purchased a Tata Nexon Fearless DCA, and up until last Sunday, I had been enjoying a smooth driving experience, despite encountering some software glitches in the infotainment system and speedometer.

However, last Wednesday, while on the road, I suddenly noticed a transmission error message flashing on the display. The car began to slow down and eventually came to a halt. I found that the car kept shifting into park mode automatically, and despite my attempts, I couldn't engage the reverse gear. Though I could intermittently switch to drive mode, the issue persisted.

Concerned about the situation, I promptly contacted Roadside Assistance, and the car was towed to Prerana Motors service center. Technicians at the service center have been unable to diagnose the root cause of the problem. Initially, they attempted to resolve it by updating the software, but to no avail. Subsequently, they checked the gear oil level and viscosity, finding everything within normal parameters. Currently, they've escalated the issue to Tata Motors headquarters and are awaiting a response.

I'm reaching out to the Team-BHP community to see if anyone has encountered a similar transmission issue with the Tata Nexon Fearless DCA or any other variant. Any insights, advice, or shared experiences would be greatly appreciated as I navigate through this situation.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Update

I wanted to provide an update on my Tata Nexon Fearless DCA. After three weeks at the service centre, it's finally back.

They ended up replacing the DCT assembly, ABS control unit and ESP unit. Frankly, I'm puzzled about why they swapped out the ABS motor and ESP unit. According to my service advisor, they found errors in these components, which prompted the replacements, but the connection to the transmission issue isn't clear to me.

I wish they had provided more insight into why these particular parts were replaced. Regardless, I'm hoping for smoother driving now that the car is back, and I'll keep an eye on the performance of these new components.

Here's what BHPian robincsamuel had to say about the matter:

You're not alone, there were a few issues reported on the forum's official review thread. it looks like there are some issues with the October - November 2023 batch.

Here's what BHPian padmrajravi had to say about the matter:

And there is no official recall for this? They seem to wait for their customers to get stranded on the road and then replace it even though they know about the issue. This is what I hated about Tata during my ownership experience. They don't have a recall process and wait for something to happen and then do a replacement.

Here's what BHPian keshavmurthym had to say about the matter:

Then it's obvious and it looks like there are some issues with the early batch DCA units. Touchwood so far other than the mentioned 2 glitches, the car is driving fine.

I always wanted to go for Indian made with tested build quality and now I started feeling bad for my decision. It's better to go for tried or tested AMT/CVT transmission without any second thoughts if you are looking for automatic. Just waiting to complete 1 year with this Nexon and will change for sure post that.

In my case, I did not face any issues and they asked me to take the car to the service center ASAP to replace the DCA unit. Also, it was in the service center for 2 days and they had replaced the entire DCA gearbox (which I came to know only after looking at the invoice).

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Since beater car is AT, running around congested cities within bumper to bumper traffic is easy. Besides, for the highways, the MT in the main car provides that control and fun to drive factor.

BHPian DCEite recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Many households today prefer to keep atleast two cars in their garage, for the reasons like the need of a secondary "city" only car and the main car for the highway, or a second car for the spouse or home errands/dropping kids to school etc.

Some of the examples that I see in my neighbourhood:

• Honda City Hybrid as main / highway car and Tata Tiago as the Beater/city car.
• Mahindra Scorpio N as the main car and Suzuki Swift as the second car.

and so on.

The idea of this thread is to understand buyer preferences when it comes to the transmission (AT/MT) of the main car vis-a-vis the beater car.

Options:

Main car MT and beater car AT

Advantages: Since beater car is AT, running around congested cities within bumper to bumper traffic is easy. Besides, for the highways, the MT in the main car provides that control and fun to drive factor.

Main car AT and beater car MT

Advantages: Since the main car is AT, long drives are less tiring on the highways and long city rides. Besides, since the beater car is most probably a small car like a Swift/Tiago/WagonR etc., the driving controls (clutch, gearbox) are light and for short city rides AT is not missed much. Infact, some small cars like Swift/Ignis/Baleno can be fun to drive with MT transmission.

Both main and beater cars MT

Advantages: For the hardcore enthusiasts, MT is the way to go, whether its the main car or the secondary car.

Both main and beater cars AT

Advantages: This scenario is not uncommon, but in western world this is the norm. AT all the time, is putting comfort over everything else. Some ATs like DSG/DCTs can be fun to drive as well.

What are your preferences ? Do Vote !

Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:

Am addicted to good ATs & am lucky to own two of the best (ZF-8 and DSG) in my garage. Never going back to MT, unless it's for a very specific purpose (e.g. a Porsche with a 6-speed manual or a vintage car).

ATs only for me and that too, proper ATs (torque converter, dual-clutch, CVT). Strictly no AMTs or halfway-there measures like IMTs.

Here's what BHPian condor had to say on the matter:

A beater would be typically used in city, and I would want a Torque Convertor AT for this.

A regular car which I would use for long distance travel can be a MT.

Here's what BHPian DicKy had to say on the matter:

Conventional wisdom dictates that the highway car be manual and the city car be automatic.

But various variables can be at play. Higher end cars tend to be automatics, while the city car tends to be a beater that has manual transmission. Or the main car would be something like the Innova Crysta diesel or early version of Jeep Compass diesel with only manual and the city/beater car would be an electric. Then there is which car would be chauffered in or self driven, as a good number of temporary drivers are not familiar with automatics.

Here's what BHPian raptor_diwan had to say on the matter:

Definitely AT, for both.

I began to enjoy the drive and appreciate the engine note more with an automatic than when I was using a manual. I found I could relish the drive, whether in the city or on the highway. One notable observation is that automatic transmission has drascitally reduced my stress and road rage in traffic situation. With no need to press the clutch or handle extra work, I'm all in for AT.

Here's what BHPian asit.kulkarni93 had to say on the matter:

I don't mind a MT daily as my commute is relatively less. But given the typical Highway traffic that we have in Maharashtra, I would stick to an AT for now. With ATs, It has to be a non AMT. I would rather driven a MT than an AMT. Not a big fan of CVTs either but a well tuned TC or DCT is the way to go.

Here's what BHPian sunikkat had to say on the matter:

Voted both for AT

There was a time when I couldn’t think anything other than MT and for this reason got Octavia TDI MT in 2016. Currently my main drive (Octavia) is MT and my beater i20 is IVT. I totally love this combo and still believe nothing can beat the fun of driving a MT on open highways.
But voted for AT, simply because if I have to upgrade from Octavia there is just no option of MT. Also as much as fun is MT on highways, I really dread of driving it in Bangalore city.

For beater / city car it’s a no brainer.

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No updates after multiple follow-ups, hence we might file a complaint at consumer court against Ford India.

BHPian Utkarsh1907 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

The car had been running smoothly for the last five years with my dad driving it mostly in the city of Ranchi, when all of a sudden while driving on a pretty smooth road, the transmission made a horrible sound and then the vehicle stopped running altogether. The car has been serviced at the Ford Ranchi workshop only. We had purchased an extended warranty, so any mechanical breakdown has to be covered under the extended warranty.

On 8th November at 10:45 PM, while driving on a pretty smooth road at 30-40 km/h, the car suddenly made a loud metallic sound accompanied by heavy jerks from the underside of the car and completely stopped with a Red service sign. It got stuck in the middle of the road and did not shift to neutral. It shifted to neutral after a few minutes and then with the help of some good samaritans, the car could be pushed to the side of the road for parking. My dad immediately contacted Roadside assistance to tow it to the Ford workshop. It seemed as if the automatic transmission had failed.

The damaged car was then transported safely through a tow truck sent by the HDFC Ergo RSA team to the workshop. The next afternoon, my dad went to Diara Ford Ranchi. We were pretty sure that the damage would be covered under the extended warranty that we had purchased earlier. However, we were told that the breakdown was not due to any mechanical failure and the repair cost had to be covered through insurance treating it as an accident. My dad explained everything to the SA as there was no mark on the external car surface to warrant an insurance claim. But the SA was in no mood to listen to any logic. He tried to show some old minor scratches on the front bumper to justify his hypothesis. My dad asked him to contact the Ford Chennai technical team and involve him in the discussion as he is a practising Mechanical Engineer.

On 14th November 23, we got a message from Diara Ford that the estimated delivery for the car is 17 Nov 23 and the estimated cost is Rs 590. On receipt of this message, we thought that maybe after discussion with the Chennai technical team, Ford has agreed to honour its warranty, but alas, we were told that the Chennai team is not agreeing to consider it as mechanical damage. My dad just wanted to discuss it with the technical team and they have not honoured it to date.

Many times Diara Ford called to agree to the damage claim against insurance and not through extended warranty, which my dad refused because he felt that it was a trap by Diara Ford to make us file a fraudulent insurance claim and in the process bear all the expenses of the repair on our own. The insurance will be flatly rejected, as there is no external damage mark on the vehicle to justify such a huge mechanical failure. Whatever damage is there is only in the underbelly of the car. Diara Ford / Ford India's contention of accidental damage can only be possible if the car was physically lifted by a crane and then it was dropped on some object causing a serious impact only on the underbelly of the car without any external damage. It's absurd.

Now, after months of following up with Ford India, we are still nowhere and don't know what to do next. We plan to file a complaint in the consumer court against Ford, but I think it might take a long time.

Extended Warranty details.

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All I saw was a sea cars with some type of automatic spilling across every segment in their own or in competing segment.

BHPian HereticHermit recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

I had been whining about wanting to buy a pseudo SUV.

Today, much schooled by team bhp fraternity and mentally making up mind that I have to live with all-the-tech-that-you-can-cram-inside-console I went to Mahindra, KIA, Citroën, and Honda in quest of any car that can meet simple formula of making the driver in me happy.

1. 4 Cylinder engine,
2. Turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
3. Manual (old school stick shift) transmission,
4. Upto 1500 cc engine.
5. 4 meter plus length, under 20 lakh budget.

All I saw was a sea cars with some type of automatic spilling across every segment in their own or in competing segment. Why in world the suddenly manuals became such a rarity? I understand demand and supply rule but the put-down to manuals just accelerated so quickly is something of a modern marvel. Almost every sale guy writhed in agony that I am not into comfort of life and so ignorant about bliss of driving automatic car.

Can you point me in right direction i.e. which brand showroom I should be paying visit to next Sunday? Much as I love to buy a new, if nothing works then I might look into second hand car market but 5 point list cannot be stretched or pushed to accommodate something outside. I am not in hurry.

Here's what BHPian DCEite had to say on the matter:

If I am not wrong the Slavia/Virtus 1.5 Turbo are available with MT. These satisfies most of your criteria.

Then there is also Verna 1.5 Turbo Petrol. Honda City 1.5 NA (No Turbo though).

Manuals are not becoming rarity, but Automatics are picking up the popularity because of the ever increasing traffic, ease of driving in congested traffic. Besides, AT cars with Dual clutch automatics and Paddle shifters are also Fun to drive - case in point Slavia/Virtus/Taigun/Kushaq/Verna 1.5 etc.

Here's what BHPian SoumenD had to say on the matter:

Which car did you see that didn't have a manual transmission and only AT guise? All 20L cars I can think of has a stick shift variant priced 1-2L cheaper than their AT counterparts for obvious reasons.

All VW/Skoda 2.0 cars(Slavia, Virtus, Kushaq, taigun) have 1.5L turbo MTs under 20L. Verna turbo too is available in that budget in manual guise. Honda Elevate or City have NA 1.5L iVtec MTs. Heck, even some variants of XUV700(5 str) come with 2L MT petrol if you like them big.

Here's what BHPian IshaanIan had to say on the matter:

If you are open to used options, the S-Cross is the perfect car for you: normally aspirated 4 cylinder petrol motor and a slick shifting manual gearbox along with loads of space, solid build, slick ride quality and excellent ergonomics.

As far as new cars go, the new Honda Elevate might be as no nonsense as it gets otherwise I personally believe that the S-Cross was the last car sold in our market that did not rely on fancy features but just solid engineering it is a pity our market demanded that cars behave like the latest phones (I blame Hyundai for this) and now Maruti is selling the same car as the Grand Vitara for nearly double the money

Here's what BHPian vattyboy had to say on the matter:

All cars that you have mentioned come in Top-End Trim with Manual Transmission.

Examples-

• Creta Diesel Sx(0)/ 1.5 NA Sx(0)
• Seltos 1.5 Turbo petrol Htk+
• Honda Elevate Zx
• Mahindra Xuv 700 Ax3/ Ax5 / Ax7

Etc.

In foreign countries, the transition from MT to AT happened many years ago, in this department, India is behind them but one advantage we have today is brands are still giving us the choice of MT today.

I went to Dubai and Bali recently and drove a Honda Brio and i10 Nois there and such small-size hatchbacks were equipped with AT with no manual options available.

Advantage of AT

Better resale value- 10 years down the line when you will be in the market for the car which you bought today, It will fetch you better resale value because, after 2034 AT will normalize to such an extent that even the 2nd hand buyers will start looking for cars with an AT.

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The C3 Aircross AT is claimed to be the most budget-friendly automatic mid-size SUV in India.

The Citroen C3 Aircross is now available with an automatic transmission. The SUV comes in three variants – Plus, Max and Max 5+2-seater, with prices starting at Rs 12,84,800 (ex-showroom).

According to the company, the C3 Aircross AT is the most budget-friendly automatic mid-size SUV in India. It features an Aisin-sourced 6-speed automatic transmission that has a manual gear selector mode.

Powering the C3 Aircross Automatic is a 1.2-litre, 3-cylinder turbo-petrol engine that produces 109 BHP @ 5,500 rpm and 205 Nm @ 1,750-2,500 rpm. As you may have noted, the engine has a higher torque rating, offering 15 Nm more than the manual version.

The C3 Aircross Automatic is available with a 5-seat or 5+2 seat configuration with up to 511 litres of luggage space. It comes equipped with a 10-inch touchscreen infotainment system with smartphone connectivity, a new 7-inch digital instrument cluster and USB charging. The SUV also has more than 40 connected features, including remote engine start and remote AC preconditioning.

Citroen C3 Aircross Automatic ex-showroom prices:

• Plus AT 5-seater – Rs 12,84,800
• Max AT 5-seater – Rs 13,49,800
• Max AT 5+2-seater – Rs 13,84,800

I am going to be following Honda's recommendation and changing the oil and filter every 20K KMs. Its expensive, but better than replacing the entire transmission unit.

BHPian Isxkllr recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Summarizing CVT oil change for Jatco JF015E - unit which is equipped in Baleno and the Magnite. This is all you need to know for CVT oil changes!

Recommended interval that I am following - oil 20K KMs(see Honda amaze interval) and filter change recommended at 20K KMs, but you may stretch to 40K KMs. India falls under extreme driving conditions. Remember: filter cost is a fraction of the transmission assembly!

MSS service centers are not trained on how to change the CVT oil and its filters. You will have to do some research and guide the team on how to do the same. I was present with my car through the process.

Videos you should checkout on CVT replacement:

• CVT Fluid change on a Baleno CVT
• CVT Gearbox disassembly on a Nissan Sentra

Only the first 5 minutes will suffice. Notice how they remove the other cylindrical filter. You have to guide your mechanic on how to do this.

Refer my old post on how to change the CVT oil and main filter

Follow the procedure in step 4, and order the other filter which is not available in MSS. I used this amazon link, procured two, one for next oil change. Could not find this on boodmo either
Amazon link to the filter

Replace the two filters every 20K or 40K per your comfort along with oil changes and you should be good to go!

Now let the pictures do the talking

Location of the filters:

Old filter vs the new filter

New transmission pan filter, link in the other post

Condition of the oil, previous oil change was around 20K KMs before

New oil, around 3.3L went in - we measured the drained oil.

I am going to be following Honda's recommendation and changing the oil and filter every 20K KMs. Its expensive, but better than replacing the entire transmission unit.

If anyone wants to know where you can get this done in NCR, head to MSM Okhla or drop me a DM, will share the details!

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The C3 Aircross Automatic is likely to be offered in Plus and Max trims only.

According to a media report, Citroen is likely to launch automatic variants of the C3 Aircross this month. It is said that select dealerships have already started accepting pre-bookings for a token amount of Rs 25,000.

Currently, the Citroen C3 Aircross is available in three variants: You, Plus and Max. The report states that the carmaker is likely to offer the automatic in the Plus and Max trims only.

The C3 Aircross is positioned between the C3 and the C5 Aircross. It comes with a 5+2 seat layout, with a third row of seats that can also be removed. The SUV is equipped with a 10.25-inch touchscreen infotainment system with wireless Android Auto and Apple CarPlay connectivity, a digital instrument cluster, air-conditioning with a roof-mounted blower and TPMS.

The C3 Aircross is powered by a 1.2-litre turbo-petrol engine that makes 108 BHP @ 5,500 rpm and 190 Nm @ 1,750 rpm. The engine is likely to be paired with a 6-speed torque converter automatic.

Source: Carwale

This seems to be a very common error with Skoda cars across Europe, however, it was with cars having DSG transmissions.

BHPian SP2490 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

It has been close to 1.5 yr since I got myself a Skoda Octavia. Usage typically has been a mix of city & highway driving, although I have never taken it on a 200+km road trip. That changed recently when I took a trip to Nashik. The car was great to drive on flat surfaces and on curves, all as expected. However, on my way back when I started the car the system showed a ghastly error message- Selector Lever Error. You can drive on. Visit your workshop immediately.

I had never seen such an error before and I started to dig in immediately as I had to travel 200kms back. This seems to be a very common error with Skoda cars across Europe, however, it was with cars having DSG. The new Octavia having drive-by-wire should be less susceptible to transmission issues, at least that's what I thought.

Fortunately, the error disappeared on restarting the car, and I was able to drive back. But today that system error popped up again and I have to take the car to the workshop.

Long story short, I was wondering if anyone here faced a similar issue and what was the reason for it and whether it was permanently fixed.

Here's what BHPian Jeroen had to say about the matter:

If you're lucky it is just a problem with the microswitch or the wiring/connector of the microswitch.

Get them to read the codes and troubleshoot subsequently, but I believe this is a pretty common error/issue on the Skoda DSG.

Here's what BHPian Hayek had to say about the matter:

Do let us know what the diagnosis is. This is not the behaviour I observed on my Superb with the DQ200 when the mechatronics failed. In that case, it merely failed to shift out of P into D - and the indicator kept blinking. Hope this is not a mechatronics issue but is something minor with the system. Best of luck.

Here's what BHPian audioholic had to say about the matter:

It isn't a mechatronic issue. The error is coming from the Gear selector lever when it can't read the correct position. IIRC the company was replacing the selector lever on some Kushaqs and Slavias.

Once the vehicle is plugged into the diagnostics tool it will show which position in the gear selector was not read or was implausible. That can explain better what the issue is and perhaps only the selector assembly is faulty.

Here's what BHPian CEF_Beasts had to say about the matter:

This isn’t a mechatronic issue, but the gear lever selector chip issue.

This is a well-known issue in India as well, a few people have already faced it and got it replaced under warranty…

Here are link 1 and link 2 from the official review which mention the same issue. Do check if it’s indeed the same error that you’re facing.

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The solution seems to have come from a consensus among various Hexa owner's group

BHPian theZULU recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Quite a few XTA/XMA owners are reporting 6L50 AT malfunctioning/failure around 1 Lakh km/5 years.

The most common cause identified for this seems to be coolant getting mixed with ATF due to corrosion within the internal separating walls of the AT oil cooler, due to which coolant enters the AT and damages the solenoids of the TC.

TaMo does not repair/overhaul the 6L50 AT. Their only solution is to replace the entire AT unit at a cost of approximately Rs 4.5 lakhs. The situation is getting further attenuated by the long waiting period for the aggregate due to the
non-availability of Tata Motors who have to resort to import from the original OEM.

It also seems that TaMo has failed to factor in the driving conditions peculiar to India i.e. operating in heavy traffic & high summer temperatures especially in North India due to which they have advised that ATF is filled for the lifetime of the vehicle; i.e. 5 years!

A consensus seems to be emerging among the Various Hexa groups on SM that the only solution to avoid the heavy hit to the pocket is prophylactic replacement of both the AT oil cooler and the complete ATF in the AT on completion of 60000 km/3 years or so.

For info & action please as considered expedient.

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