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Originally Posted by blue_pulsar I have one thing to say about the pricing. If the Vento costs 9.9Lacs, 9.8Lacs for the ZDi+ is too optimistic. But yeah, VXi pricing is good. |
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Originally Posted by extreme_torque The diesel is overpriced as far as I am concerned. I would not pick this over Honda City or the Verna or even the new Ford Fiesta. |
Indeed.
In retrospection, the ZDI and the ZDI+ do seem overpriced, specially in comparison to the immediate competition. Maruti could have easily shaved at least 15K from the pricing of those variants (at least to play the introductory VFM pricing card), and brought it down to be a match for the Linea Emotion and/or be close to the Fiesta Titanium.
The VDI is adequately priced, and so is the VDI+. The price difference between the VDI+ & the ZDI, vis-a-vis the features on offer, seems to be too huge. That is where they could have shaved off a few rupees and brought down the ZDI/ZDI+ prices a bit further.
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Originally Posted by blue_pulsar The dash looks too much like Swift. Not sure if someone who pays 12 Lacs for ZDi+ will be happy about it. |
Well, the Brio's dash in a 9L OTR Amaze and a 13-14L OTR Mobilio is selling, so no reason to see why the Ciaz won't sell with the same dash as the DZire/Swift. As long as the paying customer isn't complaining, MSIL won't be, either.
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Originally Posted by Self Driven Is the Ford Fiesta not a competitor in this segment, did not see anyone using it for comparison
Except the rear space it has most of the things for a sub ten lakh car, anyone saying |
It is included in the comparo, and also in the price sheets I uploaded in Page 1. But there is no comparison when you come to sheer driveability factor for an enthusiast - the Fiesta blows the Ciaz out of the water in that aspect.
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Originally Posted by SoumenD But what am interested in is the new 1.5L diesel that Suzuki apparently is working on? That, on this chasis might just do what the new 1.5L 4cyl mill did for Polo. Just a thought. |
It will be offered in a mid-cycle facelift, I am sure. About 2½-3 years down the line. It won't replace the 1.3L DDiS, but will be a separate option.
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Originally Posted by D4D I'm against the move of MSIL using the 1.3 MJD right from Ritz to Ciaz. |
Most manufacturers are following this trend these days, unfortunately. Same engine powers the Amaze & the City, the Verna & the Elantra, Grand i10 & Elite i20, etc.
A 1.6L Fiesta Classic is a fantastic & unique offering in that regard, but is a sales dud, compared to competition.
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Features comparison. |
Excellent comparo. A minor correction - The Z_I (O) variants and the Z_I+ variants are the same.
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Originally Posted by amit_2025 The brand name is both a positive and negative for this car; however the negative can change with real time examples in the XUV, Verna and Elantra. People need to have a look at the product before really terming the City "Premium" |
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Originally Posted by SchumiFan Wonderful post, CrAzY dRiVeR! Hits the nail on the head. City is no longer premium and there is no definitive car in this segment that gives the consumer all they want in a car. Suzuki didn't try creating a perfect car. They gave a car which is jack of all trades. Considering their expertise in service even though expensive, it bodes very well for Maruti and if people can come out of the 'Honda=Premium' mindset they will see that too.
IMHO Amaze, Brio, latest City are not Honda quality anymore. |
Indeed. The XUV & the Aria are excellent examples of premium offerings from manufacturers who are more known for their mass-market cars.
And in comparison, Hondas have really gone down. Just open the door of a Brio, Amaze, Mobilio or even the City, and you won't feel the premium richness anymore. Build quality and fit/finish compromises are there for everyone to see, and if the segment competition keeps bringing out better cars, they will soon feel the heat.
IMHO, the 4th-generation City cannot be termed premium. Spend a couple lacs more and get an Octavia/Jetta to get a feel of real premium-ness of a car, I say.
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Originally Posted by neethi_raj Also, could you please double check on the touchscreen infotainment system? The City has it in its top 2 variants and the Ciaz doesn't offer them. |
The City doesn't have a touchscreen infotainment system. It's a non-touchscreen HU which doesn't play videos, even. In comparison, the Ciaz Z_I+'s 7" touchscreen HU has navigation and can play videos too.
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Originally Posted by Leoshashi In all, a very decent attempt from Maruti. This car can never be the enthusiast's choice. It lacks personality of say a Swift, or a City or a Punto. But for common man, it ticks all the right boxes.
This car can very well carve a space of its own in the C segment. Will not affect Honda, but other weaker players are sure to be affected. |
And that is where the mass-market buyers are. MSIL have played it smartly by pricing their mid-variants (V_I+ & Z_I) in the <10L bracket, and that is where most of the Ciaz's sales will come from. It will surely pull some buyers away from all the segment offerings, specially Volkswagen, Skoda, Nissan, Renault, Ford & Fiat will feel the sales' heat in a big way. Even Honda & Hyundai might not be spared.
It's a practical, no-nonsense offering from the stable of India's biggest car manufacturer, and it has
just enough to take on the market leaders. If I was a car manufacturer relying on sales in the C2-segment, I would be worried.