Gypsy on Steroids: Lockers installed and tested now

DirtyDan · 18th August 2008, 17:10

Now that this is completed maybe we can get him to paint his front and grill. Something must be done!

headers · 18th August 2008, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Samurai

No, bad idea. Please note that forward wheels are used for steering the vehicle, front wheels turn in different speeds everytime you turn the steering. You will break the axle in no time.

Sir, I am a little confused about the lockers, they are lsd to me if there is no lever / switch to turn them on/off. And if it is LSD then you can use them in the front / back.

Also, there are enough vehicles which full have Diff locks in the front.

Agree that, we should NOT use them on hard ground.

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

. This will be done every 10K Kms and also before that if there is any abnormal behavior.

Shanavaz, you need NOT open the diff every 10K kms.

BTW, are these full lockers or LSD? I'm zapped here. if there are full lockers, how can you turn the vehicle in high speed ?

khan_sultan · 18th August 2008, 20:59

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Originally Posted by headers

... BTW, are these full lockers or LSD? I'm zapped here. if there are full lockers, how can you turn the vehicle in high speed ?

They are full lockers and not LSD. They are always locked and their design is such that they unlock during cornering/turnings. (A spool will NOT allow differentiation of wheels during turning. NOT a locker)

Here is the link to Lock Right Locker Website that explains it's working:

A quote from the website:

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The LOCK-RIGHT's operation is fully automatic..... While traveling straight the LOCK-RIGHT will lock the axles together similar to a spool. However, when the wheels need to differentiate in a turn, the LOCK-RIGHT will allow the outside wheel to rotate faster to complete the turn. The internal gears on the LOCK-RIGHT will overrun each other to allow this differentiation.

When operating off-road, the LOCK-RIGHT will always send the engine power to the wheels that need it most. For example, if you are rock crawling and one wheel is in the air (complete loss of traction), the wheel on the ground will receive the engine power and keep you going. Whether it be snow, sand, mud, ice, etc... the LOCK-RIGHT will give you the traction you need.

gotzuk · 18th August 2008, 21:08

Hi Shahnawaz,
Is the correct part number for the Lock Right rear lockers LR 1510?
I am about to buy one and i want to be sure that i am ordering the right thing.
Cheers

khan_sultan · 18th August 2008, 21:12

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

Hi Shahnawaz,
Is the correct part number for the Lock Right rear lockers LR 1510?
I am about to buy one and i want to be sure that i am ordering the right thing.
Cheers

Welcome to the club Gotuzk.

. You will NOT regret the lockers. Take my word for it.

for Gypsy 413, it is LR 1530 [This is what I had]
For Gypsy 410 it is LR 1510 [Not sure. maybe LR 1520]

Also, there are options to order without the coupler (and use the existing side gear itself). I had the one which replaced the side gear also. Maybe 1510 is the option w.o the coupler. Not sure.

Cheers,
Shahnawaz

1100D · 18th August 2008, 21:44

Waiting eagerly to see more on this space.

HappyWheels · 18th August 2008, 21:50

I am waiting for a drive on this beauty!

gotzuk · 19th August 2008, 01:22

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

Welcome to the club Gotuzk.

. You will NOT regret the lockers. Take my word for it.

for Gypsy 413, it is LR 1530 [This is what I had]
For Gypsy 410 it is LR 1510 [Not sure. maybe LR 1520]

Also, there are options to order without the coupler (and use the existing side gear itself). I had the one which replaced the side gear also. Maybe 1510 is the option w.o the coupler. Not sure.

Cheers,
Shahnawaz

Yes,
I did some search on the part numbers and found that the LR1510 can be used on both 410 and 413 as it retains the stock side gears.
The LR1530, however comes with a coupler meant for the 413, as the stock side gears are not used.
The LR1530 is on the way..
Cheerscheers:

.anshuman · 19th August 2008, 01:32

Good to see this lockers fever spreading this fast.

headers · 19th August 2008, 08:48

hey shanavaz, thanks for the info. Congrats on your install.

Are you getting the gypsy to the pondy meet?

khan_sultan · 19th August 2008, 10:17

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

Yes,

The LR1530 is on the way..

GREAT.!!!! Good that your ordered the 1530. I would not advise folks to use the existing side gear.

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Originally Posted by .anshuman

Good to see this lockers fever spreading this fast.

. Nothing lmore exciting than making your 4x4 more capable.

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Originally Posted by headers

hey shanavaz, thanks for the info. Congrats on your install. Are you getting the gypsy to the pondy meet?

Thanks Vikram. Most probably I will be driving to pondy in my S10.

headers · 19th August 2008, 12:45

Hey, you are prompting me to get my car too..LOL

BTW, which vehicle i come in is a last moment decision. There is a massive fuel shortage in the city today and all my vehicles are kinda Stuck.

My gypsy has the creature comforts too. If there are no fuel crisis, i have no issues in bringing it!

Also, I have recently added "peddars" gas filled shocks to the vehicle to give it a better landing on a jump!

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 19th August 2008, 13:13

Dear Shahnawaz - great to see your enthusiasm and attention to detail in doing this job. There is another way too, which uses a multiplate clutch inside the differential unit. It used to be standard supply for some models exported.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

khan_sultan · 19th August 2008, 14:28

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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Shahnawaz - great to see your enthusiasm and attention to detail in doing this job.

Thats a huge compliment sir.. Really appreciated. If I can have 1/10th of the enthusiasm and attention to detail as you, I would be more than happy.

It's people like you who are an inspiration for auto-enthusiasts like me.

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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

There is another way too, which uses a multiplate clutch inside the differential unit. It used to be standard supply for some models exported...

Don't know. Would that be a LSD?

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 19th August 2008, 15:03

Yes you are correct, normally LSD comprises of a wet multiplate clutch under production setups. What you have used is an aftermarket solution provided to you because you cannot change any boundary dimensions. As the parts in your Gypsy are "post-production" fit, I suggest you go a little easy on them and get the reliability quotient established and sorted out before you floor the right pedal to metal.

And by the way - you can dispense with the "sir" bit. It makes me feel old. I am only 23 years old, you know. My medical age does not matter to me.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

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headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 559 Times	Hey, you are prompting me to get my car too..LOL BTW, which vehicle i come in is a last moment decision. There is a massive fuel shortage in the city today and all my vehicles are kinda Stuck. My gypsy has the creature comforts too. If there are no fuel crisis, i have no issues in bringing it! Also, I have recently added "peddars" gas filled shocks to the vehicle to give it a better landing on a jump!
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DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,354 Times	Dear Shahnawaz - great to see your enthusiasm and attention to detail in doing this job. There is another way too, which uses a multiplate clutch inside the differential unit. It used to be standard supply for some models exported. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 5,354 Times	Yes you are correct, normally LSD comprises of a wet multiplate clutch under production setups. What you have used is an aftermarket solution provided to you because you cannot change any boundary dimensions. As the parts in your Gypsy are "post-production" fit, I suggest you go a little easy on them and get the reliability quotient established and sorted out before you floor the right pedal to metal. And by the way - you can dispense with the "sir" bit. It makes me feel old. I am only 23 years old, you know. My medical age does not matter to me. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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