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Originally Posted by svsantosh MBut the point is, the BS3-DI-TC was pretty smooth (over my current XDP4.9) and loved its torque in 2nd-low...!!
Jaggu - Pricingwise, see this. |
Current Di is refined but the power advantage of Crde is HUGE!
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala Jaggu, Iam taking your inputs in true spirit and i know being a 3B owner you are our well wisher. So keep pouring in your thoughts. |
Thank you for taking it in the right spirit.
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala Yes very true!! Many of the off road buffs like you sensed that MM550 NGCS was coming as a replacement of Major...but the shock was THAR branding on it, which according to you isnt good for us. Point well taken! |
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala Not only hype Jaggu, it lived up to its hype and did every thig what our old humble jeeps did. What our old jeeps could not do is to over take it on the highway |
As i have always said, the Crde engine dispels anything and everything on it's way. Even "if" the IFS may have a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala Even today, CRDe THAR 4wd is the thing!! There is no dilution here. We proved it and yes it did run circles in AKC remember ?? |
I would really love to see Crde as Thar and M&M write off the money spent on those name tags for Di
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala So, you felt Di THAR is launched and CRDe is seen nowhere? Just because you have some pics here? FYI- THAR as a brand is yet to get launched officially...and yes expect some one to click CRDe THAR pics also very soon. |
No Vinod, i was being sarcastic about the delays thats all. And you know my POV about the name hijack.
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala We will give you what we showed you all in the form of THAR CRDe 4wd. Your expectations will be met and surpassed if possible. Let the buzz begin on THAR CRDe you know what iam talking about. |
Please do work on investing a little bit on interiors and the
sensor water proofing, will make a huge difference. Sensor water proofing i really dont mind if it can be done as a dealership option, if priced sensibly.
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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala Yes of course, we will benefit again! With so many valuable inputs how can we not benefit? |
Happy to share feedback, if it can be taken in the right sense.
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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves After reading all the pricing speculation the THAR Crde AT APPROX 8.5 LAKHS (on road), it is absolutely NOT VALUE FOR MONEY, and if the above statement holds true, another 1-1.5 lakhs will be the cost of differentiating the rural transport from personal transport.
Why is everyone here talking Ex showroom prices. Sounds like a bunch of M& M sales guys discussing pricing strategy here. |
Only reason why i said Ex showroom was because of the disparity in taxes between states, that shouldn't muddle our sample survey he he
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Originally Posted by JeepHyde My Question: Why should I buy a brand New Thar when I can build my own 'Thar' from say, MM550 or MM540 as more VFM option or Why shouldn't I wait with a little more patience for Thar to hit the used market? |
Nope it ain't that easy, many of us have really spent lakhs and month's on this task. I would prefer a brand new product to rebuilds.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 You know, after holding back on this topic for well obvious reasons, it sickens me to see the fact that despite an auto manufacturer, or in this case a group of passionate people inside an auto manufacturer put in the efforts to do something good for you guys, you all still grumble. |
Cy I respect the individuals, but as a customer i will mumble, grumble and jumble if i dont like something. So relax, its our right.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 Yes, I disagree with the MDi being called the Thar, but common sense dictates you call two exactly same looking vehicles the same for the sake of sheer non confusion. And yes, I believe the Thar image might slightly get diluted in terms of pure brand value. Im looking at this from a marketing perspective so I might have a different opinion to others. |
Fair enough we also shared our concerns. But i believe more than we offroaders there is a market for The Thar and there the name would always get an edge.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 From an engineering point of view though, we all know what this car is capable of as we have seen it perform at the EXAAM and AKC. it went through EACH and EVERY single obstacle. Only one of the few cars that did it mind you!! |
No doubts that engine overpowers the deficiency of IFS, if any.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 How can you make assumptions on the price if they havent been released yet? How can you decide the fate of a car without ever driving it. If you dont like it, go buy your old used, reused and basically "molested" army disposals or your ridiculously overpriced second hand gypsys and then keep tinkering with them every few days to make them work. |
I can buy a brand new gypsy for lesser price. And since Thar will not serve as my primary and only mode of transport i might be better off with a brand new Gypsy for now.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 I know for a fact that Thar bashing will continue for eternity, just as Fiat bashing continues on other threads, but then maybe some of you have no soul and just wont understand... Sad though. Have fun with your little japanese pretenders. |
Nope this is much better discussion, nowhere Thar was bashed. It was M&M's marketing strategy that was thrashed.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 EDIT: And let us not forget, at the end of the day, You aren't doing Mahindra a favor by buying the Thar or by Buying any of its other products. |
Feeling is mutual, mind you customers have evolved in the last 30 years.
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Originally Posted by bblost I agree with your points. Also I feel that M&M is betting on the fact that an enthusiast will still buy his vehicle no matter what it is called. |
Very few got it, there is a huge market more than the enthusiast, when it comes to urban population.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 That is precisely my point! And that is because they have the tech to support it!! which other car on the market gives this kind of flexibility today!! |
Gypsy, with some amount of imported off the shelf parts. Thar we even dont know what are the mod options that M&M will give, if any (again), at this point of time.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 Why do you believe that the Thar that was at EXAMM and AKC wasnt the actual thar? Give me one fact that supports the statement that it was some souped up devil's seed. |
Maybe a slightly tweaked engine mapping and a jugaad snorkel, apart from that i dont have a doubt.
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Originally Posted by AWD 8.5L would be way OTT, should I say the least VFM! |
Yup i would rather prefer a brand new Gypsy at that price, since Thar at the end of the day cant become my primary vehicle with the spec-ulation available.
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Originally Posted by Sudarshan
Manufacturers make profit not because the product is good or bad but because people buy it . Many of the current products ( all companies included ) just dont really fit in the 'value for money ' but are sold in numbers anyway ( for various reasons ) |
You said it there is more to do apart from the product, even the short video carries that message.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43
PS DB sir is a great man , a very honest ,knowledgible & yet down to earth I respect hiim not because any company, but as a person of great qualities. |
101% and more!
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 I dont think it is OT at all sudarshan. Simply because most posts here are staring to edge towards mahindra's business ethics. |
Nothing to hide here, its a clever tactic by M&M marketing. Thats all, ethics is a strong word to use.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 But, coming to value for money, I could argue that things like the Honda City or the VW polo is not value for money, but they still sell like hot cakes don't they. (similar to what you said) |
You have no clue about markets and marketing or what! Very different audience and market for these. Which Thar exclusivity could have taken advantage of, sadly no.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 Do get your facts right my friend, Dad started the threads on the thar way before any of you guys knew he was with M&M. infact as I remember correctly it was something that came up over dinner which inevitably must have been "DHUN-DAR" once and that is how it started. hehe!! |
Not really many of us knew who he was. But lets please not drag him into this, we are quite sure he is not responsible for M&M product marketing.
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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves The manufacturer isnt doing me a favour, they are doing themselves one coz they will make a profit out of my decision.
So by so called grumbling.. im doing myself a favour because im voicing my perspective.
As a prospective customer thisw is how I look at it;
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So guys, i feel this M&M sales pitch on the forum in the guise of wanting customer opinion isnt impressing the enthusiast im me.
And like has been posted by many, M&M is here to make money, so by all means they can try all their stunts.
But before I pull out my cheque Im going to make sure, its going to be a bang for my buck.
Let the sales pitch get louder. |
I share similar emotions. I think its high time customers also started being choosy. Otherwise we will go on with this same ol story again and again with manufacturers. And this goes beyond M&M.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 Is this official or is this speculation!! That is like saying the next iphone will be rubbish because it might cost a lakh!! you Can not base your opinion on speculation. It just int fair!! |
Prices are not speculative, atleast the source is reliable.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 Well, if your ideas of "enthusiastic" is a set of lights (which you dont need), a set or big rims (which you dont need), a set of massive fat tyres (which you dont need), a fancy paintjob (which you dont need), some stupid racing seats (which you dont need), and BLING in general (which you DEFINITELY don't need), maybe you should buy something else. |
We might need a diff-lock and some more articulation from the stock at the least.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 firstly, the CRDe will have bigger rims and tyres than the MDi. That is common sense. And WHY do you need all that?? The lift kit and the rims and tyres will just end up RUINING your suspension geometry. So basically you are undoing everything a multi million rupee R&D division did! WHY??? |
Let's not get into what we want or not. Leave it to the user naah, as long as the manufacturer does not create a big issue with warranty we would want to try out lot of things.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus43 So you would buy a BS3 Gypsy for almost 7 lakhs on-road but you wont buy a Thar MDi for much less?? |
6.58 lakh OTR road for BSIV gyspsy in BLR! Right now looks like a very good option for me than the Thar. I have a diesel car and Thar in the current avatar cannot replace it. So for a 5k kms of driving a year why should i spent another lakh more?
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Originally Posted by pjbiju We have Alto, i20 etc. with different engine options present in the market. At least the Alto variants are differentiated visually. I hope the THAR CRDe would be differentiated in some way.
However, I really do not mind the same name as long as I know what THAR CRDe is. So that is not a deterrent per se. Each one who buys the Thar CRDe can name it after their own hearts. In a way, if the Thar names helps to bring in higher sales volume for the DI variant, M&M can leverage that to price the CRDe version lower, benefitting the enthusiasts.
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I am waiting to see what I will get with the Thar CRDe. Will there be A/C, PS (I think this is confirmed), roll cage, an optional Hard Top, optional front facing rear seats etc.? How much would they cost, especially a good looking hard top?
I have no experience in off-roading. So the performance in that area, I will leave it to the experts to evaluate once the product hits the market. |
If you read through last few replies you will understand why name matters a little bit atleast.
Vehicle will come soft top, PS and maybe with alloys (hope its not the scorpio ones), rest if possible has to be a dealership fitment. Thats the news right now.
Capability wise vehicle is quite aok.
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Originally Posted by alabjarus Now, why does the entire discussion here revolve around nomenclature...! Does it really matter what the vehicle is actually called.
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Having said that, my take is that the Di model is for a segment that uses Thar for their bread & butter and CDRe model is for serious enthusiasts whose purpose of Thar is completely different from the Di segment. |
Yes as i said earlier we are a minority but there is another majority in the urban crowd itself which can be exploited with a right branding exercise. On the other hand bread & butter would sell irrespective of a name. That was my point.
So now that pricing is out, optimist in me slightly confused. My calculations goes like this:
The Thar: 6.1 Ex = 7.4 OTR BLR (min)
Tyre= 30
AC= 30
Rear diff locks = 40??
Total 8.4 to 8.5 minimum. This for a second vehicle and 5-6k kms run for me.
Gypsy 6.58 OTR + Tyre 30 + EDIT AC 20 + (Locker + Crawler 70) = 7.6 lakhs.
I still save close to a lakh. And less expensive electronics in the engine for my paranoia about water wading!
What to do what to do, somebody get the darn thing out and do a proper test drive evaluation!!!