4th June 2009, 00:55
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Actually i have noticed that nothing beats a good quality company recording on a CD when it comes to quality, at this point of time, no matter how costly/advanced the digital device that provides the inputs or output is  | |
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4th June 2009, 01:06
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4th June 2009, 01:10
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4th June 2009, 01:22
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one more time. But isnt that the reason why they are paid so much??! to make it sound good to our ears even while being transported in a CD and played in T, D and H's players. I dont think even the above average listener, would appreciate RAW music if its available, and then has to be played in a normal player? Will they? having to tweak the recording using a equalizer at the most? Just like make up for top models, is for our eyes  | |
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4th June 2009, 01:33
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4th June 2009, 10:20
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But in the end what ever this studio engineers put in the final mix is what we are forced to reproduce. Our music systems only REproduce sound - we do not create anything other than artifacnts and distortions in this reproduction process. So a bad mix can be cleaned and polished a bit but cannot be transformed into a fantastic mix - using digital techniques however the "cleaning and polishing" can take you quite far if you are judicious with the processing and have the patience and ear to do it right. Quote:
CD is our master. Not all of us have regular access to master tapes of all the artists we like. Quote:
2. We would never label or call anyone stupid. You should feel free to state your opinion on any thread with the caeveat that your opinion might not be the same as everyone else's and everyone's opinion MUST be valued. As far a PC based music vs CD goes, I believe that PC based music has a lot of potential just like the early CD players (in 1980) had. A Hard disk for exmaple is inherently more mechanically stable than the AVERAGE CD platter (better platters can be as stable as hard disks). Good DACs (for PCs) are evolving as we speak. Even PC based DSP software has many more leaps to take to achieve it's full potential but as of today MY belief is that a PC based system still cannot compare to a CD based system atleast in the high end ($5000+ price range). That however does not mean guys like you should stop trying. How would we progress then? Lastly please do NOT discuss Moderator actions in public like the statement below. "Dear ibm_jennifer, You have received an infraction at Team-BHP... " Last edited by navin : 4th June 2009 at 10:23. | |||
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4th June 2009, 10:44
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Many people download HD because they read somewhere HD will make a world of difference. However they do not realize that HD will make a difference only if you have the hardware to do so. Quote:
However your thread has inspired me to atleast look for some software based solution for my home PC wherein I can change the sound signature such that watching movies is more pleasurable. | ||
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4th June 2009, 12:11
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The question still remains that what ever the rip, the source is still a commercial CD and that cant change. You can rip the CD to hard disk in lossless but once that is done the best you can do is faithfully reproduce the rip on your speakers (if the recording itself is good). If the recording is poor it can be processed and made more listenable but usually this means parametric equallizations, band width limitation, reducing noise by companding (compressing and expanding) the signal, etc.. Again each of these are easier done in the digital domian and you have to be very knowledgeable, judicious and patient. A well recorded, mastered and pressed CD (and tobe fair today we get many more of these than we did in the early days) will not be beat by it's Flac rip. One option however is to copy the CD in CDA format on to hard disk (it only requires about 2-3 times the space of the flac anyway). Then use the more stable hard disk platter as the source. What IBM_J believes he can do is that he can play the music (or a series of test tones) on his car PC. Then using a good mic tweak the PC's output (which is via the sound card) using DSP software to compensate for the anamolies of the speaker, amplifier, DAC, etc. However since the speaker (like all speakers) have a different power response for different SPLs this tweaking will only be applicable to the particular SPL the testing was done at. | |
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4th June 2009, 12:27
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I think IBM_J's point is, music is also launched on media that is much better then Audio CD. For example Audio DVD. With Audio DVD, Frequency and bits per sample are better. It cab be up to 192 KHz and 24 bit. | |
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4th June 2009, 12:48
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This is a forum. We are here to share what we know and to learn from others. Navin and DA are experienced, but not always correct. I have corrected Navin when he was wrong. It was just once or twice, but it made my day and he was happy to be corrected. It showed a mutual respect and that is the base of this forum. If others do not agree with you, this does not change the value of what you're saying. It shows that people are taking your idea seriously enough to discuss amongst each other, instead of laughing it off. Senior or not, Moderator or not, I don't think such a tone in an exchange of views/opinions/knowledge/information is acceptable. You are a bright young fellow (and far more technical than I could ever be) - If I was you, I'd pick out all the gems of information from these old fellows, thank them for those gems, use whatever I felt was right (discarding all I disagree with and letting them know that I disagree with some points) and do whatever I want in the end and share my results with all. Thats what this forum is here for. I'm not preaching to you, I'm simply guiding you - since you referred to me as a senior. I hope you can understand. | |||
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5th June 2009, 16:50
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5th June 2009, 17:01
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BTW dont get disheartend the PDF article echos the view I posted in one of my posts earlier As PC and laptop technologies improve, more performance and convenience benefits can be expected. Innovations are endless, e.g. laptop SATA drives reaching 500GB, low power CPUs with greater abilities, fanless PSUs & CPUs, non mechanical hard drives, etc.. This platform will readily exploit these innovations cost effectively. Last edited by navin : 5th June 2009 at 17:04. | |
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5th June 2009, 17:05
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To quote the Sound of Music: So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye! | |
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5th June 2009, 17:06
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5th June 2009, 17:21
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