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Gill · 22nd October 2007, 23:01

@off topic:-How can a person with little or no knowledge judge that a particular amp is fake?? Are there few important or pointer things that one can look into,anyone can sell a fake alpine or anything at normal price,i mean so far the rock bottom prices are the main indicator for a layman that an amp might be fake!!!

Plz throw in name and prices of AMP which can pump 400W rms @ 4ohms in bridged mode or mono along with their prices.

Cheers!

vibzez · 23rd October 2007, 00:09

When I joined TBHP and went through the ICE forum, I immediately realized that the install I had in my Scorpio was terrible

. First I junked the complete ICE you see in the pictures. Then got in touch with Navinji and Low Bass Maker. Their suggestion were very valuable. Infact LBM has offered his help in installation as well

.

This thread already rocks, but I thought posting the pics of my "previous" ICE would just shift it into overdrive for a couple of hours

rocksterraghu · 23rd October 2007, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill

How can a person with little or no knowledge judge that a particular amp is fake?? Are there few important or pointer things that one can look into,anyone can sell a fake alpine or anything at normal price,i mean so far the rock bottom prices are the main indicator for a layman that an amp might be fake!!!

I would look at it this way:

1. Always do your homework. Try to see what the amplifier looks like and browse through some pages on the internet. Also, the finish of the product will tell you where it has come from.
2. Buy from reliable sources - better to avoid small-time wannabe installers.
3. Insist on bill and warranty from the original company stamped by the dealer. Make sure it is officially imported and sold.
4. Try to take someone along who knows about ICE equipment.

Cheers!

vibzez · 23rd October 2007, 08:52

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Originally Posted by rocksterraghu

vibzez, to this is one of the most weird and horrible install jobs I've seen:

You'll have to remove the enclosure, the speakers and the subs.

Please get rid of those fake Pio TS-20 tweeters, the fake amplifier and the Blues amplifier.

Thankyou Bro, The only problem I am facing is that the Scorpio does not seem to be a good car for fitments of speakers on the doors. But then LBM has so kindly agreed to help me out, so I am not concerned about it anymore.
For the components I am going to choose between JBL, Infinity, Hertz. And maybe if LBM recommends some other. For the SUB, a sealed JBL would probably be enough, cos I am looking for a tight bass, not a deep drone. And a JBL 4 channel. Anyways, would be going in for the setup soon, as and when LBM and my time schedules permit us to meetup.

DerAlte · 23rd October 2007, 10:01

OUCH! Maybe we could think of redoing the setup as the first step, and spend more only when you know what you really need.

@vibzez, what car do you have?

What you need to do is to throw out the TS20 at least, and have the other stuff repositioned and rewired in a way that the individual pieces can be put in as drop-in replacements.

The pic of the "center Bosch speakers" is bad, but still those don't look like any Blaupunkt speakers at all, and the mounting position is amusing to say the least. Still...

First, replace that monstrous box with a box suitable for the Pio subs (a decent box wouldn't cost much). LBM-bhai would be able to help with the box dimensions based on the sub model. If the car is not too big and you are not trying to cause hearing loss to the neighborhood, maybe you could sell off one of the subs to recover money for the sub box.

Based on what car you have (we don't know), you could reposition the Alpine ovals (sell 2 of them, retain 2 - wonder why the dealer fobbed off 4 on you) to a parcel shelf or the rear doors or the rear hatch.

Buy a good genuine wiring set - Scosche, Pyle etc., not 'JBL', 'Sony' or Boss. Rewire the connections from the HU to the amps (better RCA cables) and the amps to the speakers. Throw out (OK, sell) the Boss cap.

Now listen to music for some weeks and try to figure out what could be better:
* Front sound stage (obvious, but anyhow)? (Front sound stage means that the singer and the orchestra appear spread out in front of you as if they are sitting on the bonnet!)
* Vocals? Phata bans singing?
* Too little / too much bass? Boomy bass?
* Rear much louder than the front?
and so forth...

Meanwhile, listen to systems in the cars of other TBHP members near you. Based on what you infer, set a budget (no, more money does not necessarily get you stuff that is better to your ears) and replace the items one at a time. You will probably first need to fit component speakers in the front (size and position based on your car) at least, replacing the "corner" speakers and the Pio tweeters. Next would be replacing the amplifiers.

low_bass_makker · 23rd October 2007, 11:09

I think you need to allocate few things here...

Krato · 23rd October 2007, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by cancerm

Hi Sam
My friend has just got a new hyundai getz car, he would like ot go for a decent ICE set-up, his budget would be approx 25 30k, need your valuable advice on the cost of each component & the palce to install, he reside in Mumbai.

Chao

Most of your requirements in terms of ICE are taken care of in the following thread:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/ask-gu...z-iced-up.html

Please refer to the same

Sorry for interrupting you, Sam

mjd · 23rd October 2007, 14:59

Hi Gurus,

I gotta a WagonR DUO and planning for a non-flaunting, non-pricey but just quality ICE setup.

FYI - Me, a complete newbie to ICE and will require your feedback. I am notta a music freak and dont spend long hours in my car.

As many of the gurus here, professes I too prefer the JBL speakers.

HU - JVC KD-BT1 (have one !)

Front Speakers - JBL CS 2165
Rear Speakers - JBL GTO 937 or GT5?
MDF - suggestions for a quality board?
Wiring - quality brand?
Retailer/Installer@BLR - Any retailer whom I can believe for quality/genuine products and service.

Also, Can you please let me know the prices with B&W and w\o B&W in BLR.

cs2105(?) is about rs2700 and GTO 937 is around rs4700 at Metro. Need to check out at other stores.

navin · 23rd October 2007, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjd

MDF - suggestions for a quality board?
Wiring - quality brand?
Retailer/Installer@BLR - Any retailer whom I can believe for quality/genuine products and service..

MDF - any good brand will do.
RCA Wiring - Audisson, Monster Interlink, etc..
Power wiring - good ISI brand

mjd · 23rd October 2007, 15:44

any suggestive prices for the speakers + wiring?
and genuine retailers/installers in BLR?

Krato · 23rd October 2007, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjd

and genuine retailers/installers in BLR?

you can contact bluraven316 for the install...

navin · 23rd October 2007, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjd

any suggestive prices for the speakers + wiring?
and genuine retailers/installers in BLR?

speakers - 7K+ for 2 pairs
wiring - 1-1.5K per pair

Sam Kapasi · 23rd October 2007, 19:15

Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

adityamunshi · 23rd October 2007, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

I wonder why the installer didnt put a few HUs in there too.

Vid6639 · 23rd October 2007, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

Those kenwoods are very good sounding 6X9 speakers. but o my o my o my.

22nd October 2007, 23:01	#7186
Gill BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mohali Posts: 701 Thanked: 16 Times	@off topic:-How can a person with little or no knowledge judge that a particular amp is fake?? Are there few important or pointer things that one can look into,anyone can sell a fake alpine or anything at normal price,i mean so far the rock bottom prices are the main indicator for a layman that an amp might be fake!!! Plz throw in name and prices of AMP which can pump 400W rms @ 4ohms in bridged mode or mono along with their prices. Cheers! Last edited by Gill : 22nd October 2007 at 23:03.
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23rd October 2007, 00:09	#7187
vibzez BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: N. Delhi Posts: 98 Thanked: 0 Times	When I joined TBHP and went through the ICE forum, I immediately realized that the install I had in my Scorpio was terrible. First I junked the complete ICE you see in the pictures. Then got in touch with Navinji and Low Bass Maker. Their suggestion were very valuable. Infact LBM has offered his help in installation as well. This thread already rocks, but I thought posting the pics of my "previous" ICE would just shift it into overdrive for a couple of hours
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23rd October 2007, 10:01	#7190
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	OUCH! Maybe we could think of redoing the setup as the first step, and spend more only when you know what you really need. @vibzez, what car do you have? What you need to do is to throw out the TS20 at least, and have the other stuff repositioned and rewired in a way that the individual pieces can be put in as drop-in replacements. The pic of the "center Bosch speakers" is bad, but still those don't look like any Blaupunkt speakers at all, and the mounting position is amusing to say the least. Still... First, replace that monstrous box with a box suitable for the Pio subs (a decent box wouldn't cost much). LBM-bhai would be able to help with the box dimensions based on the sub model. If the car is not too big and you are not trying to cause hearing loss to the neighborhood, maybe you could sell off one of the subs to recover money for the sub box. Based on what car you have (we don't know), you could reposition the Alpine ovals (sell 2 of them, retain 2 - wonder why the dealer fobbed off 4 on you) to a parcel shelf or the rear doors or the rear hatch. Buy a good genuine wiring set - Scosche, Pyle etc., not 'JBL', 'Sony' or Boss. Rewire the connections from the HU to the amps (better RCA cables) and the amps to the speakers. Throw out (OK, sell) the Boss cap. Now listen to music for some weeks and try to figure out what could be better: * Front sound stage (obvious, but anyhow)? (Front sound stage means that the singer and the orchestra appear spread out in front of you as if they are sitting on the bonnet!) * Vocals? Phata bans singing? * Too little / too much bass? Boomy bass? * Rear much louder than the front? and so forth... Meanwhile, listen to systems in the cars of other TBHP members near you. Based on what you infer, set a budget (no, more money does not necessarily get you stuff that is better to your ears) and replace the items one at a time. You will probably first need to fit component speakers in the front (size and position based on your car) at least, replacing the "corner" speakers and the Pio tweeters. Next would be replacing the amplifiers.
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23rd October 2007, 11:09	#7191
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	I think you need to allocate few things here...
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23rd October 2007, 14:59	#7193
mjd Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 4 Thanked: Once	Need ur help for my WagonR ICE Hi Gurus, I gotta a WagonR DUO and planning for a non-flaunting, non-pricey but just quality ICE setup. FYI - Me, a complete newbie to ICE and will require your feedback. I am notta a music freak and dont spend long hours in my car. As many of the gurus here, professes I too prefer the JBL speakers. HU - JVC KD-BT1 (have one !) Front Speakers - JBL CS 2165 Rear Speakers - JBL GTO 937 or GT5? MDF - suggestions for a quality board? Wiring - quality brand? Retailer/Installer@BLR - Any retailer whom I can believe for quality/genuine products and service. Also, Can you please let me know the prices with B&W and w\o B&W in BLR. cs2105(?) is about rs2700 and GTO 937 is around rs4700 at Metro. Need to check out at other stores.
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23rd October 2007, 15:44	#7195
mjd Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 4 Thanked: Once	any suggestive prices for the speakers + wiring? and genuine retailers/installers in BLR?
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23rd October 2007, 19:15	#7198
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
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