The Palio ICE Thread

PankajP · 19th June 2008, 11:54

Hey all,

I have following basic ICE setup in my Palio Stile 1.6

HU : Blaupunkt Kingston MP47
Front : JBL GT650C Components
Back : JBL 502 Coaxials

The sound quality is really crisp and clear.

I am planning to add Amp and Sub in the future.

One question I have is can I add Amp & Sub to this existing setup or I have to upgrade my speakers as well?

Cheers
Pankaj

praveen_v · 19th June 2008, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by PankajP

Hey all,

I have following basic ICE setup in my Palio Stile 1.6

HU : Blaupunkt Kingston MP47
Front : JBL GT650C Components
Back : JBL 502 Coaxials

The sound quality is really crisp and clear.

I am planning to add Amp and Sub in the future.

One question I have is can I add Amp & Sub to this existing setup or I have to upgrade my speakers as well?

Good setup you have there. Adding an amp and sub will really make it better. You need not change the speakers if you are happy with it. How are you planning to do it??
1. Add a 4-channel amp for the existing speakers and a separate mono amp for the sub.
2. Add a 4-channel amp, run the front components and the sub from the amp and the rear speaker from HU.
3. Add a 2-channel amp and power the sub from it while having the rest of the setup same.

What is your Budget?? The choice depends on it!!

PankajP · 19th June 2008, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by praveen_v

Good setup you have there. Adding an amp and sub will really make it better. You need not change the speakers if you are happy with it. How are you planning to do it??
1. Add a 4-channel amp for the existing speakers and a separate mono amp for the sub.
2. Add a 4-channel amp, run the front components and the sub from the amp and the rear speaker from HU.
3. Add a 2-channel amp and power the sub from it while having the rest of the setup same.

What is your Budget?? The choice depends on it!!

Hi Praveen..Thanks

Well I will be going with Option 2 in your list i.e 4 channel amp, run the front components and Sub from Amp and rear speakers from HU.

What are the options for about 10k budget ?

As per Blaunpunkt Mp47 manual, it has

4-Channel preamp out to control external amplifiers (front/rear) and
Sub-out for subwoofer control (variable gain/frequency)

What is this 'Sub-out for subwoofer control ' ?

Cheers

DerAlte · 19th June 2008, 16:50

Sub-Out output is meant to be connected to the amp driving the sub-woofer. The HU allows loudness and the cut-off frequency to be set for the signal that will be sent out over Sub-Out.

viper_711 · 10th July 2008, 21:31

After much deliberation, a five year old wish has been fulfilled today cheers:.
I've booked a palio 1.6 - in magnesium grey with Manipal Motors today. Delivery has been promised on 16th July Friday.

I need help to put together an ICE setup. Budget strictly not over 15K.
I am not much into heavy bass. Good clear sound with bass that doesn't seem to be straining the speakers is the need of the day. iPod and USB connectivity are desired. I'm not too sure how the bluetooth compatible systems work - but could consider this feature.
The Palio comes with factory wiring for 6 speakers. This should be adequate - I do not want a sub-woofer as the boot space is definitely going to be used frequently.
Gurus and experienced BHPians please help put together a solution.
p.s. I'm slightly biased to Pioneer as I am very familiar with the options and menus.

RedMM340 · 10th July 2008, 22:47

Hi Viper,

Congrats on the new car. The Palio 1.6 is a great car. I have had mine for about a month and really enjoy it. You can read about my upgrades on my post of the used 2002 GTX.

I am running the Michelin Pilot Preceda and they are awesome! They are really sticky and really improve the vehicle handling.

I went with a Sony head unit since I had one lying around. But if I had to buy one I would have gone with a Blaupunkt unit since they directly plug into the wiring harness of the Palio with no adapter harness needed. Like you, I did not install a subwoofer or amp due to the limited cargo volume and to prevent headaches. I installed 4 JBL 5.25 inch speakers which have good sound quality.

gemithomas · 11th July 2008, 08:57

congrats. im sure you are going to enjoy every second with your car.

GO for JBL speakers. They are very good and sound clarity with aequate bass levels.

navin · 11th July 2008, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by viper_711

I've booked a palio 1.6 Budget strictly not over 15K.
I am not much into heavy bass.I do not want a sub-woofer as the boot space is definitely going to be used frequently. I'm slightly biased to Pioneer

Pioneer 5xxx HU with USB 6K
JBL GT5/Blaupunkt THc etc... components: 6K
same as above coax for rear: 3K

However without a sub you mgiht want to consider a MDF tray and 6x9s. This will oocupy a bit of the rear trunck but wiill definitely up the bass. The stock locations in a Palio (without mods) wont allow for a speaker large enough to produce bass. Havind said that I have heard a Palio with a modded front door panel for a 8" component. No sub was required for the bass but an amplifier was.

zaks · 11th July 2008, 19:37

Hi Guys,
I bought my Palio(black) MJD SDX a month back and now would like to ICE it up

.
As a first step, a month back I got the Alpine-9886 from the US.
Now for the speakers, I am considering front components from Inifnity/Hertz/JBL and for rear Inifinity/Hertz/JBL co-axials. (subs and amps come as next upgrade, if needed)
I am not sure of the sizes for the speakers in the Palio MJD. (Do I measure the speaker locations diagonally?)
Now a couple of questions-
1. Where can I audition the above brands? and any idea of their cost as my budget for the speakers including good wiring and installation is around 12-15K (with b/w).
2. Would the Alpine HU cause any trouble with the Palio's wiring harness and hence warranty?

Have heard some setups which are so bass dominant that I hardly hear any music other than dhum...dhum, you know what I mean.
I would like a good SQ over SL. A big bass which will drown out the other parts of the spectrum is a no-no.

throw some gyan please

DerAlte · 11th July 2008, 20:04

Good plan, good HU!

1. Ask the showroom accessory guys to be sure of the speaker size. The other Palio models (and we expect this one to be the same) have 5.25" in front doors, which can accommodate 6.5" with spacers. Rear I am not sure, but it maybe 4" (according to @hydrashok) which can take 5.25" with spacers
2. The most easily accessible place to audition JBL & Infinity is Sound Factor on Lavelle Road (near the Vittal Mallya Circle). Hertz: not sure, you need to ask around. Sprocket Koramangala carries them, but they don't audition.
3. The HU purchased in US may not have International warranty (check) so it wouldn't matter. Ask the installer to use a harness adapter for Palio - make sure they don't cut and join cables with tape - stand there to supervize if you have to!

If one puts in 6x9's and subs and does not tune the system properly, that's what you get. Read up the ICE section, with a little effort even you can tune your system properly.

zaks · 13th July 2008, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Good plan, good HU!

1. Ask the showroom accessory guys to be sure of the speaker size. The other Palio models (and we expect this one to be the same) have 5.25" in front doors, which can accommodate 6.5" with spacers. Rear I am not sure, but it maybe 4" (according to @hydrashok) which can take 5.25" with spacers
2. The most easily accessible place to audition JBL & Infinity is Sound Factor on Lavelle Road (near the Vittal Mallya Circle). Hertz: not sure, you need to ask around. Sprocket Koramangala carries them, but they don't audition.
3. The HU purchased in US may not have International warranty (check) so it wouldn't matter. Ask the installer to use a harness adapter for Palio - make sure they don't cut and join cables with tape - stand there to supervize if you have to!

If one puts in 6x9's and subs and does not tune the system properly, that's what you get. Read up the ICE section, with a little effort even you can tune your system properly.

Thanks @DerAlte, but I was talking about the warranty of Palio not HU(of course no international warranty).
Who in bangy deals with illusion?
I would like to know if any bhpians having above installs are free to give some audition of their stuff

.

DerAlte · 13th July 2008, 16:37

No, doubt if the vehicle warranty would be void if an appropriate harness adapter is used, but please do check the warranty clauses for anything suspicious.

ittiam · 14th July 2008, 12:02

OK guys, here is finally what I did,

Pio 6050 - 8750/-
polk 5251 comp - 6000/-
polk db 691 - 5000/-
MDF - 750/-

(off the topic, MGT remote central lock)
Rounded off to 23k.

I'm loving it. Initially the rear o/p was more and not sustainable for rear passengers. I did some fader adjustments and things are fine. The speakers are crystal clear and have tight bass. Head unit drives them decently. This quality comment is before run-in time. (FYI - polks have long run-in time - 200hrs)

All in all, I'm very happy about the setup.

There is wiring issue in left front door. Installer has put up an external wire. Need to get the original wiring rectified (first service).

Cheers.

p.s. installer Overhaull Banashankari

viper_711 · 14th July 2008, 22:52

Guys, this what I've planned with rates:
Pioneer 5090 6000/- w/o B/W
JBL GT-650C components 4000/-
JBL GTO 937 - 6X9 Co-ax 2400/-
MDF box type plank 850/-

Do these rates look ok?
On the JBL website i saw another pair of 6X9 - T696. Does anyone have any experience with these in terms of performance and cost?

I may go for a basic amp later. A sub is definitely ruled out - not my style.

Feedback & comments welcome. Car is supposed to be delivered on friday and ICEing it on sat or sun.

zaks · 15th July 2008, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ittiam

OK guys, here is finally what I did,

Pio 6050 - 8750/-
polk 5251 comp - 6000/-
polk db 691 - 5000/-
MDF - 750/-

(off the topic, MGT remote central lock)
Rounded off to 23k.

I'm loving it. Initially the rear o/p was more and not sustainable for rear passengers. I did some fader adjustments and things are fine. The speakers are crystal clear and have tight bass. Head unit drives them decently. This quality comment is before run-in time. (FYI - polks have long run-in time - 200hrs)

All in all, I'm very happy about the setup.

There is wiring issue in left front door. Installer has put up an external wire. Need to get the original wiring rectified (first service).

Cheers.

p.s. installer Overhaull Banashankari

Congrats on the install, and how is the installation by overhaul? did you buy the components from him?

19th June 2008, 11:54	#106
PankajP BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 67 Thanked: 0 Times	ICE in Palio Stile 1.6 Hey all, I have following basic ICE setup in my Palio Stile 1.6 HU : Blaupunkt Kingston MP47 Front : JBL GT650C Components Back : JBL 502 Coaxials The sound quality is really crisp and clear. I am planning to add Amp and Sub in the future. One question I have is can I add Amp & Sub to this existing setup or I have to upgrade my speakers as well? Cheers Pankaj
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19th June 2008, 16:50	#109
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	Sub-Out output is meant to be connected to the amp driving the sub-woofer. The HU allows loudness and the cut-off frequency to be set for the signal that will be sent out over Sub-Out.
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10th July 2008, 21:31	#110
viper_711 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 366 Thanked: 93 Times View My Garage	The Palio ICE Thread After much deliberation, a five year old wish has been fulfilled today cheers:. I've booked a palio 1.6 - in magnesium grey with Manipal Motors today. Delivery has been promised on 16th July Friday. I need help to put together an ICE setup. Budget strictly not over 15K. I am not much into heavy bass. Good clear sound with bass that doesn't seem to be straining the speakers is the need of the day. iPod and USB connectivity are desired. I'm not too sure how the bluetooth compatible systems work - but could consider this feature. The Palio comes with factory wiring for 6 speakers. This should be adequate - I do not want a sub-woofer as the boot space is definitely going to be used frequently. Gurus and experienced BHPians please help put together a solution. p.s. I'm slightly biased to Pioneer as I am very familiar with the options and menus. Last edited by Technocrat : 11th July 2008 at 09:05. Reason: Removed Non Ice portion
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10th July 2008, 22:47	#111
RedMM340 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the move Posts: 457 Thanked: 34 Times	Hi Viper, Congrats on the new car. The Palio 1.6 is a great car. I have had mine for about a month and really enjoy it. You can read about my upgrades on my post of the used 2002 GTX. I am running the Michelin Pilot Preceda and they are awesome! They are really sticky and really improve the vehicle handling. I went with a Sony head unit since I had one lying around. But if I had to buy one I would have gone with a Blaupunkt unit since they directly plug into the wiring harness of the Palio with no adapter harness needed. Like you, I did not install a subwoofer or amp due to the limited cargo volume and to prevent headaches. I installed 4 JBL 5.25 inch speakers which have good sound quality.
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11th July 2008, 08:57	#112
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	congrats. im sure you are going to enjoy every second with your car. GO for JBL speakers. They are very good and sound clarity with aequate bass levels.
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11th July 2008, 19:37	#114
zaks BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 952 Thanked: 181 Times View My Garage	Hi Guys, I bought my Palio(black) MJD SDX a month back and now would like to ICE it up . As a first step, a month back I got the Alpine-9886 from the US. Now for the speakers, I am considering front components from Inifnity/Hertz/JBL and for rear Inifinity/Hertz/JBL co-axials. (subs and amps come as next upgrade, if needed) I am not sure of the sizes for the speakers in the Palio MJD. (Do I measure the speaker locations diagonally?) Now a couple of questions- 1. Where can I audition the above brands? and any idea of their cost as my budget for the speakers including good wiring and installation is around 12-15K (with b/w). 2. Would the Alpine HU cause any trouble with the Palio's wiring harness and hence warranty? Have heard some setups which are so bass dominant that I hardly hear any music other than dhum...dhum, you know what I mean. I would like a good SQ over SL. A big bass which will drown out the other parts of the spectrum is a no-no. throw some gyan please
	() Thanks

11th July 2008, 20:04	#115
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	Good plan, good HU! 1. Ask the showroom accessory guys to be sure of the speaker size. The other Palio models (and we expect this one to be the same) have 5.25" in front doors, which can accommodate 6.5" with spacers. Rear I am not sure, but it maybe 4" (according to @hydrashok) which can take 5.25" with spacers 2. The most easily accessible place to audition JBL & Infinity is Sound Factor on Lavelle Road (near the Vittal Mallya Circle). Hertz: not sure, you need to ask around. Sprocket Koramangala carries them, but they don't audition. 3. The HU purchased in US may not have International warranty (check) so it wouldn't matter. Ask the installer to use a harness adapter for Palio - make sure they don't cut and join cables with tape - stand there to supervize if you have to! If one puts in 6x9's and subs and does not tune the system properly, that's what you get. Read up the ICE section, with a little effort even you can tune your system properly.
	() Thanks

13th July 2008, 16:37	#117
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,069 Thanked: 2,919 Times	No, doubt if the vehicle warranty would be void if an appropriate harness adapter is used, but please do check the warranty clauses for anything suspicious.
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14th July 2008, 12:02	#118
ittiam Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20 Thanked: 0 Times	OK guys, here is finally what I did, Pio 6050 - 8750/- polk 5251 comp - 6000/- polk db 691 - 5000/- MDF - 750/- (off the topic, MGT remote central lock) Rounded off to 23k. I'm loving it. Initially the rear o/p was more and not sustainable for rear passengers. I did some fader adjustments and things are fine. The speakers are crystal clear and have tight bass. Head unit drives them decently. This quality comment is before run-in time. (FYI - polks have long run-in time - 200hrs) All in all, I'm very happy about the setup. There is wiring issue in left front door. Installer has put up an external wire. Need to get the original wiring rectified (first service). Cheers. p.s. installer Overhaull Banashankari
	() Thanks

14th July 2008, 22:52	#119
viper_711 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 366 Thanked: 93 Times View My Garage	Guys, this what I've planned with rates: Pioneer 5090 6000/- w/o B/W JBL GT-650C components 4000/- JBL GTO 937 - 6X9 Co-ax 2400/- MDF box type plank 850/- Do these rates look ok? On the JBL website i saw another pair of 6X9 - T696. Does anyone have any experience with these in terms of performance and cost? I may go for a basic amp later. A sub is definitely ruled out - not my style. Feedback & comments welcome. Car is supposed to be delivered on friday and ICEing it on sat or sun.
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