[gvarma9989]

Originally Posted by dragracer567

It's not inconceivable that by 2028, the charging networks in the US and Europe will rival petrol stations with charge times below 15 minutes.

Imagine never stopping at a fuel station again?
Convenience of charging an EV (Electric Vehicle) at home is unbeatable.
I wake up with 300 Miles (420 Kilometers) of charge every morning.

I hardly charge outside my home.

On highways, it is a different ball game.
A 20-30 minutes charge break every 3 hours helps with both food and bio needs.

We have technology in place (2021), supply chains and infrastructure has to catch up for more EV sales.

There will be rapid transition in the next 5 years.

[_chikku]

ABB debuts 360 kW rapid EV charger, the world’s fastest

https://electricalreview.co.uk/2021/...orlds-fastest/

Like its name suggests, the Terra 360 is capable of charging an electric vehicle at 360 kW, which makes it the fastest EV charger currently available on the market. That’s because at those speeds drivers could add 100km of range in just three minutes.

Despite offering maximum charging speeds of 360 kW, no car is capable of receiving those speeds. That’s not really the idea behind the Terra 360, however, with the modular charger actually designed to offer up to four cars a share of its charging speeds.

So, what does that mean? Well, it means that if four cars are plugged into the charger, the maximum output of the Terra 360 will drop to just 90 kW. That’s enough to give vehicles a boost of around 210 miles per hour, but it’s significantly less than the 100km of range in just three minutes.

I also see ABB’s Vehicle-to-Grid technology is coming soon. This opens up lot of options for EV, if it is sitting idle.
https://new.abb.com/ev-charging/abb-...rid-technology

[Axe77]

Niti Aayog releases handbook for EV charging infra implementation

https://www.niti.gov.in/sites/defaul...tion081221.pdf

I have been looking for some reading material to get a bird’s eye view understanding of all things relating to EV charging infra. Came across this handbook that might be useful if someone wants to get some basic consolidated info in one place. I was looking in the context of apartment complexes getting EV enabled.

[volkman10]

Electric cars to be more expensive, the reason is nickel as WAR rages in Ukraine.

The automotive industry is facing another blow due to the war in Ukraine, as nickel prices are soaring.

the steep rise in nickel prices, the London Metal Exchange yesterday even proceeded to suspend trading after prices doubled and a ton traded at more than $100,000. This was quite an unusual move on the part of the stock exchange

The skyrocketing price of nickel will have repercussions for many industries, but it will make it difficult for automakers to produce electric vehicles, as they are one of the essential components of lithium-ion batteries.

Some experts have pointed out problems with nickel supply in the past, when there were warnings that global demand will outperform supply in 2024. However, thanks to the outbreak of conflict, the situation took a faster turn.

In the field of batteries and their technologies, there are alternatives, such as lithium iron phosphate accumulators, that can do without nickel. However, these batteries also have their minuses, such as lower energy density.

If the situation leads to an increase in the price of electric cars, then the whole transition of customers from cars with internal combustion engines to electromobility is likely to slow down.


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[pram_ind]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Electric cars to be more expensive, the reason is nickel as WAR rages in Ukraine.


If the situation leads to an increase in the price of electric cars, then the whole transition of customers from cars with internal combustion engines to electromobility is likely to slow down.

On the other hand the fuel prices are also gonna go up.

As both chinese, Indian and now Tesla are using LFP batteries, it should not effect the prices.

[volkman10]

Electric Vehicle investment trickle in, don't expect it to go mainstream( 5-10%) before 2025.

As per a recent study, EVs currently account for less than 1% of total vehicle sales in India but the market is growing rapidly.
The company expects the Indian e-mobility market to be worth around at least ₹47,500 crore by 2025. Two-wheelers account for the largest share of this market at 62%, followed by three-wheelers at 37%

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[JReacher13]

And my skepticism with EVs continue..

https://twitter.com/thebenbergman/st...FVz36W3XQ&s=19

[GutsyGibbon]

Originally Posted by JReacher13

And my skepticism with EVs continue..

He is already saying its a rare time. I dont know where this is, but there are superchargers every 30 miles in Southern California, and you can navigate to one where there are more than 5 free/available chargers.

There are cases of construction workers damaging charging equipment, vandalism, and genuine tech breakdowns - that drastically affects the rate of charge, leading to longer charge durations, which in turn increase wait times. I have had to do this once in the last 4 years, when 4 of the 8 chargers were broken, and the nearest charger was 42 miles away. I had 60 miles range left, and I didn't want to take chances in the Arizona desert.

One can also point out the queues for gas, that are miles long while hurricanes are approaching, and such. At that time I could very well be charging my car at home, watching these ICE cars wait in the line on weather channel. In the last 4 years, I have always had a car that was topped off with the fill 310 mile range in my garage - imagine the time saved in driving to the gas station hundreds of times over this entire time.

[volkman10]

LG Energy Faces U.S. Scrutiny for Electric-Car Battery Fires.

The probe covers an estimated 138,324 vehicles that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said are at risk of catching fire when parked or in use

The regulator which can deem cars defective and order recalls said it launched its probe after receiving complaints about cars made by Stellantis NV, Volkswagen AG, General Motors Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and Mercedes-Benz Group AG.

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[volkman10]

Automakers Should Reconsider Electric-Only Strategy : BMW CEO Warns

Zipse warned that the industry needs to be careful not to increase reliance on a few countries, citing the supply of raw materials and batteries is overly dependent on China

BMW’s chief executive officer, said companies need not be too reliant on a few select countries by focusing on EVs and that there’s still a market out there for ICEs.

Electric vehicles might be the future, but the auto industry needs to do a lot to ensure a smooth transition. Industry stakeholders feel there’s still a lot of leg work needed to improve infrastructure, policy, and availability of raw materials for production.

There’s a lot to consider for consumers, including their driving habits, residence, and the type of vehicle they are looking to get. Hybrid cars offer a better transition into going fully electric for the more informed consumer

also felt that producing more fuel-efficient vehicles is a better proposition for profit and decreased emissions. He pointed out the main issues affecting the transition, including the cost of buying an EV and gaps in charging infrastructure.

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[volkman10]

As EV business soars in China, it faces see the most number of Fires seen in EV's.

- In China, 640 EVs caught fire in the first quarter of 2022, up 32 percent

- EV manufacturers has yet to get a handle on the issue of battery catching fire. It is barely summer in China, the biggest EV market in the world.

-Fire and Rescue Department of the Ministry Emergency Management’s data released on 3-April-2022, that means that there are seven EVs catching fire per day.

- There are four main types of fire accidents; catching fire while charging, catching fire while driving, catching fire while parked, or catching fire after a collision.

If you think that the fire incidents are limited to only cars from Chinese brands, a number of Teslas had also fell victim to battery fires. The models that reportedly caught fire are the Model 3 and Model S.

Out of 86 reported fire accidents, Chinese brand BYD has the most reported fires. But it is hardly surprising as BYD is the largest EV manufacturer in China.

The latest BYD vehicle that caught fire occurred in October 2021, it was a BYD Han that was seen emitting white smoke on the side of the Shenzhen Shuiguan Expressway. The last Tesla fire also reportedly occurred in October 2021 where a Model S spontaneously caught fire while it was parked.

Out of 86 reported incidents only 7 incidents were due to unknown causes while 31 occurred while the car was parked, 22 occurred during charging, 20 occurred when the car was still on the move, and six occurred after a collision.

A further report by the Beijing Institute of Technology also revealed that 38.5 percent of the incidents occurred while in a static state and 27.5 percent of incidents occurred while the EV was charging.

About 66 percent of fire incidents happen in hot months while 34 percent occurred during cold months. Fire occurrences during the winter months is largely due to charging.

Regardless, the increasing number of EV fires can also be looked at from a positive point of view. The increase in EV fires is proportionate to the increase in EV ownership in China.

In February 2022, EV sales data shows that BYD sold close to 89,000 EVs, that is a year-on-year increase of 749.04 percent. Note that the data only shows for one brand, if you were to take into account other EV brands in China, the number of EVs sold will be in the 200,000s.





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[shortbread]

Do Electric Cars Catch Fire More Than Gas-Powered Vehicles?

- Hybrid vehicles: 3,474 fires per 100K sales
- Gas vehicles: 1,529 fires per 100K sales
- Electric vehicles: 25 fires per 100K sales

From insurance experts AutoinsuranceEZ.com using data collected and analyzed from sources including the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), and government recall data from Recalls.gov

Millions of vehicles from a variety of manufacturers are currently under recall for risk of catching fire, which can cause property damage and tragic loss of life. The most newsworthy recalls of late are electric vehicles, specifically some Tesla, Chevy, and Hyundai car models. Between past recalls, ongoing recalls, and future recalls sure to come, you may be concerned that your own car might burst into flames at any moment.

A recent study from insurance experts AutoinsuranceEZ.com might have some answers. Researchers posed the question, “Are electric vehicles more prone to car fires than gas or hybrid vehicles?” Using data collected and analyzed from sources including the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), and government recall data from Recalls.gov, researchers broke down incidents of car fires by vehicle and fuel type.

After crunching car fire statistics and sales data, the authors of the study found that hybrids actually have more fires per 100K sales, with:

Hybrid vehicles: 3,474 fires per 100K sales
Gas vehicles: 1,529 fires per 100K sales
Electric vehicles: 25 fires per 100K sales
Although electric vehicles (EVs) may not catch fire as often as other vehicles, when they do catch fire, they can be extremely difficult to extinguish and cause much more damage. This has to do with the battery, which we’ll talk about more in a moment.

As you’ll see below, when hybrid and EVs are recalled for fire risks, battery issues are almost always the cause. Using data from 2020, researchers compared fire risk recalls for all three types of vehicles (gas, hybrid, and electric). Fire risk recalls for gas vehicles, on the other hand, cited issues like electrical shorts, fuel leaks, or braking systems – but not batteries.

https://ndakotalaw.com/do-electric-c...ered-vehicles/

[shortbread]

China electric vehicle sales surged 154% in 2021!

While China's auto sales has been stagnating in the recent past, overall sales in the world's biggest car market rose 3.8% year-on-year for the first time since 2017. Driving this has been pure electric vehicle sales which has skyrocketed 154% last year.

Electric vehicle (EV) makers sold a total of 3.3 million units in China in 2021, up from 1.3 million in 2020, and 1.2 million in 2019. EV sales worldwide increased 69% in the first 11 months of the year, with China outpacing global growth.

https://fortune.com/2022/01/07/china...uto-xpeng-nio/

https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia...CAAM)%20showed.

[SKC-auto]

So between 2020-2022(2 years 3 months) there were 86 incidents of EV car fires. And 640 fires of EVs in the first 3 months of 2022, which I guess includes all those cheap scooters, which are also a concern in India.

It's a case of poorly designed batteries than the EV tech itself, if you use cheap materials for wiring your house will certainly burn, not a problem of electricity or grid.

[volkman10]

Electric cars shouldn’t be silent :Government

As per government, electric cars should produce some kind of sound either natural or artificial to alert people nearby

Electric cars will soon need to produce some kind of sound either by natural or artificial means for alerting pedestrians and people nearby according to a new set of norms proposed by the Central government’s Automotive Industry Standards Committee (AISC)

The norms are applicable to both passenger cars as well as goods carriers. These latest draft standards might soon be inducted into the Central Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989, by its Technical Standing Committee.

Once these standards are implemented, EV manufacturers are expected to introduce helical gear pair primary transmissions in their offerings to produce a whining note

But, at the end of the day, sound energy in any form comes at the expense of something else, read battery charge.


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