[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by acurafan

... but if there is one company that still promotes open sky research then it is Microsoft. ...

And one has to appreciate that? Perhaps you don't know about Xerox and others doing practical work for the last 40 years then. Not 'head in the clouds'! Different matter that MS has more money - doesn't mean they have done something one can appreciate as innovative. And I am not an MS-basher!!!

Originally Posted by acurafan

... Kinect ... Internet Set-top box ... I would even consider WP7/8 ...

You have no idea of history, other than MS's version, do you?

Originally Posted by acurafan

... Also I feel that OS that actually run on millions of devices with different combination of hardware is not a simple task. Try to install OSX on Hackintosh than you will realise how hard is that. ...

1. x86 processor architecture always - didn't ever need a different compiler
2. What you think is 'different combination' is actually the 'bus' concept used in hardware, with drivers written by others (nothing by MS barring the first few standard devices)
3. Hardware add-ons via USB PnP? That was never MS ingenuity
As @sbala said, recompiling / porting to a different processor is not innovation. No one discredits for what MS has made (it has it's own respect), but crediting MS blindly!?!?!?

OS X on non-Apple x86? Look around. But why? To save some money at the expense of elegant hardware and better service?

Originally Posted by acurafan

... app store concept started when people hacked iPhone to install programs.

App Store came *before*, not after hacking and 'jail-breaking'. Conscious decision by Apple - prevent App induced equipment functionality failure by testing & removing it before User gets the App. Wrong decision? IMHO, no, they were right - in the interest of 99.9999% of Users. The balance were naughty 'hackers' and 'freedom from constraints' seekers.

App Store? Can you otherwise get legal software, without installation hassles, in just as much as time it takes to download, and virus free, and free periodic unattended updates (without asking stupid questions to the user)? And, we should complain about something? Even MS is trying to go in that direction - late in the game.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by sbala

Just read what industry experts are saying. You will understand what i am pointing out. At the moment, Surface RT is just for early adopters and developers.

Who are industry experts and how do they know better than people here?

Sorry, I am a little skeptical about industry experts these days since most of them sound like journalists than techies. Also, I tend to disagree with them often.

[acurafan]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

You have no idea of history, other than MS's version, do you?

OT: But I will be really interested in the history having directly worked on Project Natal i.e Kinect and still working quite closely on Xbox next gen.

Originally Posted by DerAlte

but if there is one company that still promotes open sky research then it is Microsoft

Operative word is "Still". I wonder what happened to Xerox PARC, Bell Labs or even HP labs !!

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by acurafan

... interested in the history having directly worked on Project Natal i.e Kinect and still working quite closely on Xbox next gen. ...

God bless you - you have different understanding of the word 'history'!

Originally Posted by acurafan

Operative word is "Still". ...

They didn't associate Marketing with Research. I am sure you are not exposed to that aspect.

Anyhow, we are seriously OT, and it is not worth discussing MS + / - here. Wrong thread.

[sbala]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Who are industry experts and how do they know better than people here?

Sorry, I am a little skeptical about industry experts these days since most of them sound like journalists than techies. Also, I tend to disagree with them often.

Do you think I posted here after seeing those kind of gadget review shows?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by sbala

Do you think I posted here after seeing those kind of gadget review shows?

I don't know, that is why I asked who the industry experts you had in mind. For example, I know DerAlte and acurafan are themselves industry experts.

[sbala]

Originally Posted by Samurai

I don't know, that is why I asked who the industry experts you had in mind. For example, I know DerAlte and acurafan are themselves industry experts.

Acurafan posted his views and i posted mine. That's it. To me, Surface RT is not there yet as Windows 8 RT is in very early stages. As a consumer, why would I buy an item which has half amount of restrictions and limitations. Surface RT is just form early adopters.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by sbala

Acurafan posted his views and i posted mine. That's it.

That's perfect, so why do you need to drag in other industry experts?

[chevelle]

Originally Posted by hiren959

Which one to go for??
Galaxy tab 2 or Nexus 7
Tab 2 is having SD card slot and camera while Nexus 7 is more powerful, screen quality is good but no sim and sd card and even no camera.

Your question got lost among the hot discussion that happened recently.

I would say Nexus 7. Let me explain why!

I was in same situation as you. Both very appealing products. I list few advantage of Nexus 7 below and the reason i went for it. Day to day use, i love Nexus 7.

- Better Screen Resolution, more ppi and love the display. Very useful for media.
- Faster Processor. Easily supports JB's faster frame rates. No hiccups.
- Has proper stereo speakers. Tab 2 has worse speakers imo.
- Has Gyroscope.
- Better Battery life.
- Gets first OS updates. Great XDA Community support.
- I am heavy cloud user so i don't miss memory slot.
- DLNA, my TV has one.
- Has NFC. I have NFC Tags and have a NFC Enabled phone. Very useful to transfer data on the fly. You can read about my NFC tags review elsewhere in the forum.
- Quality of tablet. Love the way it feels in my hands and that i can hold it w/o worrying of dropping it.
- I have 32gb with wifi and hspa+. Unlocked so can use any data plan anywhere in world.
- I would never use rear camera on a tablet to click pictures. Would look so dorky.
- Finally the VFM of Nexus. At $300 for 32gb HSPA+ tablet, its hard to go wrong.

I do miss expandable storage sometimes but cloud has me covered there. Apart from that i don't miss Tab 2 much.
Hope this helps

[Vid6639]

Just got a Nexus 7 this week and am absolutely loving it. Stock Android without the addons like Touchwiz is awesome.

My Galaxy S3 has some useful features as part of Touchwiz like battery % on task bar, smart stay and other small stuff but Stock JB 4.2.1 just feels so simple and easy.

Basically I wanted a tablet to be online from home rather than drain out the phone or opening the laptop for checking e-mails and browsing.

[sbala]

Originally Posted by Samurai

That's perfect, so why do you need to drag in other industry experts?

I am not sure what is your intention here :-)

[hiren959]

Thanks @chevelle

Now it is very clear that Nexus 7 is far better than Tab 2 and we can use its front cam by any of good camera app., it can record 720p video also. It is availabe 16GB version for USD199 in USA, its real VFM if we can source from there.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by sbala

I am not sure what is your intention here :-)

In that case, it is a moot point. Case closed.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by chevelle

I would say Nexus 7. Let me explain why!

- I have 32gb with wifi and hspa+. Unlocked so can use any data plan anywhere in world.

Hope this helps

Can you make calls using the Nexus 7. Not an important feature but I suppose it can come in handy sometimes.

And how is the OTG support on it? Have you tried connecting a usb hub to it and attach multiple devices?
I have seen the Tab2 support multiple devices and large hard disks via OTG.

[chennai-indian]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

Can you make calls using the Nexus 7. Not an important feature but I suppose it can come in handy sometimes.

And how is the OTG support on it? Have you tried connecting a usb hub to it and attach multiple devices?
I have seen the Tab2 support multiple devices and large hard disks via OTG.

You cannot make calls from Nexus 7. You can connect hard disks to Nexus 7 - at least that is what I have read online. Not sure though.