Re: The Premier 118 NE thread Dear all - HaHaHa, even within my tight schedule, I think these queries merit a reply. I have to give you complete details of the solution to the problem of "hot weather percolation" for you to understand and appreciate the "Vapour Separator" syndrome. So, here goes.
The car was introduced in January 1987 in the market. During those days, the parts were all imported from NISSAN Japan. The origional carburettor was HITACHI. It did not have any fuel return system. It had a cylinder block mounted mechanical fuel pump, a metallic fuel line passing just behind the engine fan with two small flexible pipes at the pump outlet and carburettor ends. We had introduced a fuel filter supplied by NISSAN just before the mechanical fuel pump. The fuel pipes were 6 mm in diameter. With this system, the car had tremendous fuel feed issues due to a phenomenon called "percolation" which prevented fuel from reaching the carburettor as the fuel would turn to vapour in the fuel lines / filter / pump. I was told to solve this problem in April 1988. I solved it on 12 May 1988. During those days, 118NEs used to take upto 5 hours to go from Khopoli to Lonavla, a distance of 7 kms due to persistent stalling. On 12 May 1988, I covered these 7 kms in 6 minutes, the car went up the slopes like a bomb. There used to be "self styled mechanics" standing on the ghat road who used to make a quick buck from people whose 118NEs used to stall. They knew my brown test car MGQ8174 which was the only 118NE in those days which did not stall on the ghat. They used to ask me for the solution. The solution was to provide optimized and correctly oriented fuel return system alongwith a full time operational electronic fuel pump, delivering 980 cc per minute. Therefore, I had to shift the rear portion of the exhaust system from the RH side to the LH side so that I could mount the electronic fuel pump in the underfloor area. Therefore, in later models of 118NEs, you see two relief curves in the rear panel in front of the rear bumper. The RH cut was used for diesel cars and the LH cut was used for petrol cars. The fuel pipe goes from the fuel tank to a fuel filter mounted underfloor instead of in the engine compartment, the electronic fuel pump is mounted at 15 degrees angle in the rear floor area. Tnstead of the return tee at the carburettor, you can use the vapour separator but it is not absolutely essential. The vapour separator is nothing but a tee connection with 20 cc of volume built into it with a small ball valve used as a non-return valve. It was suggested by Pierburg in February 1989 and it was given to me for testing. I was told to test it with the mechanical fuel pump. I informed that it will not work for which I was fired. Finally, I went for the test, stalled the car and came back. My explanation was simple - "Sir, vapour separator will work if there is vapour in the fuel. THat means that there should be some liquid fuel from which you separate vapour. If there is only 100% vapour, what will you separate"? Nobody listened to me. Therefore HaHaha.
IF ANYTHING IS CHANGED IN THIS SYSTEM, THE CAR WILL NOT WORK. After I left PAL in 1994 and joined M&M, during 1996, Peugeot engineers who were handling the 118NE at that time thought of eliminating somethings. I remember that I went to Kalyan plant one day and told them that "if you remove this connection, the car will stop at the second curve / if you change this dimension, the fuel temperature inside the carburettor will increase by these many degrees centigrade". They were amazed and promised me that they would not change anything.
I suggest you check the complete plumbing and see that your car confirms. During LPG / CNG fitting, somebody would have done all nonsensical things which will make your life miserable now.
As far as the Mikunin carburettor is concerned, I suggest you open it and overhaul it completely. Prolonged period of non use ruins the internals. All parts for Mikuni are available. Please use Zen / Esteem venturis as they come as close to the original ones as possible.
Best regards,
Behram Dhabhar |