[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by NaveenKBorra

I dont really see much of a difference from Bolt vs Vista face. Again this is my opinion.

Pillar painted as Pyramid does not make it a pyramid

See the BOLT and VISTA face side by side

Bumper - different
Fog lamps - different
Grill - different
Bonnet - different
Head lamps - different
Wing mirrors - different
bumper grill design - different

I DO NOT see a single common parts between these two designs, except the fact that both pyramid and pillar are painted in RED.

[aditya79india]

Add to that engine different, ride & handling different interior upholstery and feature set different. There's enough to differentiate the pillar and the pyramid.

[1100D]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

See the BOLT and VISTA face side by side

Bumper - different
Fog lamps - different
Grill - different
Bonnet - different
Head lamps - different
Wing mirrors - different
bumper grill design - different

I DO NOT see a single common parts between these two designs, except the fact that both pyramid and pillar are painted in RED.

Is the Windshield different?!

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by 1100D

Is the Windshield different?!

On a serious note

location of washer spray and windshield plastics are also different in two cars

[Dr.Suraj]

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry!

I sometimes sincerely pity the engineers at TML. They could turn the world upside down and people would still be - "d-uh we could have just stood on our head for that - why engineer it"

Sometimes reminds of the rants by Apple fanboys v/s Androids - but in the reverse context.

When foreign brands introduce platform sharing (they actually have the audacity to sell the SAME car in different clohing) - it's a phenomenon worldwide - when TML does it - "ha it's still an Indica" even though everything can be different from the ground up.

On another thread GrammarNazi has mentioned that the fact that the SAME steering (admittedly a good one) will be used in Zest, Bolt, Nano, Storme & Kite/Glade/Glide - which lead to better QC and minimal vendors.
Now that is INDEED a step in the right direction.

Slightly

But this 1 comment here really made my day: (The last comment especially)


Back to topic:

Any further news on the engine options?
1.0L Revotron?
&
....
Diesel?

Safe to assume atleast 1 variant will have AT ?
Top-end will have touchscreen?
Price-range: 3.7 to 6?

[davids4x4mm550]

Spotted in Pune near hinjewadi. Looks pretty good.

[1100D]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

On a serious note

location of washer spray and windshield plastics are also different in two cars

My question was actually on a serious note. There are Hard points in the structure of a car and there are soft points. If two cars share same "internal car" the peripherals attached to each car would have to be restricted to the Hard points. Each one of the components listed as all-new - Bumper, Bonnet,Headlights etc,if seen closely, share the same hard points. The changes are superficial. However, for the windshield, restricted by the extremeties of the A pillar, the roofline and the firewall top, would have to be carried over. Hence my question on the windshield.

[vivekgk]

The Hyundai i10 uses the same underpinnings as the Santro. Same engine and suspension, but bodyshell is different. In the bolt, body shell is same, but every panel is different. The thing to consider here is that the Vista was a good modern platform to begin with. It only needed updated styling.

The Bolt looks so much better compared to the Vista. It's lines are sharper, spirit and modern. And it looks significantly different from every angle. It's not as if they're playing around with an outdated, body shape like the original indica or the Logan, is it?

Anyway, we are getting sidetracked. The fact is, the Kite seems to be really an all new car, in and out.

Tata's latest designs seem to be genuine efforts to distance themselves from the old roots. Bolt, Zest and the Hexa concept look vastly different from the old "Ratan tata design language" as I like to call it.

Considering that, to say at this point that the Kite would surely end up looking like the Indica demonstrates ignorance at best and spitefulness even, towards Tata as a manufacturer.

Is it my imagination that it seems to be the same comments by the same people in every new thread involving Tata cars? As soon as some news about any tata vehicle comes out, three seem to be purple waiting readily with pictures of old indicas being pushed, ready to lash out and dismiss everything.

[asit.kulkarni93]

When I saw the car in Pune, I first thought it was the facelift ford figo. In no way was it similar to the indica/ vista. And I really can not see any make up on the car. It is just camouflaged and we being enthusiasts can easily get a rough idea as to how the car looks. As far as I can figure out it looks good. Totally different from the usual Tata's.

Asit

[prakash_ajp]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

I DO NOT see a single common parts between these two designs, except the fact that both pyramid and pillar are painted in RED.

May be it's the sum, not the parts that is making the cars look similar. Thanks to your side-by-side pictures, I see that the overall shape and stance of the cars are unmistakeably similar. You can probably call it an elaborate facelift, but difficult to believe it as a whole new car.

[condor]

May have been posted earlier.


Pic Source - as per watermark.

[Dr.Suraj]

Originally Posted by vivekgk

Considering that, to say at this point that the Kite would surely end up looking like the Indica demonstrates ignorance at best and spitefulness even, towards Tata as a manufacturer.

Is it my imagination that it seems to be the same comments by the same people in every new thread involving Tata cars? As soon as some news about any tata vehicle comes out, three seem to be purple waiting readily with pictures of old indicas being pushed, ready to lash out and dismiss everything.

That sir is an astute observation !

A hat-tip to you for that tip!

[Dieseltuned]

Originally Posted by condor

May have been posted earlier.
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Pic Source - as per watermark.

looks awesome. a bit of cross between Bolt & Brio. The front is very Bolt/Zest while the side profile is Brio.

Nevertheless looks great, lets see what it has to offer in features and at what price range

Regards
Dieseltuned

[Steeroid]

Originally Posted by Dr.Suraj

When foreign brands introduce platform sharing (they actually have the audacity to sell the SAME car in different clohing) - it's a phenomenon worldwide - when TML does it - "ha it's still an Indica" even though everything can be different from the ground up.

That is true. People seem to have no issues with things like the Ruster and the Dodgy even though they're based on pretty much the same platform as a Romanian Logan, and feature the same engine.

Either we have really high expectations of our home manufacturers and wish them to be best in class, or still nurse the colonial hangover to judge the white boys by a different set of rules.

[Dr.Suraj]

Originally Posted by Dieseltuned

looks awesome. a bit of cross between Bolt & Brio. The front is very Bolt/Zest while the side profile is Brio.

Bang on - on the front. But I feel back is really on the lines of original i20 - which was a good one. Definitely better than what we are used to seeing with either of the T badges.

Originally Posted by Steeroid

Either we have really high expectations of our home manufacturers and wish them to be best in class, or still nurse the colonial hangover to judge the white boys by a different set of rules.

Could not have put it any other words.

We want the home products to be BEST in class and engineering, yet be the CHEAPEST amongst them all - not willing to pay even a small premium because - hey home brands aren't premium - YET - at the same time they should not label it or market it as CHEAPEST !

It's like Catch 44 or is it 66?

The colonial hangover is in our DNA. I don't think even a 100 years later that's going to change. And it applies to every industry - every walk of life.