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The Indian spec Baleno and i20 would score 3 stars at best. The Altroz is pipped to gain a 5 star safety rating. Now if Tata is stupid enough to not get it crash tested at the earliest and market the hell out if, it's their issue. If Maruti gives more features, then safety is compromised. Hyundai gives more features but they charge more, and they aren't Volvo wrt safety. What Tata does, is slot in between. There's no master of all product in the market. You have to make compromises with every product. This whole argument that Tata should provide more features because they screwed up their brand image is as illogical as demanding Maruti to provide 6 airbags in their lower variants because they have been churning out tin cans. What Tata needs to do is step up the reliability and the sales and service experience. Most of their cars are 85-90% there, just need to to round off the edges. | |
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Secondly, mind telling me what features is it lacking exactly? We all know where exactly Maruti makes compromises to make up for all their feature loading. It has all the basic features, that you'd expect - auto ac, android auto and the like, and over the i20 and Baleno, it has auto headlamps and auto wipers both, cruise control, 90 degree doors, and specifically over the Baleno, it has good build quality. Next gen i20 will be feature loaded obviously and it'll be pricey as well, hyundai doesn't compromise as much on build quality to accomodate features like Maruti but then they price their cars accordingly as well. Top end elite i20 is about 10 lacs in some cities, and this for a hatchback. Next gen i20 will easily be 10 lacs or even more than that on road. If you see a fully loaded Altroz with a price tag of about 10-10.5 lacs, first thing you'd say is it's overpriced. It's like a never ending cycle, because it's Tata, they're expected to price their cars dirt cheap and then provide a hundred segment first features. Last edited by SaiSW : 4th January 2020 at 11:55. | |
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| ![]() TATA’s 45X concept model was displayed in auto expo 2018, had they launched as per initial plan around August/September 2019 things could have been different. I personally feel they are very late to the premium hatchback segment. I really hope this car is a success for TATA for all the efforts they are taking. |
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Well and just about the pricing, their latest offering the Harrier is not priced so well & is also one of reasons it bombed (or is on the verge of it). P. S.: Again, no offence to the TATA vehicle owners or the brand please. ![]() Note from Support: Please do no quote full-length posts when responding. It hampers readability for mobile users. Last edited by Chetan_Rao : 4th January 2020 at 14:31. Reason: Trimmed quote. | |
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| ![]() I'm excited for an Altroz diesel JTP. The 110 bhp diesel from the Nexon, maybe tuned for 5 or so more horsepower, a torque output of 260+nm and you have a car that'll set the highways on fire. That much torque on such a light car will be fantastic, just to remember the heavier creta which is several segments above, has the same torque figure. Yes a turbo petrol with dual clutch will be even more exciting, because of the inherent characteristics of a turboP, like holding the revs etc. but the important point is a BS6 turbo diesel jtp Altroz will make it more accessible to the customers, since it's guarented it'll always return double digit FE numbers. |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() @TROOPER @SaiSW you guys have written what i wanted to write, i'm fed up of people nitpicking on TATA, instead of appreciating their cars which have superior build quality and good riding dynamics and all around good features, all people see are flaws, which aren't there in the first place! I am still searching for the features which the Altroz lack as compared to the segment, but maybe there must some hidden ones which maruti/Hyundai is having only visible to their customers, maybe like platform 9 3/4 ![]() Instead of looking at the half empty glass, people should look at the half full one(which is like 90% full by the way) , look at what we are getting instead of what's missing , for a change search for the extra features Altroz or TATA products are having . Just my thoughts, people are free to buy whatever they want ![]() |
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![]() If it is Maruti, let's ignore the build quality for it comes with a Maruti tag which is synonymous with many things positive. If it is a Toyota, let us ignore the high premium they charge and lesser features they offer for the asking price because it gives us reliability. Hyundai, oh it gives us many features and good interiors, let us ignore other shortcomings if any. MG Hector, since SAIC owns MG, Baojun 530 becomes an MG car by just pasting MG badge. Let us ignore the fact that it doesn't have any of the attributes of MG brand and accept it because it offers boat loads of features coupled with real estate at a competitive price. Toyota owns Lexus, so can a regular Toyota car become a Lexus by just pasting a Lexus badge without giving anything associated with Lexus?Will anyone accept that? There is enough differentiation between Lexus ES 350 and Toyota Camry, but what does Hector had over Baojun 530 to justify MG badge? Though it is legally okay, it is clear case of manipulation. Coming to Tata, let us ignore the luxurious ride quality, good build, and VFM pricing, and just look at what Tata is not offering? This is showing us the power of impressions and more so of first impressions. First impressions are so strong that they will not let you acknowledge the current changes and improvements/deteriorations. Last edited by wheelguy : 5th January 2020 at 11:55. | |
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My 2 cents on this topic. Not all customers have the moolah for topmost variant. Many end up buying mid variant or one-below top variant in this segment. And most of the loaded-to-gills features are typically available only in topmost variant. (In Elite i20 for instance, adjustable rear headrests are available only in Dual-tone Sportz and Asta; Rear wash/wiper is available only in Asta and so on) Imagine, now Altroz with its supposed USPs: Good build quality, Safety, 90 deg opening doors, good ride quality and handling, steering with nice feedback (all based on recent cars launched from Tata since Bolt/Zest) - all of these are likely to be available from base variant since they are likely to be common in all variants. Now, for a typical customer (hopefully one who has an open mind towards choice of brand) isn't that a wonderful thing to have? | |||
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| ![]() Waiting for Mods to ask you all to stick to the threads topic ! |
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So, i have even higher expectations and confidence in Altroz now. Last edited by 46TheDoctor : 5th January 2020 at 14:07. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Heard from a very reliable birdie inside, that the sales team trainings have started at the Tata plant. Sales teams from dealers have started visiting the plant for 2-3 days of inside out product & sales training. I hope this training is better than whatever has been happening for previous products. |
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Not sure why dealers are not given some mandates like education qualifications for a Sales representative or certain kind of expertise or training certificates to be undergone. After all they are the one who can win or break a deal impacting the bottom line of the business. My observation is strictly from experience with dealers in Mumbai and Pune. May be better or worse in other parts of the country. | |
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The sales guys are only interested in knowing what add-ons they can sell to a customer to win incentives. Not knowing MORE about the car to impress the customer. I have had identical experiences in multiple brands from Mahindra to Hyundai in Pune. | |
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| ![]() True whatever you have mentioned. But if I had to rate the sales staff of different brands then Tata and Mahindra would come last. Look at the way MS has decked up their sales strategy by selling same cars under a different brand 'Nexa' where you see sales guys in good uniform and tabs. They may not be well educated but first impressions are good. Whereas in Tata and Mahindra, most struggle to speak well with customers, leaving aside the product knowledge. Tata is making everything better with their products, if they have some dedicated efforts in improving their customer facing resources then you may never know they may just outdo MS. |
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![]() Altroz and Nexon EV training | |
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