Indian Car Sales Figures and Analysis

rangaraj · 9th January 2008, 10:57

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

I have posted SIAM's figures for Jan 2005-Dec 2007 here:
vasudeva - DOMESTIC SALES

7. laura/Superb sharply up. What's up.

The Laura Ambient was introduced end Oct and with one month of selling the numbers must have kicked in Dec. Just goes to show the importance of price point..It should tell the management, that they should reconsider their pricing (including spares and A.S.S) and they can be a real force in India, especially with the other vendors not having good diesel options..

appuchan · 9th January 2008, 13:06

Chart looks interesting for midsize car sales..

vnabhi · 9th January 2008, 13:25

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Originally Posted by SkyWalker

Hyndai sold just 986 verna's+accents? That looks like a disaster! Or is it (1/2)986?

That looks like 986 to me. They've also sold 0 Elantras and 28 Sonata Emberas.
What's happening to Hyundai? Anyways, Dec is always a lean month.

RakishRam · 9th January 2008, 16:40

vasudeva, did I read that correctly? Only 14 3Series sold by BMW in December

vasudeva · 10th January 2008, 17:32

Some more interesting facts about Dec 2007:
1. Elantra was not produced in 2007, so it has taken Hyundai 11 months to finally clear off its stock.
2. Grand Vitara sold a grand total of 15 in 12/07.
3. Skoda Fabia sales in 12/07?. Who bought it?. I know people say it would have gone to dealers, but is that the correct way to report sales or when actual users buy it. Looks like GM's practice to me, and makes us doubt entire Skoda's numbers, especially the sharp rise in Laura and Octavia numbers. Dealer sales does not equal actual sales, as the Detroit 3 will tell you.
4. Verna+Accent only 986 in 12/07, which is up from 942 in 12/06 (comparable months).
5. The largest car seller is still Maruti, followed by Hyundai, Tata, M&M, Honda, GM, Toyota, and Ford. I read GM bragging that they have overtaken Toyota.
6. Fiesta dead or declining? It declined sharply in 11/07 and is going down now.
5. Yes, only 14 BMW 3 series sold in 12/07.

GTO · 10th January 2008, 17:47

Man, what a totally unpredictable month. There are just too many unanswered questions after looking at the December numbers.

1. It is obvious that Skoda is including Fabia dealership despatches as a sale. Agreed with Vasudeva.

2. 800 sales up by 27%. The biggest gain for a hatch. What gives?

3. Big blow to Hyundai with Verna / Accent sales down by a whopping 64% compared to November!

4. Logan sales lowest yet, at 1504 cars. On the other hand, a 3.6% monthly decline is the lowest in the segment.

5. Whatever happened to BMW! The 3 series has fallen flat with a 90% fall in sales....from a 109 cars to only 14. Any news of a delivery problem, or is this the effect of the new C Class? I presume its the former (or some other BMW specific problem). On the other hand, BMW 5 series sales are double!

7. CRV crashes from 264 to 64 cars only!

8. Skoda Superb, from 36 to 152?

9. X5 (or X3) is in demand! Second best-selling car for BMW with 55 sold in a month.

vasudeva · 12th January 2008, 12:27

Going thru 12/07 and 11/07 production, some interesting `observations':
1. No Petra production during 4/07-12/07, so old Petro stock being sold: Petra sold 2 in 12/07.
2. GM is clearing old Aveo stock. Prodn of 644 and 486 in 11/07 and 12/07. Sales of 576 and 601 in 11/07.
3. Hyundai Accet/Verna prodn of 3645 in 12/07, but sales of 986 in 12/07. Exports of 1131 in 12/07. Does that mean substantial old year 2007 stock with dealers. Can potential buyers bargain for huge discounts if they want these models.
4. Something going on with GM Optra. Prodn down from 964 in 11/07 to 109 in 12/07. Sales up from 557 to 822. Overall prodn during Apr-Dec of 5328 but sales of 4771.
5. Toyota Corolla prodn less than sales in 11/07 and 12/07. Does that mean little 2007 stock wiht dealers/company (last year I got extra 50K for buying a 2006 production in 3/07). Apr-Dec prodn is 4530 but sales of 4539. Same is the story with Civic. Apr-Dec prodn 12847, sales 11885. No wonder Toyota and Honda are profitable worldwide. Match prodn with anticipated sales.
6. Old 2007 stock of Fusion/Fiesta with dealers not likely: Production of 2479 and 1321 in 11/07 and 12/07. Sales including exports of 2154 and 2004.
7. Hyundai is liquidating a lot of old Sonata stock: Prodn of 14 and 10 in 11/07 and 12/07, but sales of 34 and 28.
8. For higher end cars like Merc, BMW, difficult to come to any conclusion since they might be imported/CBUs.
9. Old Logan production being liquidated. M&M clearly overstated demand.

diabloo · 13th January 2008, 10:44

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But a discount offered by a Skoda showroom employee takes the cake. When asked about existing offers on last year’s models, she replied, “Sir, have you seen the new car launched by Skoda? It is called the Fabia.” But do you have a 2007 model? “Just a second sir, I think we have. Let me just check.” So, when carmakers and dealers are so willing, why wait? Bite the bait! You might just find yourself behind the steering wheel of a nice car and grinning all the way to the bank.

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

3. Skoda Fabia sales in 12/07?. Who bought it?. I know people say it would have gone to dealers, but is that the correct way to report sales or when actual users buy it. Looks like GM's practice to me, and makes us doubt entire Skoda's numbers, especially the sharp rise in Laura and Octavia numbers. Dealer sales does not equal actual sales, as the Detroit 3 will tell you.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 14th January 2008, 14:59

Autocar India January edition has these figures-

1. Maruti Suzuki Alto- 22,784
2. Maruti Suzuki WagonR- 11,815
3. TATA Indica- 10,488

4. Hyundai Santro- 7,821
5. Maruti Suzuki Swift- 7,321
6. Hyundai i10- 7,300

7. Maruti Suzuki Omni- 7,241
8. Maruti Suzuki Zen Estilo- 5,721
9. Maruti Suzuki 800- 5,653
10. Mahindra Bolero- 4,762

Interestingly-

i10 sales has pulled down Santro. Rest remains almost unaffected.
i10 can now be considered a sucess.
SX4 sold 3135 units compared to 2468 city. City remains beaten.
Logan sold 1560 units while fiesta sold an even lesser 1475 units only. Verna is even below that mark. Wonder whats happening to mid-size diesel segment!

diabloo · 14th January 2008, 15:09

Old story. NHC figures are that of Nov 2007.

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

SX4 sold 3135 units compared to 2468 city. City remains beaten.

neoonwheels · 14th January 2008, 16:26

Seems hyndai i10 has got a bigger share of Santro itself than any other car...

Surprise · 14th January 2008, 16:40

Does anyone has the sale details of SX4 and NHC for the past six months (with source)

appuchan · 14th January 2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Surprise

Does anyone has the sale details of SX4 and NHC for the past six months (with source)

Blue and purple lines in my chart posted earlier should give you a picture, though in case of Maruti it includes both SX4 and Esteem. However the fact remains that, since the launch of SX4, Maruti has been consistently ahead of Honda.

benbsb29 · 17th January 2008, 14:12

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Logan sold 1560 units while fiesta sold an even lesser 1475 units only. Verna is even below that mark. Wonder whats happening to mid-size diesel segment!

The year end is generally a dull period, and so i would assume sales and purchases are low. I had been to the Cauvery Ford showroom last Sunday, and the usually busy showroom was empty, and many of their staff as well were on leave. When i asked about the same, was told that the fresh batch of cars for 2008 havent arrived, and so they arent pushing sales now. Notably, the showroom didnt have even a single Fusion or Ikon on display.

hrman · 2nd February 2008, 13:29

Hyundai, GM, Honda clock 30-50% growth, Maruti up 4% in Jan 08.

Hyundai recorded 41% growth over Jan 07 mainly due to the launch of i10.
GM recorded 46% over last year.
Skoda up 50%, Fabia sells 1432 units since launch in Dec 07.
Honda records 29% growth. NHC: 5901, Civic: 1651, Accord: 46, CRV: 269 in Jan 08.

9th January 2008, 13:06	#677
appuchan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangy Posts: 642 Thanked: 27 Times	Chart looks interesting for midsize car sales..
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9th January 2008, 16:40	#679
RakishRam BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kollam/Bangalor Posts: 320 Thanked: 194 Times View My Garage	vasudeva, did I read that correctly? Only 14 3Series sold by BMW in December
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10th January 2008, 17:32	#680
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	Some more interesting facts about Dec 2007: 1. Elantra was not produced in 2007, so it has taken Hyundai 11 months to finally clear off its stock. 2. Grand Vitara sold a grand total of 15 in 12/07. 3. Skoda Fabia sales in 12/07?. Who bought it?. I know people say it would have gone to dealers, but is that the correct way to report sales or when actual users buy it. Looks like GM's practice to me, and makes us doubt entire Skoda's numbers, especially the sharp rise in Laura and Octavia numbers. Dealer sales does not equal actual sales, as the Detroit 3 will tell you. 4. Verna+Accent only 986 in 12/07, which is up from 942 in 12/06 (comparable months). 5. The largest car seller is still Maruti, followed by Hyundai, Tata, M&M, Honda, GM, Toyota, and Ford. I read GM bragging that they have overtaken Toyota. 6. Fiesta dead or declining? It declined sharply in 11/07 and is going down now. 5. Yes, only 14 BMW 3 series sold in 12/07.
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10th January 2008, 17:47	#681
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,546 Thanked: 300,788 Times View My Garage	Man, what a totally unpredictable month. There are just too many unanswered questions after looking at the December numbers. 1. It is obvious that Skoda is including Fabia dealership despatches as a sale. Agreed with Vasudeva. 2. 800 sales up by 27%. The biggest gain for a hatch. What gives? 3. Big blow to Hyundai with Verna / Accent sales down by a whopping 64% compared to November! 4. Logan sales lowest yet, at 1504 cars. On the other hand, a 3.6% monthly decline is the lowest in the segment. 5. Whatever happened to BMW! The 3 series has fallen flat with a 90% fall in sales....from a 109 cars to only 14. Any news of a delivery problem, or is this the effect of the new C Class? I presume its the former (or some other BMW specific problem). On the other hand, BMW 5 series sales are double! 7. CRV crashes from 264 to 64 cars only! 8. Skoda Superb, from 36 to 152? 9. X5 (or X3) is in demand! Second best-selling car for BMW with 55 sold in a month.
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12th January 2008, 12:27	#682
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	Going thru 12/07 and 11/07 production, some interesting `observations': 1. No Petra production during 4/07-12/07, so old Petro stock being sold: Petra sold 2 in 12/07. 2. GM is clearing old Aveo stock. Prodn of 644 and 486 in 11/07 and 12/07. Sales of 576 and 601 in 11/07. 3. Hyundai Accet/Verna prodn of 3645 in 12/07, but sales of 986 in 12/07. Exports of 1131 in 12/07. Does that mean substantial old year 2007 stock with dealers. Can potential buyers bargain for huge discounts if they want these models. 4. Something going on with GM Optra. Prodn down from 964 in 11/07 to 109 in 12/07. Sales up from 557 to 822. Overall prodn during Apr-Dec of 5328 but sales of 4771. 5. Toyota Corolla prodn less than sales in 11/07 and 12/07. Does that mean little 2007 stock wiht dealers/company (last year I got extra 50K for buying a 2006 production in 3/07). Apr-Dec prodn is 4530 but sales of 4539. Same is the story with Civic. Apr-Dec prodn 12847, sales 11885. No wonder Toyota and Honda are profitable worldwide. Match prodn with anticipated sales. 6. Old 2007 stock of Fusion/Fiesta with dealers not likely: Production of 2479 and 1321 in 11/07 and 12/07. Sales including exports of 2154 and 2004. 7. Hyundai is liquidating a lot of old Sonata stock: Prodn of 14 and 10 in 11/07 and 12/07, but sales of 34 and 28. 8. For higher end cars like Merc, BMW, difficult to come to any conclusion since they might be imported/CBUs. 9. Old Logan production being liquidated. M&M clearly overstated demand.
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14th January 2008, 14:59	#684
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,181 Thanked: 73,511 Times View My Garage	i10 joins the party. City under pressure! Autocar India January edition has these figures- 1. Maruti Suzuki Alto- 22,784 2. Maruti Suzuki WagonR- 11,815 3. TATA Indica- 10,488 4. Hyundai Santro- 7,821 5. Maruti Suzuki Swift- 7,321 6. Hyundai i10- 7,300 7. Maruti Suzuki Omni- 7,241 8. Maruti Suzuki Zen Estilo- 5,721 9. Maruti Suzuki 800- 5,653 10. Mahindra Bolero- 4,762 Interestingly- i10 sales has pulled down Santro. Rest remains almost unaffected. i10 can now be considered a sucess. SX4 sold 3135 units compared to 2468 city. City remains beaten. Logan sold 1560 units while fiesta sold an even lesser 1475 units only. Verna is even below that mark. Wonder whats happening to mid-size diesel segment!
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14th January 2008, 16:26	#686
neoonwheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 2,065 Thanked: 1,877 Times View My Garage	Seems hyndai i10 has got a bigger share of Santro itself than any other car...
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14th January 2008, 16:40	#687
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,523 Thanked: 454 Times	Does anyone has the sale details of SX4 and NHC for the past six months (with source)
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2nd February 2008, 13:29	#690
hrman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,128 Thanked: 1,015 Times	Hyundai, GM, Honda clock 30-50% growth, Maruti up 4% in Jan 08. Hyundai recorded 41% growth over Jan 07 mainly due to the launch of i10. GM recorded 46% over last year. Skoda up 50%, Fabia sells 1432 units since launch in Dec 07. Honda records 29% growth. NHC: 5901, Civic: 1651, Accord: 46, CRV: 269 in Jan 08.
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